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Iznogud
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Posted - 2004.03.16 00:16:00 -
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why are 80% of people who post here so full of hate is it cause your wife wount sleep with ya or are them other kids in school teasing you maybe your friend is getting all them hot chicks ?
well it is a game and should be no need for hate there is enough hate in real world and if you have doubts then read your daddy¦s newspaper and you will see
i hope that our war will be fun as planned thoe you all atm inclusive my own alliance drag it into hate how come i see people who have NOTHING to do with the war sticking their phat alcoholic nose into something that dont concern them
try play with people who are equal and bring that hate back to them who make you hate ( and if its EVE that do GO SEE YOUR DOCTOR)
my 2cp
Izno~ http://www.shinra.com/ Shinra Republic Artillery-round deliver Izno~
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2004.03.16 00:42:00 -
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I hate you.
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Durandal
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Posted - 2004.03.16 00:46:00 -
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I think you are way over in your estimate of 80%. IMO its probably below 10%. Maybe even 0% as any serious hate posts are moderated.
I think you have got to read most of the posts with a 'pinch of salt'. For many, taunting the enemy on the forums is just another aspect of the game, and can be fun. What may be perceived as 'hate' is really just an attempt to rattle the enemy, which can have real effects when you meet them on the battlefield .
Add to this the propaganda from alliances, and the 'counter-propaganda' from their enemeies ridiculing them and it can be easy to misinterpret the motive behind a post/thread. Of course there are instances where people get carried away or don't realise that others aren't serious in what they say, but these cases are in the minority.
So don't worry about the community, there is really a lot of love here . Kick back and have a good laugh at the forum would be my advice.
PS Die CA scum, you n00bs
"Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right!"
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Iznogud
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Posted - 2004.03.16 00:57:00 -
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Quote: I hate you.
<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3 /purr http://www.shinra.com/ Shinra Republic Artillery-round deliver Izno~
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Darkwolf
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Posted - 2004.03.16 01:28:00 -
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Simple.
Because the ones who are full of hate post the most. Thus they are the most visible.
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zeroh
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Posted - 2004.03.16 01:48:00 -
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i hate u too 
http://www.botoxbandits.net/evekill/index.php
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.03.16 01:56:00 -
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Wrong.
The issue is IC vs OOC. IC "hate" is fine because it is portrayed though the mask on an IC character and the OOC ego is protected. OOC hate is bad because it is direct rl hate directed against the player not the character.
Hence Roleplay is "good" because it promotes IC emotions and healthy make-believe "hate" whereas non-roleplay is "bad" because it leaves players hating players and creating bad feelings.
How do you tell the difference?
Look for decent writing and stylised langauge and a sense of objectivity (meaning that the personna is not getting seriously ruffled ooc by the ic debate).
If its simply rl abuse and disrespectful language then its ooc hate and the guy needs to be taught about lets pretend because he clearly didn't learn enough in infant school.
Hope this helps
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TIvian
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Posted - 2004.03.16 02:56:00 -
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Quote:
Wrong.
The issue is IC vs OOC. IC "hate" is fine because it is portrayed though the mask on an IC character and the OOC ego is protected. OOC hate is bad because it is direct rl hate directed against the player not the character.
Hence Roleplay is "good" because it promotes IC emotions and healthy make-believe "hate" whereas non-roleplay is "bad" because it leaves players hating players and creating bad feelings.
How do you tell the difference?
Look for decent writing and stylised langauge and a sense of objectivity (meaning that the personna is not getting seriously ruffled ooc by the ic debate).
If its simply rl abuse and disrespectful language then its ooc hate and the guy needs to be taught about lets pretend because he clearly didn't learn enough in infant school.
Hope this helps
in my head and I feel the need to ******KIIIIIILLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote: I hate you.
And then there is my bro Shamis. ROFLOLNMPIMP!!! OMFG!! that was too funny!
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.03.16 04:24:00 -
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Case in point Tivian, you are too het up with strange ooc passions and have lost your sense of perspective. Calm down, listen to whale music and try a herbal bath. It might do you good.
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Sourpuss Maximus
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Posted - 2004.03.16 04:41:00 -
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Quote:
Case in point Tivian, you are too het up with strange ooc passions and have lost your sense of perspective. Calm down, listen to whale music and try a herbal bath. It might do you good.
Hi Jade Go Away Jade, You Bore Everyone
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.03.16 04:52:00 -
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Quote:
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Case in point Tivian, you are too het up with strange ooc passions and have lost your sense of perspective. Calm down, listen to whale music and try a herbal bath. It might do you good.
Hi Jade Go Away Jade, You Bore Everyone
Whereas you are completely respected for the integrity and courage you display by posting with your main .... umm wait a minute ... thats not quite right ;)
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Sourpuss Maximus
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Posted - 2004.03.16 05:03:00 -
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Whereas you are completely respected for the integrity and courage you display by posting with your main .... umm wait a minute ... thats not quite right ;)
This is my main. I have been following the forums for several months before deciding to start playing. So when I finally bought an account I jumped right in.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.03.16 05:06:00 -
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Quote:
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Whereas you are completely respected for the integrity and courage you display by posting with your main .... umm wait a minute ... thats not quite right ;)
This is my main. I have been following the forums for several months before deciding to start playing. So when I finally bought an account I jumped right in.
Sorry chum, I don't believe you. Your attitudes bespeak an ingrained and opinionated slant. Most genuine new players take an effort to learn the community and the game world before kicking off with hate and slander. You seem to have inherited your views from quite a different entity.
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Marichek
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Posted - 2004.03.16 05:12:00 -
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Everybody listen to Jade! She can never be proven wrong because she is always right! Whatever snyde remark she comes up with is the truth and should not questioned what-so-ever!
Disclaimer: This is not a hateful post, rather, an informative one that will hopefully show all of you "numpty muppets" the truth!
/sarcasm
I give this 2 more posts before this is locked. Why even bother starting threads like this? You flamed your own topic, dude!
DannyThe Great > i have an urge to kill anyone who isnt in my corp and has a smaller ship. |

Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.03.16 05:22:00 -
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Quote: Everybody listen to Jade! She can never be proven wrong because she is always right! Whatever snyde remark she comes up with is the truth and should not questioned what-so-ever! Disclaimer: This is not a hateful post, rather, an informative one that will hopefully show all of you "numpty muppets" the truth! /sarcasm I give this 2 more posts before this is locked. Why even bother starting threads like this? You flamed your own topic, dude!
Marichek, why do you bother making nasty remarks about me in relation to this alt-troll? (when in the next thread down you appear to ask the muppet to shush yourself?) Isn't that a bit hypocritical?
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Propehcy
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Posted - 2004.03.16 05:35:00 -
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Since i'm already going to get banned for insulting that twit discordia, might as keep on the role.
Constantine, I hate you for the sole and pure reason that I find your posts annoying and pompous, whether they are or not to anyone else is up for debate, as i'm sure you will. You seem very arogant to me. Thus, annoying. Also, you seem to think, that you're somehow more important that everyone else on these forums. That your opinions some how matters? Umm, you matter less because you've been flapping your gums for months, and for what? So give smug looks to yourself in the mirror when you think of all the times you've so "wittfully" hammerd other people on a forum?
I seem to remember Halseth challanging you to an ACTUAL Debate, none of the forum editing, word technicalities you thrive on. I also remember you declining. Why's that constantine? Can't think fast enough for a debate? you have to rely on you gigbytes of text logs for fuel for fires? You can't just.. Think? If you hadn't have written so many bloody essay's I might have not cared enough to post something like this. But since you did, and continue to post such garbage nonsense on here (the only one of the official boards I read, because it occationally has useful info), i've felt obligated to insult you, and let you know that theres one more person that hates you.
Have a good day, and fly into the sun. :)
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The Prop And Notferr Chronicles
Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence! Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is. Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing! Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud.
Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr...
[ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE. |

Propehcy
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Posted - 2004.03.16 05:36:00 -
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Note:
GJ stetching out the forum Tiv 
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The Prop And Notferr Chronicles
Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence! Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is. Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing! Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud.
Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr...
[ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE. |

Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.03.16 05:58:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 16/03/2004 06:00:27 I don't "hate" anyone that I have never met. I find it a foolish emotion that controls and directs negative feelings without delivering any positive tactical benefit in planning or debate. I believe that you are wrong to give into your hate, and that you are the weaker man for doing so.
You are part of a small enough breed m'dear. Your logic is flawed, your argument is inaccurate and you have mingled spurious outpourings with irrelevent froth.
D- "must try harder"
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Propehcy
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Posted - 2004.03.16 06:22:00 -
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Once again, you talk, without saying anything.
Quote: and that you are the weaker man for doing so.
1st'ly, that would imply that you yourself are a man. 2nd, Because I give into my disdain, or hate as we've come to call it, that hardly makes me weak. If I tuna, am I also weak?
Quote: m'dear
I'm not your "dear", nor "monsieur" or w/e tf you call people now. So kindly stuff the bs 'nicks.
Quote: Your logic is flawed, your argument is inaccurate and you have mingled spurious outpourings with irrelevent froth.
To what "logic", "argument" do you refer? The part about me hating your nonsense posts? Or about you being a sputtering cow?
Quote: purious outpourings with irrelevent froth
Sorry to tell you, but just because you use a couple large words in the same sentance, it doesn't make you look smart. Makes you look pompous.
Quiet Constantine.
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The Prop And Notferr Chronicles
Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence! Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is. Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing! Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud.
Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr...
[ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE. |

Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.03.16 06:32:00 -
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Shush dear ... I think I can hear your pappa coming up the stairs, you best runalong to bed before you get grounded for the weekend.
;)
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Propehcy
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Posted - 2004.03.16 06:37:00 -
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Oh! Ahahaha! ahha! haha!.. ha.. ah.. no. That was stupid, as is most of your "wit" and garbage snappy quips at others. Stuff the bs. You'll just never be a proffentional.
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Props Chop Shop: Ships, Arms, and Armaments producer for Northern Eve! Located at Torrinos 5 - 6 - Home Guard Assembley.
The Prop And Notferr Chronicles
Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence! Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is. Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing! Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud.
Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr...
[ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE. |

Propehcy
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Posted - 2004.03.16 06:37:00 -
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Edited by: Propehcy on 16/03/2004 06:41:42 Double. hit the damn thing to many times.
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Props Chop Shop: Ships, Arms, and Armaments producer for Northern Eve! Located at Torrinos 5 - 6 - Home Guard Assembley.
The Prop And Notferr Chronicles
Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence! Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is. Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing! Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud.
Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr...
[ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE. |

Propehcy
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Posted - 2004.03.16 06:38:00 -
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Edited by: Propehcy on 16/03/2004 06:41:04 Triple Post :( ** Ex-CA Rep and Ex-CA Member **
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Props Chop Shop: Ships, Arms, and Armaments producer for Northern Eve! Located at Torrinos 5 - 6 - Home Guard Assembley.
The Prop And Notferr Chronicles
Notferr> Propehcy Owns me! Yet I feel so much Fear in his Evil Presence! Propehcy> Bow Down, You know who your Master is. Notferr> Only Prop is King!! Only Prop!! I Am nothing! Propehcy> I think Stav would be Proud.
Propehcy> I Need a Tool... Where is that Notferr...
[ 2004.09.11 28:63:98 ] Propehcy 2004.09.11 29:05:33.3 combat Your Miner II perfectly strikes Notferr, wrecking for WTFPWNAGE. |

Bambi
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Posted - 2004.03.16 08:54:00 -
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Go Prohpecy!! This is why I very rarely read these forums, 90% crap, and I dont just mean the posts.
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Miso
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Posted - 2004.03.16 08:56:00 -
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Quote: why are 80% of people who post here so full of hate
Thats very easy to answer - because 80% of people who post on these boards are idiots who are incapable of differentiating between Real and Not Real.
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Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2004.03.16 09:00:00 -
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Quote:
Quote: why are 80% of people who post here so full of hate
Thats very easy to answer - because 80% of people who post on these boards are idiots who are incapable of differentiating between Real and Not Real.
Are you saying those people are mostly normal  __________ Capacitor research |

HavokTBP
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Posted - 2004.03.16 09:09:00 -
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Is that why evol post the most?
Member of the Curse Alliance before the Corruption Leader of The Black Plague.
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Karol Kei
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Posted - 2004.03.16 09:14:00 -
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Edited by: Karol Kei on 16/03/2004 09:16:11
Quote:
Quote:
Quote: why are 80% of people who post here so full of hate
Thats very easy to answer - because 80% of people who post on these boards are idiots who are incapable of differentiating between Real and Not Real.
Are you saying those people are mostly normal 
I think being able to tell between real and not real is normal. What do you think?
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swisher
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Posted - 2004.03.16 09:18:00 -
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Edited by: swisher on 16/03/2004 09:20:10
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Shush dear ... I think I can hear your pappa coming up the stairs, you best runalong to bed before you get grounded for the weekend.
;)
I think its time for you to wake up Jade...seriously or get some needed help...for something that doesnt have a cure.
-swish
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Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2004.03.16 09:21:00 -
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Quote:
I think being able to tell between real and not real is normal. What do you think?
Nope, but I do think most people think they can tell between real and not real  __________ Capacitor research |

Karol Kei
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Posted - 2004.03.16 09:35:00 -
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Edited by: Karol Kei on 16/03/2004 09:40:29
Quote: Nope, but I do think most people think they can tell between real and not real 
Stepping away from all the flaming and word bending and "you said":ing for a moment, and being dead serious.
I think the the problem we constantly face in these forums revolves around the word "think" in your sentence. I agree with what you say as such, I just think there is a very large portion of players that are wrong in thinking they understand this.
The whole mess is all about roleplaying and not-roleplaying players colliding in mid space, over and over and over again. Being a roleplayer, if I were to insult you, that would be directed towards your character.
What non-roleplayers fail to understand - and I am sorry if this is seeing as an insult, but this is how things look from honest perspective - is that I can insult my best friends' characters in game. And they like it, if that is the situation between the characters. In such a situation we both would have agreed to play a game, and would be out to get each other's characters as characters. It's all in good fun.
You guys play basketball, football, soccer, chess, whatever with your friends? Do you let your friend get pass you, because you are friends, and even more importantly - would he appreciate it? I think not.
The problem is exactly what Miso pointed out. Some people can't comprehend roleplaying. It's a harsh thing to say, but them's the apples. There is one cure, and one cure only - they need to learn to udnerstand it. It doesn't mean that they need to start roleplaying themselves, it simply means that they have to realize that when someone insults their character, they are not out to hurt the player.
Roleplayers can't cure this, there is nothing they can do except to stop roleplaying. They would not be roleplayers anymore, and thus they would have been forced to dump their playstyle. Non-roleplayers are not required to change their game - all that is required of them is understanding.
The other option is to continue having these flamewars forever. Sadly, I am 100% that this will be the case; and that my behind is going to fry for this post.
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Durandal
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Posted - 2004.03.16 10:05:00 -
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Edited by: Durandal on 16/03/2004 10:09:05
*edit for spelling, typical*
Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to thread locking.
Grammar and writing style (and punctuation and spelling!) are not my strong points, but if you take out all of Jades fancy words and phrasing and actually look at her original post I think you pretty much end up with what I said in reply no.2. I just never used the term roleplay, since this gets confusing.
When I play the game I tend not to bother getting into the fact that I am a Ni Kunni unless I am dealing with PIE or Oracle say, and then I play along. For me, I log in and play as Durandal, member of SWI, member of the Stain Alliance and enemy of all things Curse. This is the extent of my roleplaying. Now I would suspect that many of the CA corps have members doing the same, and we both come onto these forums and shout about how n00bish the other is, or how one alliance is finished or whatever. This can be interpreted as hate posts etc, but really its just an aspect of the game we play. I'm sure Jericho Fraction will correct me if I'm wrong but this is similar to the style of roleplaying they use.
Using the analogy of a football game....I have friends who support a rival team, I go to the match cheer on my team, have strongly bias opinions of what happens when the game gets heated, shout and taunt at the opposition players and fans calling them everything under the sun, leave the game (whether we one or lost) and go to the pub with my mates who supported the other team. Now it could be said by those that don't understand or are not interested in sport and have never been to a football match that I was being 'hateful', but clearly I was not. Eve is the same, I log into the game and subsequently the forums, and leave RL at the door. The only problem these forums have are in the minority of cases where people can't see this and can't differentiate between a verbal attack on a character and the player behind that character.
Although I have to say that some of the posts against Jade are verging on a RL personal attack - might recommend a Jade filter for these people to stop the bloodlust 
"Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right!"
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Pussygalore
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Posted - 2004.03.16 10:06:00 -
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JF u go on about rp but you insult peeps in a none rp way!!
YOUR DADDY IS COMING is that wot you call rp?
u flame every post and drag ca fe mf into it wot ever the posts about! every post turns 2 a JF post,and how hard done by they are! i for one am sick of it !
u have nothing 2 say and u say it many times,
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Miso
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Posted - 2004.03.16 10:08:00 -
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Edited by: Miso on 16/03/2004 10:12:00 Lets face facts - the forums used to be fun, now they are a stinking cesspit of abuse, personal attacks, oneupmanship and willy waggling.
Its all very teenage.
I can almost smell the Lynx bodyspray and hear the Linkin Park.
***** Galore - consider this: say you spend alot of time and effort RPing, months and months in fact, only for you to get sustained vitriolic crap thrown at you everytime you post or say anything. Is it any wonder that sometimes, you are reduced to the level of the idiot flamers? TBH, Im sick of the intolerance and small mindedness of the ********s on these boards. Its like impossible to state any kind of personal opinion without some gonk jumping in saying "STFU".
Jesus, its just a fricking game.
Maybe they should stick that on a t-shirt and sell it in the shop.
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Durandal
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Posted - 2004.03.16 10:15:00 -
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Edited by: Durandal on 16/03/2004 10:18:21
Quote: JF u go on about rp but you insult peeps in a none rp way!!
YOUR DADDY IS COMING is that wot you call rp?
u flame every post and drag ca fe mf into it wot ever the posts about! every post turns 2 a JF post,and how hard done by they are! i for one am sick of it !
u have nothing 2 say and u say it many times,
My point highlighted, thanks. At the risk of sounding like a spokesperson for Jericho (heaven forbid) if Jericho drag another alliance into a thread from the outset then it is for a roleplaying reason from what I have seen. Just their roleplay is a bit removed from the usual, 'I am Amarr, I hate minmatar' kind of stuff. And to be fair, Jades original post never insulted anyone and merely answered the question posed by the poster.
It was others who decided to start the mud flingin, and then Jade made that comment about someone getting grounded.
Quote: Maybe they should stick that on a t-shirt and sell it in the shop.
Which comment do you mean, 'It's a frickin game' or 'STFU' 
"Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right!"
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Kyogen Steiner
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Posted - 2004.03.16 10:16:00 -
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Quote: Edited by: Miso on 16/03/2004 10:12:00 Lets face facts - the forums used to be fun, now they are a stinking cesspit of abuse, personal attacks, oneupmanship and willy waggling.
Its all very teenage.
I can almost smell the Lynx bodyspray and hear the Linkin Park.
***** Galore - consider this: say you spend alot of time and effort RPing, months and months in fact, only for you to get sustained vitriolic crap thrown at you everytime you post or say anything. Is it any wonder that sometimes, you are reduced to the level of the idiot flamers? TBH, Im sick of the intolerance and small mindedness of the ********s on these boards. Its like impossible to state any kind of personal opinion without some gonk jumping in saying "STFU".
Jesus, its just a fricking game.
Maybe they should stick that on a t-shirt and sell it in the shop.
I have to agree with Miso. Ive played loads and loads of online games and this forum is by far the most "hatefull" one. Ive forum moderated several forums, most of them larger than this. But honestly, If the forums i worked on where anywhere near these 40% of it would be locked/deleted and loads of people would be banned from them.
As miso said its a game, play it and have fun.  ------------------------------------------------
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Azure Skyclad
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Posted - 2004.03.16 10:22:00 -
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Quote: Edited by: Karol Kei on 16/03/2004 09:40:29
Quote: Nope, but I do think most people think they can tell between real and not real 
Stepping away from all the flaming and word bending and "you said":ing for a moment, and being dead serious.
I think the the problem we constantly face in these forums revolves around the word "think" in your sentence. I agree with what you say as such, I just think there is a very large portion of players that are wrong in thinking they understand this.
The whole mess is all about roleplaying and not-roleplaying players colliding in mid space, over and over and over again. Being a roleplayer, if I were to insult you, that would be directed towards your character.
What non-roleplayers fail to understand - and I am sorry if this is seeing as an insult, but this is how things look from honest perspective - is that I can insult my best friends' characters in game. And they like it, if that is the situation between the characters. In such a situation we both would have agreed to play a game, and would be out to get each other's characters as characters. It's all in good fun.
You guys play basketball, football, soccer, chess, whatever with your friends? Do you let your friend get pass you, because you are friends, and even more importantly - would he appreciate it? I think not.
The problem is exactly what Miso pointed out. Some people can't comprehend roleplaying. It's a harsh thing to say, but them's the apples. There is one cure, and one cure only - they need to learn to udnerstand it. It doesn't mean that they need to start roleplaying themselves, it simply means that they have to realize that when someone insults their character, they are not out to hurt the player.
Roleplayers can't cure this, there is nothing they can do except to stop roleplaying. They would not be roleplayers anymore, and thus they would have been forced to dump their playstyle. Non-roleplayers are not required to change their game - all that is required of them is understanding.
The other option is to continue having these flamewars forever. Sadly, I am 100% that this will be the case; and that my behind is going to fry for this post.
Thank you Karol. Well put. When many of us in JF post something it is primarily in character. If i come across as a condescending, aloof b!tch it's because thats what is intended. This is Azure Skyclad. As Karol pointed out, the real venom arises when you guys who don't roleplay think that I (the player behind Azure) are insulting "You" the player. Quite simply, no.
Insulting us either in or out of character is all well and good. Frankly, the OOC insults can sometimes provide us with more IC fodder to hurl back at you! The ammo the childish ooc insults provide for us IC is staggering! That said, Jericho would far rather have "IC" flame wars on these boards rather than have to deal with the unnecessary and sometimes downright slanderous OOC stuff that gets flung our way.
I think i speak for many of the RPers in EVE when i say flame, insult, taunt us all you want In Character or don't bother. It really does make you look very stupid and a very easy target for IC abuse.
"If in doubt. Say nowt" La Maison de tous Les Plaisirs Star Fraction http://www.voodoorockers.co.uk/ |

Pussygalore
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Posted - 2004.03.16 10:25:00 -
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Edited by: *****galore on 16/03/2004 10:32:08 yes but if u claim the high ground and then do the same, does that not make u ab idiot asswell !
the reason jf are hated so is coz of all the forum crap,if u poke a dog with a skick he will go 4 u,but if u do and he bites u u cant u moan about it ?
u fight forum wars and i think it wearing thin now, i come on here 2 relax and have a read, but ever post has a jf spin, and all hell breaks lose and locked.
P.S if u hate FE so much jade why was u in obe with them the other day,is this more forum crap and ur m8ty really ?
so way 2 go killing the forums 4 others,
this is how i look at it, just my veiws
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Miso
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Posted - 2004.03.16 10:31:00 -
[39]
Edited by: Miso on 16/03/2004 10:33:21
Quote: yes but if u claim the high ground and then do the same, does that not make u ab idiot asswell !
the reason jf are hated so is coz of all the forum crap,if u poke a dog with a skick he will go 4 u,but if u do and he bites u u cant u moan about it ?
u fight forum wars and i think it wearing thin now, i come on here 2 relax and have a read, but ever post has a jf spin, and all hell breaks lose and locked.
so way 2 go killing the forums 4 others,
this is how i look at it, just my veiws
Yeah whatever... notice one thing though - does Jade or anyone else in JF ever tell anyone in this game how they should be playing it? No? Thats cos we don't.
The only thing I ever complain about is idiots.
You pla the game your way, I'll play it mine. If you don't like it, ignore it and go somewhere else. And don't assume the same old crap that cos we post alot of the forums we don't play the game .... that is soooooo soooo sooo BORING.
Enjoy Eve.
Miso x -------------------------------------------- Dead
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.03.16 10:32:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 16/03/2004 10:39:35
Cool, I'm amazed this one hasn't been locked yet, well done mods! (seriously well-done) Way too many threads are getting locked by people who just want to spread personal abuse and nonsense these days.
Firstly to the mispelled Prophesy guy (and Swisher I guess) why don't I take you seriously? Because you aren't playing the same game I am. You are ooc "hate" meisters that want to make personal attacks and thats neither interesting nor valid nor effective against me really.
Let me tell you a secret, when I see an angry abusive post in a thread like these I sometimes like to play "troll juggling" which is a game that involves an angry off topic numpty and the english language. My task is to stay on-topic to the thread, and to remain witty and focused and civilised in my replies while nonetheless "keeping up the troll" with a number of bounces. The more time "mr angry" comes back with frothing crazy-sounding responses the better for my personal scorecard ;)
Does the abuse ever get to me? Mostly no, because I have pretty high self esteem that comes with being: a) fit and healthy, b) having a stable home life c) free to enjoy myself as and where I choose and d) able to communicate without silly gutter frothing in an online game.
Plus of course I know almost 100% of the numtpties that post on eve forums would clam up and become "mr respectful I did'nt mean to offend you ma'am" if we ever met face to face in real life. Fact of the matter is that the internet makes weak people crazy and bold. It's like anonymous letters for poison-pen freaks. Gives the bottom-feeders of society a power buzz they likely don't get in their day to day lives.
***
Seriously though. I entirely agree with the roleplaying perspectives made here. It is about people "not getting" roleplay. Hence with mispelled prophesy guy he doesn't even appreciate the faintest concept that I might be posting from an ic perspective and hence goes straight for the ooc jibe. Well, like whatever, as Miso says it gets a bit tiring sometimes and its not worth wasting the effort on idiots. I am confident that the prophesy guys of eve mean nothing in the grand scale of things and its pointless wasting too much effort with them about from the occassional game of troll-juggling.
That said something good did come of prophesy once, because in response to his crazy flaming I think I sent an acerbic message in-game to his character (but it went to the wrong place) and another character who was a roleplayer and seemed quite nice wrote to me back. We had a brief chat and the person did a little roleplaying and that was lovely.
So in the grand scheme of things mr mispelled prophesy has served a purpose. He helped me chat to someone with a clue.
And thats propably the most positive influence he has been on the game for quite a while ;)
/heartwarming story,
Love and peace
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Pussygalore
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Posted - 2004.03.16 10:34:00 -
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im not saying u dont play im just saying u turn all forum talk 2 u. LIKE NOW 
AND I DONT WANT 2 READ ABOUT JF 20 TIME A DAY
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bUBbLeS
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Posted - 2004.03.16 10:38:00 -
[42]
Quote:
Quote: why are 80% of people who post here so full of hate
Thats very easy to answer - because 80% of people who post on these boards are idiots who are incapable of differentiating between Real and Not Real.
is that not knowing cAKe from pi3?
i know which is which and i'm not full of h8 (cause i believe in the healing power of cAKe) Julius ceaser : "operor vos volo MCCCXXXVII laganum bUBbLeS?"
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Azure Skyclad
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Posted - 2004.03.16 10:39:00 -
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The situation isn't ideal. Far from it. But pointing out JF's responses to childish stupidity and crying "Look! They're (JF) doing it again!" conveniently ignores the folks who start the spiral down into hurtful, vitriolic, ooc flaming. It is very, very rare (if ever) that JF start a thread which is OOC. The OOC stuff begins to get added to the mix by others, not by us. Yet we are held up as the bad guys when it comes to the forums. Is this fair? Am i responsible for the idiot who can't maintain a level of civility? Is it my fault that many folks can not or will not roleplay? I am not going to stop enjoying a facet of this game because somebody else feels the need to come and kick over my sandcastle because they can't build a sandcastle like mine.
We will continue to RP. We will continue to use roleplay to achieve our ends. This is JF. This is why i joined JF. JF roleplay and i like to as well.
I doubt any of us are requiring you to like it. Just respect the fact that this is what we like to do. I personally find ganking for ganking's sake to be undesirable. I do however, respect the fact that this is how some people have their fun. La Maison de tous Les Plaisirs Star Fraction http://www.voodoorockers.co.uk/ |

Azure Skyclad
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Posted - 2004.03.16 10:40:00 -
[44]
Edited by: Azure Skyclad on 16/03/2004 10:42:28 Edit: Double post. Sorry  La Maison de tous Les Plaisirs Star Fraction http://www.voodoorockers.co.uk/ |

CT BadIronTree
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Posted - 2004.03.16 10:42:00 -
[45]
i LOVE you man :PPPPPP my ammo love's you toooo ============================================ Colossus Technologies The first and oldest corp in eve! BadIronTree Head of Production
CSM Chat Log September 25, 2003: Fuhry> Some things we simply cannot test, and therefore we just put it on Tranq. cross our fingers and then get into panic mode. --------------------------------------- playing (or beta testing)since Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:06 (beta 5) ---------------------------------------
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Pussygalore
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Posted - 2004.03.16 10:44:00 -
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So wot ur trying 2 say jade is ur tuff in rl and we would all b scared of u! lol
and so wot if peeps cant spell he my not be english,and is that rp insult? and saying peeps r idiots is that rp? now if u said get an intel imp thats rp,
dont get me wroung i dont know jf 2 hate um, i just think them kill the forums 4 me
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Miso
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Posted - 2004.03.16 10:46:00 -
[47]
Azure, you're right on the money.
All we need now, is for people to mind their own business and get on with playing their game their way.
Fat chance. -------------------------------------------- Dead
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.03.16 10:47:00 -
[48]
Quote: im not saying u dont play im just saying u turn all forum talk 2 u. LIKE NOW  AND I DONT WANT 2 READ ABOUT JF 20 TIME A DAY
There are two options here. Either you genuinely dislike seeing our stuff (maybe roleplay brings you out in hives) If so, don't read it.
Or, you are actually jealous of the attention and wish we would stop doing what we are good at (public relations and media manipulation) ... this is invalid on your part and is about as crazy as me asking Techell to stop "making money" or Moo from "killing ships" because I don't like how good they are at it.
So if the former, learn to ignore it and have a nice life. If the latter, tough, accept that there are realties you cannot control in games (as in life).
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Pussygalore
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Posted - 2004.03.16 10:52:00 -
[49]
but here we get 2 my point we cant keep our noses out coz its on every thread, and sorry but u do go out of ur way 2 get ca fe mf 2 bite on ur posts 2 cause hassle as far as i can see eveones post get jacked. any way im playing into ur hand here by keeping it going PG out
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.03.16 10:55:00 -
[50]
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 16/03/2004 11:07:43
Quote: So wot ur trying 2 say jade is ur tuff in rl and we would all b scared of u! lol and so wot if peeps cant spell he my not be english,and is that rp insult? and saying peeps r idiots is that rp? now if u said get an intel imp thats rp, dont get me wroung i dont know jf 2 hate um, i just think them kill the forums 4 me
No what I am saying is that the reason I don't get ooc abusive and het up to distraction on these forums is that I am confident that the posts would be massively more respectful in direct reality. Thats not a boast or threat, just reality. People are more polite face to face - fact. And you seem to have failed to fellow my argument, I'm not perfect, I'm not some kind of roleplaying martyr ... some guy talks ooc smack to me am I going to play miss dutiful IC response? Hell know, I will tell the creep where to get off or simply brush them off like an ugly bug.
And like I said, it kills the forums for you its your choice. For my part I loathe l33tspeak with numbers for letters (like you have been using) but hey, if it floats your boat whatever. I'm not going to try to teach you the english language. I have the freedom to ignore you any time I want too.
The critical point is that more people should excercise that right.
Quote: but here we get 2 my point we cant keep our noses out coz its on every thread, and sorry but u do go out of ur way 2 get ca fe mf 2 bite on ur posts 2 cause hassle as far as i can see eveones post get jacked. any way im playing into ur hand here by keeping it going PG out
And here we at least see your interest m'dear; you are probably a CA/FE/MF character who doesn't like the bad press you are currenly getting. Well to be frank, tough luck, we don't like being war-dec'ed against either. And if your corporation sees fit to bring a conflict to our corporation we are going to fight back in every way we can. Politics is part of the game, Public Relations is part of the game. This in-game war has revealed that MF is an alt war corp of FE, and FE is a millstone round the neck of the remaining honourable CA corps. I'm sorry, but if you guys make in-game decisions you have to take the in-game consequences, don't try bullying us in-game and them whine about it when you pay a PR price on the forums. Those are the breaks. If you don't like it surrender.
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Pussygalore
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Posted - 2004.03.16 11:08:00 -
[51]
lol the no 2 isnt l33t its just 2=to im just lazy
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Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2004.03.16 12:13:00 -
[52]
Quote: lol the no 2 isnt l33t its just 2=to im just lazy
Do you save a lot of time writing 2 instead of to __________ Capacitor research |

Iznogud
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Posted - 2004.03.16 13:10:00 -
[53]
Quote: Edited by: Miso on 16/03/2004 10:12:00 Lets face facts - the forums used to be fun, now they are a stinking cesspit of abuse, personal attacks, oneupmanship and willy waggling.
excactly and a reason for i left EQ now its comming to EVE its so sad cause even there was many enemies and lotsa shouting it was never treatning to the person behind the Char but with in 2004 it have becommed more like that and thats a sad thing cause no one getting their ego fullfill by such i dont think most of you guy¦s and Gals want it like that cause its not fun and prolly the wrong person you are revenging let make it a game and have fun and if you wanna fight well go to the local Hells angels pub and start being tough there you might wanna get what you seek ... Not in EVE
another 2cp from Iznogud Horned revenger of Phantom Squad http://www.shinra.com/ Shinra Republic Artillery-round deliver Izno~
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Soul Reaver
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Posted - 2004.03.16 13:18:00 -
[54]
I Love you all! Enemys pirates alliances All. My game would be boring without you all :)
I am especially fond of Lianhaun though :) Even though she has been my enemy for over 10 months now in one way or another. So whats with all this hate tosh?
Be you a Pirate or a Simple Alt creeper! Sooner or later you'll dance with Soul Reaver and His Amazing Underpants
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Karol Kei
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Posted - 2004.03.16 13:27:00 -
[55]
The wisdom:
Quote: I Love you all! Enemys pirates alliances All. My game would be boring without you all :)
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2004.03.16 13:35:00 -
[56]
I hate you all. My hate keeps me warm.
PS Miso what do you have against Linkin Park?
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.03.16 13:43:00 -
[57]
Quote: I Love you all! Enemys pirates alliances All. My game would be boring without you all :) I am especially fond of Lianhaun though :) Even though she has been my enemy for over 10 months now in one way or another. So whats with all this hate tosh?
You are absolutely right Soul Reaver, very sensible, very level headed and a nice guy to boot, (and also very good at the game) ... I wonder if there is some connection?
Seriously, you have the perfect approach, nothing phases you, you keep your temper and sense of perspective and never let hate cloud your judgement or ability.
Thats the scariest combination of combat talents I can imagine and it makes you a fearsome warrior of a breed these smack-talking ooc insulting wannabes can never dream of becoming.
Love and peace
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2004.03.16 13:49:00 -
[58]
Quote: I Love you all! Enemys pirates alliances All. My game would be boring without you all :)
I am especially fond of Lianhaun though :) Even though she has been my enemy for over 10 months now in one way or another. So whats with all this hate tosh?
No idea, I appreciate the gesture people give me when they send me some love & attention in the form of a few hundred cruise and torps.
Is your passionate affection for me keeping you from joining Evolution? Does the thought of you and me mining together scare you as much as it frightends me? If yes, dont tell Shrike otherwise I'll be looking for a new corp 
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Noumena
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Posted - 2004.03.16 13:52:00 -
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no one really hates in this game i think. most of us are to fake to really hate. and the ones that do hate....well, they have prolly finally made it to 8th grade, and they 'think' they got what it takes to back the smack. when in reality they are basic and nothing. but arent we all to some extent.
the Grinder
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anthonieak
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Posted - 2004.03.16 14:28:00 -
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Nice topic.
What means "IC". What means "OOC".
Play the game in Eve not on forums. Eve is for information gathering. In this topic i see none of that.
People play the game as they see fit.
Never understand though why "man" use an female character play with and vice versa.
1. Maybe if you see an female character you think it is more thrust worthy. Think again some corpmembers of mine are fooled with thus sort of female character scammers and they still succeed. I heard from one "he" has 5 succesfull operations a day. Name "Hot Chocolate".
2. You do think not fast that a female character will attack your ship if your are peaceful mining in 0.4 sector. I have learned the hard way. And I think yes there is still a personnel matter of score too get even with that character. or characters.
Hate is make of greed. And also dominantcy. Some people get not in real life what they want. So they get it here.
But we all play this game, because we like it. We have a strong bondage in a corperation and work together too finally explore new grounds.
All though i find chats in local some quiet.
AK 
*********************************************** Missing Lola Gold Since 6-4-2004
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Soul Reaver
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Posted - 2004.03.16 14:52:00 -
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Edited by: Soul Reaver on 16/03/2004 15:10:51 Jade my dear are you trying to usurp my affections for Lian perchance? ha ha ha Flattery will get you all over the place with me! Me dear :)
Lian. Me join Evol? Now theres a consideration! Hmm a worthy corp indeedy for our attentions. I was only asking the lads the other night if we could utilise a war slot for you guys! (Soul likes a lot of action see) Chase me Chase me. As for mining ROFL I have 69 skills last count and every one is Combat related. I couldnt fit or fire a mining lazer if I wanted to :( Although I could perhaps guard your pretty bottom while you bend and scoop :)
Be you a Pirate or a Simple Alt creeper! Sooner or later you'll dance with Soul Reaver and His Amazing Underpants
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Karol Kei
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Posted - 2004.03.16 15:13:00 -
[62]
Quote: What means "IC". What means "OOC".
IC = In character. In my case Those are words and actions of Karol Kei. Some of the things she says and does I would never do nor condone. Karol Kei is a starship captain, she can shoot cruise missiles and even does so. I neither can, nor would.
OOC = Out of character. These are words and actions of me, the player of Karol Kei. Karol Kei does not agree with everything I say and do. This post is OOC.
The distinction of IC and OOC - madness? No, it's roleplaying. I am not a starship captain, nor do I care to pretend one. I do like to play one, and by doing so fill a role in the galaxy and hopefully provide fun for all others in the form of a galaxy that is one Karol Kei richer than without my character.
Quote: Play the game in Eve not on forums. Eve is for information gathering. In this topic i see none of that.
Why are you trying to limit other people to play the game like you see fit? There is no reason for that. If you don't care for this or that, ignore it. There are informational forums, and there is a pure roleplaying forum above this one. This seems to be somewhat of a hybrid, like the Crime and punishment as well.
Quote: People play the game as they see fit.
Exactly. Practice what you preach. See above.
Quote: Never understand though why "man" use an female character play with and vice versa.
This is the whole understanding thing I and others are talking about. You don't understand it, but it is not very hard, to be honest. All you need to do is listen when people tell you what roleplaying is and then accept that when they talk to you IC, they talk to the character - not the player. When you talk back they also reply to you as the character.
Quote: 1. Maybe...
Nope, nowhere near right. ABC of roleplaying and you will understand.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.03.16 15:25:00 -
[63]
[monsieur anthonieask wrote]
Quote: But we all play this game, because we like it. We have a strong bondage in a corperation and work together too finally explore new grounds.
So do we m'dear, so do we ;)
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2004.03.16 16:29:00 -
[64]
I couldnt fit or fire a mining lazer if I wanted to :( Although I could perhaps guard your pretty bottom while you bend and scoop :)
Sorry to dissapoint you, but all my skills are trained around gunnery and my cute little scorp.
But, I'd loooooove to chase you around and have you chase me around. I'd even come back to Torrinos for that 
This is not a hijack
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Starquinia
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Posted - 2004.03.16 16:39:00 -
[65]
Quote: [monsieur anthonieask wrote]
Quote: But we all play this game, because we like it. We have a strong bondage in a corperation and work together too finally explore new grounds.
So do we m'dear, so do we ;)
Hmm, I think I missed that night.
On the other hand, some of us are getting the hang of strip mining. (The rest mine rocks) -------------------------------------- Proud bearer of the Khumaak
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Arima Todai
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Posted - 2004.03.16 16:47:00 -
[66]
Quote: Edited by: Miso on 16/03/2004 10:12:00 Lets face facts - the forums used to be fun, now they are a stinking cesspit of abuse, personal attacks, oneupmanship and willy waggling.
Its all very teenage.
I can almost smell the Lynx bodyspray and hear the Linkin Park.
***** Galore - consider this: say you spend alot of time and effort RPing, months and months in fact, only for you to get sustained vitriolic crap thrown at you everytime you post or say anything. Is it any wonder that sometimes, you are reduced to the level of the idiot flamers? TBH, Im sick of the intolerance and small mindedness of the ********s on these boards. Its like impossible to state any kind of personal opinion without some gonk jumping in saying "STFU".
Jesus, its just a fricking game.
Maybe they should stick that on a t-shirt and sell it in the shop.
So ******* true, I cant stand it ...The JF stuff "was" fun.. now it just starts flaming, the F-E, Ca, M0o, Evol mixer is pointless, because no one can ever post anything without it getting torched... People even feel the need to post bull**** about Celest that turn into locked threads for trolling... while I don't see these posts as useful to anyone, a long while ago they were fun, now they are a constant war and makes everyone look pretty childish ____________________________
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2004.03.16 16:59:00 -
[67]
Quote: I couldnt fit or fire a mining lazer if I wanted to :( Although I could perhaps guard your pretty bottom while you bend and scoop :)
Sorry to dissapoint you, but all my skills are trained around gunnery and my cute little scorp.
But, I'd loooooove to chase you around and have you chase me around. I'd even come back to Torrinos for that 
Lianhaun likes to be chased by losts of people.
But not me.
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2004.03.16 17:08:00 -
[68]
Lianhaun likes to be chased by losts of people.
But not me.
Thats cause your a cuddly bear 
Btw, sorry for the hijack errm I'll try and stop it now
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Jayad
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Posted - 2004.03.16 18:25:00 -
[69]
Back on topic:
For non forum warriors, people like myself can feel stifled (before we even write) because of the insensitivity expressed to certain individuals. Where i enjoy a good forum war its without taste to publicly decimate viewpoints in an underhand manner.
Good quality threads exist here (Suprised almost) but when the dilution occurs, without doubt some of the great accounts have been muffled, hijacked even, to spin their magnificent words into eroneous folly. As trolling is easier than countering arguments using knowledge and intellect, perhaps i should not have much expectancy for great literature here.
Regardless of that said, quality does happen and should be enjoyed by everyone without child like thread snatching.
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2004.03.16 18:31:00 -
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Its is hard not to troll or flame sometimes. You can be in a good thread ppl just make there comments, Then out of the blue some 5 year old will come along and say "your sh*t aaaahhh" and from then its a downhill slide. 
Also annoying when you post an argument for someone to answer and its completely ignored (one assumes that they havent got one) for a reply to a troll or flame. 
Tal
What goes around comes around...
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Woetra
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Posted - 2004.03.16 19:02:00 -
[71]
Quote: why are 80% of people who post here so full of hate
Because they're afraid of the other 20% Yoda said it tbh
Sig Thief
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Tatsue Nuko
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Posted - 2004.03.17 05:00:00 -
[72]
Quote: Never understand though why "man" use an female character play with and vice versa.
By the lords: when will we see the end of that discussion?
Tell me, is "anthonieak" your real name? If not, why would you use a name that is not your own? Because it's a game, it's not real life, thus it's okey to use names and appearances that are not founded in real life (that's why there's "character generation" in the game instead of subscribers sending IRL photos and High School/college diplomas), and for me - personally - it is more interesting to play a female character than a male character. I am male, so I've been there and done that alrady, and I've got the appendice to prove it.
So, to put it simple, some guys play female characters because it's interesting from a role playing perspective. Either that or that women have a tendency to look prettier than men (from my point of view, at least).
And besides, it is great fun to encounter men in local that upon seeing my character portrait immediately start trying to bundle me up for a IRL date.
BTW, I would not be surprised if there's a few girls out there behind male character portraits (though I think it highly possible that they chose male characters simply to avoid all those lousy pick-up lines).
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Soul Reaver
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Posted - 2004.03.17 08:18:00 -
[73]
From now on I want you to call me Loretta! Because I want to have babies.. ROFL LOL
Be you a Pirate or a Simple Alt creeper! Sooner or later you'll dance with Soul Reaver and His Amazing Underpants
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