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ChipMo
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2012.02.14 22:08:00 -
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Surely we have learnt by now, nationalism never ends well.
*ChipMo sighs...
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ChipMo
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2012.02.15 13:46:00 -
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Senn Typhos wrote:
Coming from an anarchist, warnings of future detriment are meaningless.
Oh, I wouldn't expect, or want you to take my word for it. All you need do is open your eyes and take a fresh look for yourself. When has nationalist fever ever ended in anything but disaster of one sort or another?
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ChipMo
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2012.02.15 19:13:00 -
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Senn Typhos wrote:
Nationalism has constructed the four major nations, debates about their standings and superiority aside.
Four major nations? Are you talking about the Caldari State, Minmatar Republic, Gallente Federation & Amarr Empire?
While I'm sure they each have nationalist minorities and extreamists within them; they can hardly be credited with each races reletive success. The clues to the driving political forces of each is kind of given away in their taken names...
Sansha's Nation, now thats a shining example of a nationalist entity at its pinicle. |
ChipMo
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2012.02.15 20:02:00 -
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Senn Typhos wrote:
It is strange that I even need to define this to another pilot, but the four nations recognized by CONCORD are the State, Federation, Empire and Republic, to clarify your confusion.
The fact that these four exist is the result of individuals organizing under given cultural principles. There are minority groups in all, but the nations are governed by the dominant cultural architecture. While the definition of a "nation" may be stretched at times, the pirate nations can fit under the basic definition, depending on certain variables.
I think we have our wires crossed. I have been talking about nationalists and nationalism. ie: The devotion and loyalty to one's own nation, the policy of asserting the interests of one's own nation, viewed as separate from the interests of other nations or the common interests of all nations.
This is not the case for the Caldari, Gallente, Minmatar, even Amarrians. It is however, a pretty accurate description of the Sansha's view of New Eden.
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ChipMo
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2012.02.15 22:19:00 -
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Senn Typhos wrote:
I don't see the difference between your definition of nationalism and that of patriotism, which is certainly not a negative aspect. It is the foundation of a healthy society.
Well I think it may be worth your while finding out the differences. The most obvious I mentioned in a previous post, a patriot is not necessarily ignorant of shared interests, where a nationalist is.
Speaking personally, I view the patriot as a little naive but mostly harmless. Nationalism is just down right dangerous.
*ChipMo Shrugs..
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