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Natas Dog
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.20 19:57:00 -
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Edited by: Natas Dog on 20/12/2007 19:58:41
Just to touch on the 'volatile member count' subject, since someone already mentioned but didn't explain; Goonfleet purges inactive members at regular intervals. I'm not in charge of it, but I believe every 30 days we purge any accounts that haven't bothered to log into the game for over a set period of time (1 month I think, I'm not about to dig up the original announcement). All members that get purged lose their access to 'opsec' areas of our forums and get put into a 'vacationers' group which has access to our general BS and gaming forums. If anyone comes back after being purged they get re-added to the corporation, hence the climb in member count after each purge interval.
I'm not so sure BoB has such a mechanism in place to clear their membership of inactive members, and therefore their member count may not wholly represent the number of active pilots in their alliance. As such, I wouldn't read too much into their member count since it's really not in their best interest to purge inactives, as people rely so heavily on the outpost alert site to get a clear picture of how an alliance is faring in this great war. The only time you're likely to see a significant drop in their membership is when a corporation cedes from the alliance at the onset of a failure cascade.
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touchvill
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.20 20:01:00 -
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We have pretty much stayed away from the war since we decided to move away from the coalition attacks (back in March) and focus on personal development. We have done that and we are trying not to get involved in it because as much as it is cool smashing alliances up etc. I feel the scale of which it is taken to is beyond.
Battles won/lost are a lot to do with who gets the favourable hand with lag when 500+ are in system.
Though I am sure we would not completely rule out fighting for one side or another. I am sure a large isk fee would be needed though to make it worth our while because we are having fun without getting involved.
To be honest I don't see why anyone would want/need us to fight with them anyway.
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Louis Lane
Minmatar
Imperium Holding corp
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Posted - 2007.12.20 20:09:00 -
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 Originally by: waferzankko
Epic bob alt propaganda
there fixed it for you!
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.20 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Pesadel0
Originally by: Snowden Vel
Originally by: Re Mi
2. Bob has not lost membership, and its sovereignty has stabilized. It has yet to be shown that Bob has lost any real combat power.
They've kept their numbers stable by hoovering up the membership of their failed pets, which is why so many of the pets have completely collapsed. These days it's not uncommon to see pilots in BoB who were very recently in alliances like RISE, EXE, and CORM. Slapping a [BOB] tag on these people doesn't remedy their ineptitude.
This comming from a warrior samurai pvp god goon is priceless.
This coming from a guy who makes a point of posting his shuttle kills is priceless.
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Laura Baretta
Minmatar
Cult of the Skulls
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Posted - 2007.12.20 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Elder Bob
It is, of course, completely true that Goons can't deal with losing battles. I understand we collapse at the first sign of hardship.
Anyway, history has proven that if we lose Omist, the entire alliance falls apart. Right guys?
You can't deny the fact that Goon participation was at an all time low when BoB stood in Omist. The Titan nerf was the point when goons came back and saw their chances increase. Up until that point you could hardly spot goons on CAOD either.
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Elder Bob
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.20 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Laura Baretta
Originally by: Elder Bob
It is, of course, completely true that Goons can't deal with losing battles. I understand we collapse at the first sign of hardship.
Anyway, history has proven that if we lose Omist, the entire alliance falls apart. Right guys?
You can't deny the fact that Goon participation was at an all time low when BoB stood in Omist. The Titan nerf was the point when goons came back and saw their chances increase. Up until that point you could hardly spot goons on CAOD either.
Participation was definitely an at all time low then, but we were on the way back before the titan nerf. We retook XGH, and were already making progress in 9-9 before the titan nerf was deployed. However, there was a huge difference between how we reacted to the loss and how most other alliances do. In every other alliance I've seen fall, players have become disillusioned with their losses, they stopped coming on ops and the majority left the alliance. In our case, players because disillusioned, stopped coming on ops and left the game. This meant that as soon as we came out of our leadership crisis (Sesfan is #1) and the rallying call went up, they instantly came back, while in most other alliances, they'd be cowering in Empire by that point. Overall, Goonswarm survived losing Omist completely in tact.
The turning point of BoB's Tenerifis invasion wasn't the titan nerf; it was Sesfan taking control of Goonswarm, ending the leadership crisis we'd been in since Remedial went absent. Not saying the titan nerf didn't help - that's probably been the single largest aid to our war effort.
As for our CAOD presence, weren't we still in directorate controlled posting then? If they're allowed to, Goons will post on forums (whether we're winning or not), because our alliance is a forum community. Even when we were routing LV, there was no posting by the general GF membership - we simply weren't allowed to.
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