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Iyhi Baal
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Posted - 2007.12.25 04:07:00 -
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Just get another GTC and get on with it! Jezzzz!
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Blackjack OMalley
Caldari
Blackjack Security Services
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Posted - 2007.12.25 04:30:00 -
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As far as 1 vs. 1s go, I'm glad that many of you were able to have honorable duels, but really, this is EVE. EVE is like prison, but without all the charm or the integrity of life in lockup. Even in high-sec, the best CONCORD can usually do is get the guys who just shivved you.
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Nexa Necis
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2007.12.25 07:14:00 -
[63]
 Originally by: Sahriah BloodStone
My god..Tiger..Nexa you guyz have problems...Can you both agree this was 4-5months ago? Can you both just put it behind you. Tiger i know you will say i have Nexa hasn't but your both here arguing a unprovable useless battle that neither of you will give way in. Get over it and move on, wipe your minds clear.
It's well behind us. The problem is I made several statements backed up with lots of screenshots and chat logs. All of UPAY/Crimson comments put forth have no proof. Which, I guess is ok if you have a really good/strong rep in game to go off of, but obviously that's not the case for some. So while I post proof of the words, actions, deeds and such of others along with my own, other people sit and make lots of false claims and call me a liar outright repeatedly.
Originally by: Sahriah BloodStone
As for this. I have always been taught "Follow your FC to the death, he will pay for his mistakes" If you start questioning your FC chaos will follow do you agree Nexa?
Not at all. There is a big difference between following someone's strategy on the field of battle, but it's all together different when they're asking you to go against whatever ethics you may have.
I mean really pick and choose the player you are/want to be. Mindless minion/upstanding player. I've seen a few times some of the Crimson people passing the buck claiming they're pawns in the big scheme of things. Which I guess would contradict Tiger saying he runs an honorable outfit. I guess I don't get that. Someone would have to be lying I would think.
Originally by: Sahriah BloodStone
What happens when people are online is out of tigers control, its out of everyone but the person who is committing the action, all Tiger can do is punish, and he has and will keep that punishment up.
I would expect no less from an alliance leader. Again, I understand you have players who make dumb decisions that affect the alliance as a whole. It's really going to come down to how you fix the situation.
Originally by: Sahriah BloodStone
You cant forgive and see a new path forming if you dwell in the past each of you give the other a chance, stop blaming each other, stop being children. Thats your new years resolution guyz :) Merry christmas Nexa, tiger and everyone else
Again, I never blamed anyone for anything. All I did was say look who we fought, look what they did/said to/against us. I did interject personal opinions into the mix as well. My opinions were based on direct interactions with your alliance. There would be no way for me to write anything without your alliance doing the things they did.
However, I noticed that the majority of the negative comments from your camp came out of nowhere. They were mean, spiteful and rude with absolutely no foundation.
I've asked for proof of the claims from you guys made against myself, TRAPS and my Eve-Pirate stories, but I have yet to see it. All I get is, "You lie, you're a propagandist, you're a bully, you don't honor 1vs1's, you suck at pvp" and so on from you guys.
Good luck with whatever path you guys decide to take.
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Arekhon
Mutually Assured Distraction
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Posted - 2007.12.25 07:22:00 -
[64]
no, no keep it going....i still have popcorn left
Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2007.12.25 07:27:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Arekhon
no, no keep it going....i still have popcorn left
Really? I still haven't read this thread 
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2007.12.25 08:09:00 -
[66]
To get this thread back on topic:
Tiger- kudos to you for removing their corp from your alliance, but it was/is still the only reasonable course of action.
Silent- nice apology, but you still did it, haven't paid back Yonneh for a ship that he clearly would still own if you guys hadn't killed him (unfairly). His Mega was destroying your Abaddon 1v1. It wasn't even close when you warped your support in and *remote repped* your Abaddon (hmm, remote reps? Already specifically set up to intervene?).
You wouldn't be giving an apology to anyone if you didn't get caught/called on it. I wonder how many other people this has happened to in the past who have let it go.
To sum it up- Silent has single handedly ruined the credibility of himself and most of Crimson in one insignificant kill. Nexa and Tiger seem to have hard ons for each other, but that's for another thread TBH. All of that stuff needs to be taken to CAOD. Merry Christmas.
Bellum Eternus
[Vid] L E G E N D A R Y
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Tigerfish Torpedo
Underworld Protection Agency
The Crimson Federation
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Posted - 2007.12.25 08:30:00 -
[67]
Right, I know I said I wasn't going to post again, but I've made a decision.
Gentlemen, I'm away on holiday for the Christmas period, getting home just before the new year, and despite this being an issue caused by SilentHunter13 who has no connection nor blue standing to CRMSN following this event.
Silent operated against CRMSN policy, and ganked a pilot in what I can see (from logs and his own admission) was an arranged 1v1. The removal of Silent from CRMSN is his punishment, and will be the final action I take towards Silent. You must understand that although this is a real mess, I personally enjoyed flying with Silent, despite his professional approach towards 1v1s being different to mine. Again, I'd like to iterate that CRMSN have a policy to honor all accepted 1v1s, and even though I do not consider myself directly responsible in this matter, I am willing to replace the Megathron for this pilot out of my own wallet. This is not an admission of my guilt, but more an attempt for me to further resolve this issue by reinforcing my disdain over Silent's actions.
The Megathron will be contracted (in a neutral high sec system) as soon as the pilot contacts me after my return, and he can arrange shipping of it himself. Furthermore, I will not be replacing the fittings as his setup was too expensive for my own wallet to cover.
With this gesture and the removal of Silent, I consider this matter closed, and wish to be allowed permission to move on with the reconstruction of my alliance. One that I hope will eventually be able to claim some honor amongst the bigger players in EVE.
Again, Merry Christmas,
Tiger.
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Ki An
Gallente
Filiolus Of Bellum
The Church.
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Posted - 2007.12.25 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Tigerfish Torpedo
Right, I know I said I wasn't going to post again, but I've made a decision.
Gentlemen, I'm away on holiday for the Christmas period, getting home just before the new year, and despite this being an issue caused by SilentHunter13 who has no connection nor blue standing to CRMSN following this event.
Silent operated against CRMSN policy, and ganked a pilot in what I can see (from logs and his own admission) was an arranged 1v1. The removal of Silent from CRMSN is his punishment, and will be the final action I take towards Silent. You must understand that although this is a real mess, I personally enjoyed flying with Silent, despite his professional approach towards 1v1s being different to mine. Again, I'd like to iterate that CRMSN have a policy to honor all accepted 1v1s, and even though I do not consider myself directly responsible in this matter, I am willing to replace the Megathron for this pilot out of my own wallet. This is not an admission of my guilt, but more an attempt for me to further resolve this issue by reinforcing my disdain over Silent's actions.
The Megathron will be contracted (in a neutral high sec system) as soon as the pilot contacts me after my return, and he can arrange shipping of it himself. Furthermore, I will not be replacing the fittings as his setup was too expensive for my own wallet to cover.
With this gesture and the removal of Silent, I consider this matter closed, and wish to be allowed permission to move on with the reconstruction of my alliance. One that I hope will eventually be able to claim some honor amongst the bigger players in EVE.
Again, Merry Christmas,
Tiger.
Nice gesture. I will not pretend to speak for the aggrieved in this case, but this is what I would expect from an upstanding alliance leader, and I would also consider the matter closed. At least Crimson's involvement in the matter.
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Setana Manoro
Gallente
Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.25 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: BlackRain McMillan
Originally by: Lorzion
When i was in my old corp, traps, we were at war with them for 2 months. It was full of stuff like this. needless to say their whole corp is full of them. Crimson federation never honored a 1v1 in the time i have known them.
I dare say that you and your former corp had very limited interaction with Crimson Federation aside from a short war of gank-tactics from both sides.
I will be the first to admit that there have been ocassions in which 1 v.1 agreements have been broken, but as whole, the UPAY corporation lives by a strict code of honoring 1 v.1 fights and if we agree to it, we hold to it. End of story.
One person failing to abide by this code is certainly a lot different than the entire corp having no honor.
So what you are saying is "we always honor 1;1's but if we don't, do not put the blame on us" ?
Oh yeah, that is very honorable.
You know, i don't give a rat's ass about weather you are honorable or not, what you choose to do in this game is your own problem, but douche-bags like your corp members - tigerfish, and your ex-corp members and present alliance members, are not to be trusted. If you were blues to me, i'd put you red just because you cannot keep to your word, and this is the issue here.
Heh, just when i thought, a carebear corp cannot sink any lower than what Nexa showed, this happens, bloody priceless. :))
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Setana Manoro
Gallente
Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.25 17:15:00 -
[70]
Edited by: Setana Manoro on 25/12/2007 17:21:00
nvm
Rifter is not X-Wing CCP. Trinity model kinda sucks. |
EinaruS
Darwin With Attitude
oooh Shiny
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Posted - 2007.12.25 17:28:00 -
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in other words, he won the 1v1!
congratulations to him!
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A finger...especially the middle one, is worth more than any amount of isk |
Nexa Necis
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2007.12.26 15:30:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Silent- nice apology, but you still did it, haven't paid back Yonneh for a ship that he clearly would still own if you guys hadn't killed him (unfairly). His Mega was destroying your Abaddon 1v1. It wasn't even close when you warped your support in and *remote repped* your Abaddon (hmm, remote reps? Already specifically set up to intervene?).
You wouldn't be giving an apology to anyone if you didn't get caught/called on it. I wonder how many other people this has happened to in the past who have let it go.
How come the loss isn't on your boards? Post the KM here, I'd love to see what Yonneh lost and what Silent profited.
If Tiger can't afford to pay for the mods, then it must've been very expensive. I remember him telling me he had billions of ISK of his own a few months back.
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Tigerfish Torpedo
Underworld Protection Agency
The Crimson Federation
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Posted - 2007.12.26 18:41:00 -
[73]
Edited by: Tigerfish Torpedo on 26/12/2007 18:43:12
Not rising to it :)
Tiger
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me bored
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Posted - 2007.12.26 20:03:00 -
[74]
lol care bear drama. Why don't you take this to the corp and alliance board until you grow some balls and start blinking red? |
Josh Causto
Gallente
Fatalix Inc.
THORN Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.27 00:44:00 -
[75]
Man these Death of Virtue guys are such noobs!!!
Originally by: Speed Devil
Originally by: ReePeR McAllem
Everytime you fit anything other than a laser on our ships, babies die.
and when ya fit lasers on your ships nothing dies
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pegasus wolf
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.12.27 01:44:00 -
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why do people say that the people n the gang should stoped this from happening isnt it Yonneh fuilt as much as the other 3 pilots after all he did ask for the 1v1, he could of not even botherd going ahead with it but he still did
now this topic should be forgetten this should rest in the history books and leave silent and yonneh to continue on their own path
tiger and nexa you should get over the past couse you cant change it, the future is not set in stone. the only other way i can see it stoping is if you 2 have a fight to the end with fish slaping as you weapons ^^
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William DeMeo
Gallente
the united
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Posted - 2007.12.27 01:51:00 -
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I dunno where you are finding these guys, because I cannot remember a single person that has dishonored a 1 vs. 1 with me. Guess I'm just lucky 
Yarr |
me bored
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Posted - 2007.12.27 03:25:00 -
[78]
lol care bear drama. Why don't you take this to the corp & alliance board and come back when you've grown some balls and started blinking red? |
Suitonia
Gallente
interimo
The Crimson Federation
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Posted - 2007.12.27 04:23:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Nexa Necis
How come the loss isn't on your boards? Post the KM here, I'd love to see what Yonneh lost and what Silent profited.
If Tiger can't afford to pay for the mods, then it must've been very expensive. I remember him telling me he had billions of ISK of his own a few months back.
The loss has been on board for awhile now, we have switched killboards since the trinity release. So we can post killmails in the new format. The kill can be located here.
http://killboard.crimsonfederation.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=2131
My aplogies to Tiger if he didn't want me posting our killboard link here, although it is a public killboard at present, and a password can be placed I think.
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Dubious Drewski
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Posted - 2007.12.27 11:22:00 -
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Edited by: Dubious Drewski on 27/12/2007 11:24:34
Since my last reply here, I took my Drake around the Forge, looking for 1v1 fights. Through alot of chatting in local, I got 1v1's versus a Nighthawk, a Geddon, Zealot, and Nightmare. Yeah, a Nightmare!
ALL of those fights were with strangers and ALL of those fights were honoured by both sides.
It's all about your attitude.
(By the way, I was able to tank each of those ships, but the only ship I could break was the Zealot, hehe. Typical Drake dps)
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Xaen
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.27 15:02:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Welcome to Eve
Seconded.
Always, always assume that a one on one fight with someone in a player corp is going to escalate.
Only if they're in an NPC corp is it guaranteed to get get a real 1v1.
I kinda instigated a fight with some guys outside my base of operations. Dropped a can with junk in it so they could steal and start a fight in empire without CONCORD intervention. Someone steals from my can. Yay! I check his corp....player corp....erm..
So I set his standings to orange. Tada! A nighthawk 40km away suddenly becomes orange to me as well. After about 10 minutes of the guy who looted my can talking smack in local trying to get me to open fire I tell him I'm not that stupid. He continues smacktalk. Five minutes later the aggression timer ends and scant minutes later he admits that his corpie was very much going to jump in the fight.
Trust no one. Do not attempt to 1v1 a player in a player corp that you don't personally know! Ever.
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me bored
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Posted - 2007.12.27 16:02:00 -
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lol care bear drama. Why don't you take this to the corp & alliance board and come back when you've grown some balls and started blinking red? |
Yonneh
Precision Engineering
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Posted - 2007.12.27 16:06:00 -
[83]
Wuzzaa!
Sorry i've been away for christmas and what not..
I've just finnished reading everything :D woo!
Tnx for the appology 
Cheers tiger for the new mega that i will contact you about just before the new year.
And tnx for all the support from C&P <3
And the True Sansha Adaptive Nano Platings are about 10-20mil and the Dark Blood Heavy CapBoosters are 20mil ish.
Thanks again!
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Nexa Necis
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2007.12.27 16:32:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Suitonia
Edited by: Suitonia on 27/12/2007 04:25:50
Originally by: Nexa Necis
How come the loss isn't on your boards? Post the KM here, I'd love to see what Yonneh lost and what Silent profited.
If Tiger can't afford to pay for the mods, then it must've been very expensive. I remember him telling me he had billions of ISK of his own a few months back.
The loss has been on board for awhile now, we have switched killboards since the trinity release. So we can post killmails in the new format. The kill can be located here.
Linkage
I actually was directing my question at Yonneh. Just curious as to why the loss wasn't posted on their KB, though I guess I could've looked up Crimson's KB to get the details.
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Dubious Drewski
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Posted - 2007.12.27 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Xaen
Trust no one. Do not attempt to 1v1 a player in a player corp that you don't personally know! Ever.
Ffs! I just proved that wrong! Read my above post. You have to use your judgement, maybe control who initiates the can-agro. Keep a cool head and be polite. It can be done reliably.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2007.12.28 03:46:00 -
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Originally by: Josh Causto
Man these Death of Virtue guys are such noobs!!!
This coming from someone DoV has been killing since we've been in existance? Have you ever *once* won a fight with us? No, I didn't think so. I know carebears with more PVP skill than FXI.
Bellum Eternus
[Vid] L E G E N D A R Y
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2007.12.28 03:47:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Nexa Necis
Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Silent- nice apology, but you still did it, haven't paid back Yonneh for a ship that he clearly would still own if you guys hadn't killed him (unfairly). His Mega was destroying your Abaddon 1v1. It wasn't even close when you warped your support in and *remote repped* your Abaddon (hmm, remote reps? Already specifically set up to intervene?).
You wouldn't be giving an apology to anyone if you didn't get caught/called on it. I wonder how many other people this has happened to in the past who have let it go.
How come the loss isn't on your boards? Post the KM here, I'd love to see what Yonneh lost and what Silent profited.
If Tiger can't afford to pay for the mods, then it must've been very expensive. I remember him telling me he had billions of ISK of his own a few months back.
Dunno why the loss isn't posted. Probably just an oversite by Yonneh, as he went on vacation etc. Will be rectified.
Bellum Eternus
[Vid] L E G E N D A R Y
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doctorstupid2
Blood Corsair's
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Posted - 2007.12.28 05:47:00 -
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Edited by: doctorstupid2 on 28/12/2007 05:50:03
Originally by: Sahriah BloodStone
One cannot say that an entire alliance/corp is dishonorable because some members of the corp/alliance have dishonored 1v1. I am new to crimson and would never help corp/alliance mates dishonor a 1v1 nor dishonor one myself and frankly i have little respect from those that do. 1v1's should never be agreed during the middle of a war however and no-one should be dumb enough to accept one. As for Nexa shaming the alliance as a whole, you dont know each one of us... its not very nice to say bad things about the people you havnt met yet :)
While that's some swell hippy bull**** you've got there, the truth of the matter is every pilot flying with your ticker represents the alliance as a whole, and each and every individual pilot there in.
You fly with scum, and knowing that birds of a feather flock together, you therefore are also scum.
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Suitonia
Gallente
interimo
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Posted - 2007.12.28 05:56:00 -
[89]
Originally by: doctorstupid2
While that's some swell hippy bull**** you've got there, the truth of the matter is every pilot flying with your ticker represents the alliance as a whole, and each and every individual pilot there in.
You fly with scum, and knowing that birds of a feather flock together, you therefore are also scum.
I think this thread has met it's end, and you're not contributing to any of it. Silenthunter is no longer in the alliance, he broke alliance policy and therefore is no longer in Crimson.
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Dik Gosinya
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Posted - 2007.12.28 13:45:00 -
[90]
Look....
The topic is indeed at its end, all this has turned into now is complete and utter smack and insults, to insult a alliance on this game like it has been in the last few anti crimson posts does not show you are clever or that you are funny but that you are ignorant and cannot simply move on in life. It is just a game, silenthunter was punished and yonneh was refunded the topic has ended. Any such talk of a previous 1v1 incident shouldn't come here, this thread shouldn't even be alive still. Nexa i know you wont listen to me but you have to let it go dear, its been months since the crimson traps war and incidents and you are still going on about it, hyjacking threads that involve crimson to voice your eve-pirate opinions and thoughts isn't really desired. While you may think you are getting alot of reader base by doing this you are indeed just getting the same reader base responding in a rather insulting way and in the process making it look like you are just throwing wood on their fire, also showing that the people who read your threads are just people who like to get into forum arguments and think that it involves them somehow. (although some of your posts on eve-pirate are rather fun to read)
This goes out to crimson too FYI. If crimson respond to nexa's post it seems all nexa would do is repeat herself, like i see when at work some people just can't stop repeating their problem over and over again even when a solution is found and given. The only way to prove that Crimson is over the traps war is to not respond to criticism thrown out by nexa. Where is the point in insulting crimson any more nexa? You had your fun, you did your damage, Crimson is now rebuiding and growing and you posting here doesn't do anything to the crimson reputation any more. Theres enough smack going round about alliances and corps anyway, the world of eve doesn't stop to watch your attempts and trying to tear down crimson which even though you try has continued to grow and take on more members aswell as have better results at war and through punishment of its own members for the issues that you once pointed out that were once relevant.
Despite you saying that you have moved on and that me posting here provides you with another page rant about previous issues still solved or that doesn't really matter to anyone in crimson or most of eve, you have still yet to move on. You have said "but i have moved on tiger, i have" and then go on for 2 long posts with quotes (possibly the same quotes over used) about previous issues which only shows you haven't really moved on.
Dear me, this has got out of hand, i mean really. Its a 1v1 that has not been upheld, the person involved has been punished, he's very sorry for the problem he has caused, Yonneh has been refunded, he has accepted the apology. The thread is over, there isn't a point posting here any more as the issues that the thread started with have been fixed and resolved.
Before i end this i want to predict the future, some careless individual will post a silly comment that involves no logical argument but merely insults and smack, nexa will ofcourse respond to this issue and most likely try to revive old threads that have indeed been solved aswell as try to carry on this thread. Most of the reader base that was involved at the start of the thread has indeed moved on, most of the people involved in the incidents nexa keeps shouting about have, yes, you guessed it - moved on.
I don't see the need to read this or respond to this, it's now just turning into a forum smack thread like soo many others that we can do without.
Yours
Dik
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