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Cearain
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Posted - 2012.02.07 20:43:00 -
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Very few communities were as fractured as the faction war crowd. Hans managed to find the commonality and propose things that pretty much everyone agrees on.
Yet considering the views of others in low sec and several in null, I have no doubt that the majority of his vote will come from outside faction war. His goals for low sec will resonate well beyond faction war.
The last csm did some things well but when it came to low sec ideas they were mostly silent. Judging from the few comments that did make it into the minutes, silence is the best we can hope for from them. The mindset is just too different.
Most of the things that most non-faction war low sec players dislike about faction war Hans, and fw players themselves, also dislike. So even the things he addresses within faction war will be big pluses for those who don't do faction war.
Moreover I think there will be lots of null sec players who are tired of the slow pace and would love to see ccp work toward the goals he sets forth. The general foundations of sov null sec require a certain mechanics (slow ass timers, blobs etc.) that yield allot of boring game play. Players invested allot of time to acquire those areas so before they lose them they need ample opportunity to defend. This is understandable, but it still means allot of boring down time.
Low sec and npc null sec are pretty much free from that burden. Things can happen faster, be more dynamic and action packed. I think there are allot of people in all areas of space that would like ccp ot work toward that.
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Cearain
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Posted - 2012.02.08 13:23:00 -
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Tsubutai wrote:You wrote a 20 page pdf with, like, 50 references to the mittani. Uh..... wow.
Has anyone on csm 6 differentiated themselves from the mittani on any low sec issue? When it comes to low sec the mittani= csm6. And when it comes to low sec mittani has been fairly straight forward in saying he had nothing to offer.
Since Mynxee was chair did anyone do anything for low sec? All of her momentum that she built for low sec and all of the work she did to try to get things going has been squandered on csm6. Hans is the person who has demonstrated he will pick up that thread and work with the low sec community just like he has with the fw community.
If anything I know about tuskers is true, then Hans should get your vote. You may not like certain particular ideas (for example I think the gcc should be 3 minutes not 10) but the overall goals like this:
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: -Send the message that we want more activity in lowsec, but not more blobbing!
-Send the message that we culturally disdain the drama that complicates 0.0 warfare!
-Send the message that we are not a test bed for nullsec sovereignty improvements!
-Send the message that we are not here to be GÇ£co-optedGÇ¥ by nullsec groups!
are hard to refute.
Hans has researched the community and found the ideas that players want. ThatGÇÖs what mynxee was all about too.
I mean if hans is going to be asked to go to a csm summit and the only thing dealing with low sec is FW will be crammed in with a bunch of other GÇ£little thingsGÇ¥ he will do something about it.
Mynxee and csm 5 was pretty clearly told by ccp that they werenGÇÖt going to work on low sec or fw for 18 months. CSM5 and mynxee said well I think that is a horrible idea but eventurally determined that nothing they could do at that time would change ccp. So they just put that in the minutes and basically said good luck to the game.
Many on the csm 5 saw the game was heading down a crap path so pretty much unsubbed. The players didnGÇÖt see it so clearly although there was some uproar at those minutes. However after several crap expansions what they predicted came true. Eve languished and players unsubbed.
Now Mittani claims I am a GÇ£screecher.GÇ¥ Yet if we are to do some GÇ£realtalkGÇ¥ we will see that not only was failing to listen to csm 5 bad for the players it was bad for ccp. It was not until the situation became so dire that they had to layoff 20% of their staff worldwide before they finally realized they canGÇÖt just let eve sit.
http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/10/19/ccp-layoffs-affect-20-of-worldwide-staff-company-focusing-on-e/
Now just before this time Mittani was writing articles GÇ£in defense of incarna.GÇ¥ Why was he defending the worst expansion ever? Politics. If he scratches ccpGÇÖs back they will play up csm and make him look good. And that happened. Look at how happy csm and ccp were with eachother early on. CSM even played damage control at the emergency summit. Look at the meetings with mittens and ccp employees on youtube trying to reassure player the game isnGÇÖt going to ****. In exchange CCP was all happy to claim csm has done all sorts of wonderful things. The circle jerk they had going on alienated allot of players from both csm and ccp.
It wasnGÇÖt until these bad decisions (that csm5 decried back in june 2010) took such a hold on ccpGÇÖs financials that no one could deny the stupidity any longer, that mittens finally admitted that ccp needs to work on EVE. When was that goonion address? Sept or October of 2011?? ThatGÇÖs over a year after csm 5 already called that one.
Well better late than never. But really we donGÇÖt need politicians like that. And sadly no one in csm 6 ever stepped outside of mittenGÇÖs lockstep.
We need people who like mynxee will listen to the players and if ccp chooses to ignore them will let the players know that in no uncertain terms. This is the best for the players and the best for ccp.
IGÇÖm not saying Hans has done as much for eve as mynxee has but he is a newer player, than she is, and has already demonstrated he is willing to do that sort of work GÇô if he is given the chance. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:44:00 -
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I'm sure reading facts about your csm6 and how it compared with Mynxee's csm 5 must seem unpleasantly screechy to you. But that doesn't really address the truth of what I said.
Despite your put downs to Mynxee and csm 5 they actually worked for the players.
Your csm 6 seemed to have very little connection to the players. It did seem to be connected to you at the hip though. Its going to be hard for them to claim otherwise although I think they will.
Hans will have nothing to gain from talking with you during this election. What are you going to do give him more advise to stop trying to get a broader vote than the faction war crowd?? Yeahright. Not everyone is as dumb as the people you typically tell what to do.
Thats not to say he won't work with you, if he is elected but you are correct you and hans pretty much have different constituants and therefore different issues.
CCP will know that as well. If Hans doesn't make it on CSM, then CCP will know they don't have the benefit of anyone who represents low sec. If hans makes it they will likely listen to him much more than you about low sec issues. And it will be vice versa about null sec.
Now that CCP is considering improving eve again its time to get people like Mynxee back on the csm. I think Hans fits that bill better than anyone else running.
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Cearain
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Posted - 2012.02.08 20:38:00 -
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Indeed there was a difference between the CSM5 that mynxee ran and CSM6. Mittani drew the line in the sand himself when he denounced the CSM5 by saying this about csm 5:
"GǪ. the war against drooling hisec missionrunners, lowsec k/d pirates, and 'elite pvp' nullsec nonsovholders is only beginning; it is CSM time, and the current crop of idiots is looking to ruin everything we know about sovereign space despite having never lived there themselves.We are now uniting with our allies (and even our nominal foes) to ensure that the Nullsec Bloc seizes control over the CSM, Jump Bridges aren't removed from the game, and that CCP is forced to get a clueGǪGǪ. In this past year, CCP claims they have begun to 'listen' to the CSM, and what a time to listen. Most major nullsec alliances gave up on the CSM ages ago, and this year-long term is full of nobodies and carebears."
I think CSM5 with mynxee as chair (what the mittani refers to as a "crop of idiots") did a really good job trying to find out what players wanted and communicating with players what they were doing. CCP would have done well to listen to them but learned some lessons the hard way.
Like Mynxee who did a low sec idea scale and other round table disscussions, Hans is very much involved in the community and trying to understand where player consensus is so that it can be taken to ccp. CSM 6 I'm sorry to say has done very little to actually interact with players.
CSM 5 used to post the raw logs of what was discussed at meetings and who said what. Now we get these lame minutes that tell us very little about what the individuals on csm are actually promoting.
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Cearain
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Posted - 2012.02.09 03:12:00 -
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VCBee 2fast2furious wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:I would just like to say this is a good post. I support what Cearain says here and I do believe that CSM 7 needs a break with the style of CSM 6. . Perhaps they could take a leaf out of CSM 1's book and spend their entire term squabbling like 4 year olds and achieving nothing of any substance whatsoever?
Is someone from CSM 1 running for CSM 7?
If not then arguing about what CSM1 did or didn't do is completely irrelevant to the question whether hans should get your vote for csm 7 - and therefore this thread.
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Cearain
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Posted - 2012.02.09 18:22:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:War Kitten wrote: So my questions are thus...
When other members of CSM7 that play the game in discord with your world views on what is the right way to pvp disagree with your ideas about changes to high sec or lowsec rules and have alternate ideas, how will you react?
Reposting my questions and waiting patiently.
Hans I can answer this based on what I have seen hans actually do - which is probably more important than what any politician claims they will do. If someone disagrees with him and has alternate ideas he first listens to what they are saying and tries to make sure he understands what they are saying. I have seen this time and again.
Once he understands what they are saying then his reaction will be dependant on what is said. Its not like he has the same reaction to every idea that is different than his own some ideas are good some are bad. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
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Posted - 2012.02.09 23:47:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Xorv wrote:You also went on to list possible means for Corps to avoid Wardecs: Quote:I have heard several, straightforward approaches to solving this issue, all of which have merit and are worth serious consideration. One approach would be to enable victimized corporations to simply bribe CONCORD, driving up the cost of war to the declaring corp. This would give true carebear corporations the opportunity to spend the wealth they accumulate to make bothering them much more costly. War fees could also simply rise each week if not declared mutual, making prolonged predatory harassment economically unsustainable. All this is very troubling Hans, unless it's matched by moving all valuable PvE content out of High Sec where Wardecs and suicide ganks are not required. . Not to mention it's incredibly harsh on newbies and highsec starter corps full of inexperienced players. Under Hans' system, the ultra-wealthy targets never have to deal with PvP, because all the griefer/PvP targets will focus their efforts on blasting away the younger corps who can't cough up the cash for the 'CONCORD bribe'. Even moreso I mean because NPC corps will still be available. Under the current system, people can cowardly exploit into a decshield regardless of isk or SP - changing it so only poor players have to worry about the cost of nonconsensual PvP isn't a better solution imho.
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Cearain
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Posted - 2012.02.11 17:50:00 -
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Seleene wrote:Well, I guess one way to explain my opinion on this is, seeing as how I sat right next to CCP Greyscale when FW was being implemented (he did most of the work on it), I think I've got a fair handle on where FW was supposed to end up versus what it's languished as over the years. It's really one of the great tragedies of EVE what a step-child FW has been. That being said, you've singled out two statements so let's look at them.
Selene First let me say thank you for posting in this thread in a constructive way. I voted for you and I think you can be a real asset to ccp and the players.
Two points on what you say here:
1) If you know about faction war by sitting next to greyscale etc, where it was supposed to be etc. and think its a tragey that it wasn't worked on then why did you never seem to push for it in your term? Why didn't you engage the fw community more? Your failure to do this and your suggestion that it should be turned into a testbed for null sec send a message that you don't think the failure to work on fw was a "tragedy" at all. In fact it suggests you think it was a minor problem.
2) This may actually answer the first question for you. But what faction war was intended to be in 2008 may no longer be relevant to what it should be now. For example it seems the original plans for fw had npcs/rats playing a considerable role. But now Eve has many new ways for people to play the game if they want to shoot rats. They now have sleepers and incursions etc. So the niche of players who want more ways to shoot red xs seem to have gotten some love. But the players who want more small scale pvp have not had their needs addressed.
So when you say this:
Seleene wrote: As for the second statement you quoted, I can't really see how or why you wouldn't want improved NPC interactions in FW. I mean, do you want the way you deal with the NPC Empires to remain exactly as they are now? Don't you want those opportunities and processes to evolve and improve? v0v
It seems if people want to interact with npcs more they can already do it allot of different ways in eve. Most fw players are now looking for small scale pvp not pve.
Seleene wrote: The first is a pretty general answer / opinion and I made it because of the way that game mechanics tend to evolve. My answer was made because I believe it reflected what is most likely to take place and how I believe we'll get the most bang for our buck so to speak. It's highly doubtful that you are going to see CCP invest significant resources into improving two completely different, parallel territory systems. They are going to look for ways to use their resources most efficiently so it only makes sense that as they finally start to iterate on FW that those guys will also be involved in peer review of any null-sec sov changes and vice-versa.
I think your talking about using fw as a test bed. Where I disagree with your thinking here is you seem to assume that there is a single perfect mechanic that ccp should strive for. But there isn't. Different players want different things in this game.
Some want politics and think eve politics are great. Others think they are lame. Some think spying is great others think spying in eve is lame. There is no right or wrong answer here any more than its right to say people should like baseball more than football. If we change the rules of baseball to be a testbed for new football rules how do you think baseball fans will feel? (Actually thinking about that it might be pretty fun but I hope you still get my point.)
Now you say they need to conserve resources. Well I tend to disagree. If they want to grow this game they need to develop the game for several different playerbases. Null sec is for the more hard core players who can deal with a high maintance computer game. Low sec and fw should be for a more casual player who loves the single shard nature of eve and loves the consequences that come with pvp but can't commit the real life time. I really think abandoning the second group to conserve resources to chase after the first group is bass ackwards. The second group will probably yield a much larger number of players.
But there is another reason that resource efficiency argument is unpersuasive. FW is almost there! ItGÇÖs really very close to being awesome. It wonGÇÖt take allot of resources. I never met anyone who has really been able to pvp using the plex mechanics who doesnGÇÖt see its great potential. Yeah there are issues but people who have tried it can see how it can be awesome. ItGÇÖs just not generating *enough* of the pvp we love. It needs iterations not abandonment in favor of something that might work in null sec.
Spending time on fw is not the same as spending time on WIS that really has no gameplay. FW has great gameplay if they get it working. It is a Maserati that currently doesnGÇÖt run because it needs some gas and a few new sparkplugs. After that ccp should give it oil changes every 30k miles. But donGÇÖt replace it with some sort of Caterpillar tractor that you think the null sec players might want.
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Cearain
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Posted - 2012.02.12 02:24:00 -
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Harrigan VonStudly wrote:I try to hold out as long as possible (that's what she said) when it comes to political rhetoric and campaigning. I have learned that throwing your support towards someone publicly too early can and often times lead to a misstep. You think the candidate "is" what you are looking for then things develop and change.
I blogged about my willingness to support someone who was willing to work on behalf of the low sec community and continue to stand behind that. While I am a nobody in the game I stand by my convictions, my interest in this game, and those who have the same views as myself. While I agree there is much to be improved and explored in all facets of Eve I want to keep my support close to home.
I will continue to monitor all channels of communication regarding the CSM candidates but at this time I am heavily leaning towards supporting Hans with every vote I have personally as well as every vote I can garner to pull his way.
Sensible view that you have.
I would also encourage you to look at what the candidates have done before "campaign time" as well. I actually wonder if some of the candidates knew were these boards were before a week ago - but whatever.
With respect to hans you may want to take a look at the faction war thread he started in eve general as sort of a case in point of how he works. Faction war has always been a hotbed of argument and bitter disagreement when it comes to how it should be adjusted. Over the years, untold number of fw threads have ended with warring parties shouting accusations at eachother with no real progress made.
I think you will see that Hans really worked to keep players focused on what they want and what can help faction war.
I think you will also find that the vast majority of the people who were hung up on disagreements with others in that thread are here supporting hans. That speaks volumes for his inclination and ability to really get to the common things people want and express it.
But really see for yourself. See what the candidates actually have done to try to find out what players want and interact with them. Not just what they claim they will do come election month. The forums have allot of issues but one nice thing about them is you can see past posts from people.
Hans really worked with and listened to players and now has 20 pages of great ideas for low sec and high sec, that he can bring to ccp if he is elected. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
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Posted - 2012.02.13 14:47:00 -
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Courthouse wrote:Hey yo Hans, you're going about this all the wrong ways. The CSM needs a good faction warfare dude and you're probably the best candidate to handle this, but you've got to focus your campaign on that, inspire your base and start figuring out ways to work with the guys who are going to be on the council, like mittens and seleene instead of setting up this confrontational posturing bullshit because you want to be the anti-goon.
CSM 6 got **** done because the personalities behind it understood how to make friends and influence people. Worry about other CSMs motivations when you get on the council, see how they work and can call them out on it there. Don't waste your opportunities with tinfoil hattery before you land the spot.
For myself I don't dislike goons or csm6. But they don't steer ccp correctly for the low sec or high sec crowd. Adding drama to faction war? Couldn't anyone form csm have spoken up and said "maybe the players in low sec don't really want the drama"? Making faction war a testbed for null sec? I haven't heard anyone from csm6 admit these are bad ideas and they should have advised ccp that but failed. In fact csm 6 seems to generally be sticking to these bad proposals.
Its nothing personal its just that what many on csm 6 thinks is good for empire isn't what those players want. And frankly since CSM6 never seems to take the time to engage the players to find out what they want, it shouldn't be that surprising.
Mittens and others on csm6 often admit they don't represent low/high sec and empire needs someone. Yet they refuse to clearly abandon their proposals that miss the mark for those sections of space.
Its nothing against goons its just that the proposals are bad.
As far as getting "**** done" I don't know what you think they did.
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Cearain
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Posted - 2012.02.13 14:54:00 -
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Courthouse wrote:Veshta Yoshida wrote:CSM6 got stuff done because they just happened to be around when CCP not only dropped the ball but deflated it, sold it off, lost it and replaced it with a blunt spork. Had the Incarna release (read: NeX) not been such a load of crap as to generate resentment across all player groupings, CSM6 would have gone down in history as the "Barbie Council" .. just sayin' PS: Does that mean the Mitten would have been SpaceKen? .. hahahahaha. Might want to watch the video from the emergency summit and read the devblogs again. CCP credited the current CSM, both participating members who went to Iceland for the summit and those who didn't go but contributed through their forums and the skype chat for their work in steering the wayward ship back on course.
You might want to read "in defense of incarna" where mittens defends what is likely the worst expansion in eve history.
And of course ccp is going to credit csm left and right. Do you expect ccp to say that csm is a waste and they don't bother to listen to the player elected csm?
The last csm basically told ccp they were going down the wrong path and many ended up leaving. The fact is it was the last csm that was more in touch with the players than csm6. CCP and CSM finally recognized this very late in the game. Not listening to csm5 sooner cost CCP about 20% of its workforce.
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Cearain
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Posted - 2012.02.16 12:20:00 -
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Mortromain wrote:Hi Hans,
I just read your pdf and tried to read all your intervention on this post. While i like some things (farming SS only in low sec is a great idea), i have an awful feeling about your SS system changes
In your pdf, it seems like you want to make the low sec a wide place for free for all FW : PvP without consequences.
I don't think many people in low sec are deterred from ganking you due to the anti-pvp ss mechanics. Either they have decided they will not shoot neutrals, or they likely blow up your ship if they think they can get away with it.
Also he is not trying move all of low sec to the sisi. Ships and modules will still cost isk so PVP will still have consequences.
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Posted - 2012.02.16 14:20:00 -
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Mortromain wrote:Cearain wrote: I don't think many people in low sec are deterred from ganking you due to the anti-pvp ss mechanics. Either they have decided they will not shoot neutrals, or they likely blow up your ship if they think they can get away with it.
Also he is not trying move all of low sec to the sisi. Ships and modules will still cost isk so PVP will still have consequences.
I aggree that people in low sec already made their choice about whether they will shoot neutral or not. However, they will either have to forget about high sec at some point or to stop. and many people don't come to low sec because of this SS system. These changes might make casual piracy too easy. This could be good (i mean more people = more fight), but low sec should be a place where people live, not some sort of toilets where people come doing **** and leave. I'm afraid of a lowsec becoming as dangerous as nullsec. FW already is an arena for consensual PvP.
I think you are probably right that this will bring more people into low sec looking for pvp. This in turn might mean that pvers will have more people looking to kill them per system. That would likely mean somewhat fewer pvers. I tend to think it would be a net increase for low sec though.
However if this happens ccp could do at least 2 different things to offset this. 1) they could make more low sec systems like they did with black rise. This would mean there are no longer more people per system and pvers could still find a quieter system for pve. 2) They could give some increases in the rewards pvers get in low sec.
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Posted - 2012.02.20 06:28:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Seismic Stan wrote: Essentially, should those players who seek a more immersive storyline-driven experience look elsewhere and leave EVE to be the dominion of the e-sports PvPers?
Should player-driven content be the only content?
Absolutely not. I think it is a tremendous waste of all the creativity that went into EvE's lore to not develop the story lines of the various empires and pirate factions in parallel to the stories the players create themselves. Yes, even the prepackaged content (Chronicles, novels, etc) delivered by CCP enriches the universe in a way that's meaningful to many players. .....
I think ccp has to recognize why the lore perhaps doesn't catch on much. It's not that people no longer have an interest in this genre of science fiction. IMHO it's that eve lore in particular is a bit cliche.
We have the religious nutjobs who are out to enslave a whole race (lol) for religious reasons.
We have the freedom fighters of that race
We have the capitalist pigs.
And we have the Pseudo-French.
I don't really have good answers for this because I am not a good writer either. But maybe when jovians are discovered they will be from earth and tie things back to real world things. Like real religions and real issues of capitalism versus socialism etc. This new information from the jovians could cause some splintering in the factions. New scriptures, new constitutions, new histories or whatever people value, because the current set doesn't really draw people.
I don't really know that I have this right. That idea might have problems as well. The only thing I can say is I really like science fiction and I really like eve. But I can't get into eve science fiction. I'm not the only one. For being a "Role playing" mmo there are very few role players. I don't mean to derail the thread but why does eve fiction not draw a better crowd?
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Posted - 2012.02.22 19:03:00 -
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HELIC0N ONE wrote:'Sov for actively living in the system' has been advocated frequently before and it always falls down on the idea that taking sov becomes a matter of out-PvEing the hostile forces rather than killing them. If we're going to have plexing races where the force that shoots the most NPC-spawned sov towers gets system control, why not go the whole way and make sovereignty mining too?
But hey, lets all be chill and not derail Hans' (mostly positive) thread too much.
I'm not really sure what drives null sec wars but it seems lately there is very little to drive wars. It seems everyone in sov null sec feels (I suspect correctly) that it is more advantageous to be at peace than at war.
Perhaps they need to implement something that is sort of the opposite of the above. The longer you live off the resources of a system the less you get. You more or less milk the system dry and have to move on. So you are better off constantly fighting over new and less used systems.
It could be a matter of 1)how much different areas are farmed and 2)who is farming it.
1) So the more you carebear your system the less it pays until you go conquer new systems.
2) A new conquering alliance would get better profit off the same area than the former alliance was. The longer you are in the same system the less you get. You need to keep moving to new areas to exploit like Genghis Kahn did.
Yes this might mean larger alliances would break into smaller alliances and rotate them to get these bonuses. But isn't that somewhat good in general? And even so CCP could do allot to mitigate that or make that more difficult. For example if new arriving alliance had set the former alliance blue in the last 5 months there would be no increase from the rotation. I know this may just be annoying but wouldn't it lead to some mistaken kills and possibly unrest between friendly alliances that live close by? WouldnGÇÖt this hurt the traditional NBSI?
Or perhaps they would require some sort of destruction to occur in the systems before the system is boosted for the new conquerors. Or they could make it a combination of different factors that all tend to suggest the system was actually fought over and therefore should pay out much more.
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Posted - 2012.03.02 16:43:00 -
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Jonathan Ferguson wrote:The message here is good. The messenger, not so much.
'99%ers I represent you!' is a good rallying cry, but back it up with past posts. Where were you during the summer of rage? What were you saying then? Do you really care about EVE or are you just hoping that enough people dislike Alex that you'll snag a free trip to Iceland?
If you're the next Mynxee or Teadaze, you should have plentiful old posts we can read to back up that assertion.
I think hans has been more engaged with the community than any csm candidate since Mynxee or Teadaze. Take a look at his posts in the faction war thread. Yes that is what he has focused on - it is a large part of the game and more importantly he worked with the players to come up with concrete ideas and more general ideas to offer ccp that will make it bigger better and overall a big boon to all of eve.
I don't think any csm candidate in the history of the game has created the sort of consensus of players for how to ccp should iterate on a large feature in eve.
Again I encourage you to read the thread where he started teasing out ideas about faction war from the players. Look at all the arguing and initial disparaty in that thread. Then look and see that even people who were basically just calling eachother names in that thread still are supporting Hans here because he pulling together the best ideas and capturing the spirit of what we want out of eve more than anyone else.
Hans can do that with many different parts of the game too. How do I know? Because these weren't his ideas he was pushing. He was listening to players asking questions about what they wanted, challenging them to think about other points of view, and trying to encapsulate the upshot of those discussions. That methodology can be used in any area of the game.
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Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
One of the advantages I will bring to CSM 7 is my relative youth as an EvE player. Being just over 2 years old as a player has inoculated me from GÇ£bittervetGÇ£ status, and I think a fresh perspective that is sympathetic to newer players with fewer skillpoints would greatly benefit the diversity of the next council. I soundly reject The MittaniGÇÖs belief that the CSM only functions effectively when it is filled with candidates who view the game through the lens of 0.0 space.
So people should vote for you because of your lack of insight? Also eve based twitter account is pretty LOL
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Courthouse wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Faction Warfare is just that - warfare. It's not about empire building, resource managment, logistics chains, or even a sense of permanency. If you read the lore, the militias are a legally *tolerated* defense group, born out of emergency need and are not the military themselves. We are essentially the xenophobic and patriotic crazies hanging out on the borderlands anxious for anything we can justify shooting without actually breaking the law. As actvitiy has dwindled over the years, we nowadays hardly even care about the law anymore.
Faction Warfare occupancy mechanics should revolve around fleet combat victories, not structure shoots. This isn't about what the null community has been asking for since Dominion, its about what the low sec community has been asking for since Empyrean Age. If null residents want occupancy to include revolve around structures, dreadnoughts, and POS shoots, GREAT!! I'm happy to support those changes as long as they apply to 0.0. Forcing null mechanics on a crowd that doesnt appreciate them is not only illogical, its dangerous in terms of customer retention. I'd hate to see another mini-Incarna rage summer because CCP didn't listen to the thousands of players enlisted in Faction Warfare. Look, you need to put 5 minutes of preparation into these tirades of yours before you launch off on a tear and tell me what's up. My warning is because I want the level-headed Hans on the CSM, not the irrational circlejerk cult of personality that you're becoming. Think about it for a moment: Ship battle victories = FW capture mechanic: Okay, GSF will go join Caldari militia and rampage through all other lowsec systems in odd hours raping anything with a signature radius and then coordinate the caldari militia to not be in lowsec for the next 20 hours, boom, caldari militia wins.
You guys won't do that. Who would tend all your carebear fields? But if you did then you would get a medal - Yay! - and you would then move on. The war would then continue.
If you stuck around long then ccp could use one of several different ways to address large imbalances in the militia forces. This could include allowing one side to bring larger ships in the smaller plexes or several other ideas.
People have thought about faction war and how it could work. Your thoughts on faction war are in their infancy. I encourage you to learn about it. Perhaps allot of you goons will realize its a great part of the game and start playing it.
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Courthouse wrote:Vordak Kallager wrote:Honestly, Mr. Courthouse, you have consistently demonstrated that you have no idea what FW players ACTUALLY want, you just complain about how Hans is jeopardizing his campaign by not tailoring his ideas to the Nullsec bloc. Which is ridiculous. He isn't a Nullsec bloc candidate, if you haven't noticed. You cry out "I'm just trying to help you Hans!" but your "help" is a) not helpful and b) unwanted. No, I followed what you guys were talking about, but let's be honest, you guys are idiots. if you guys had a working idea between the 30 of you you'd have managed to be 1) successful at rallying support well before this point 2) a working relationship with the CSM 3) jobs as developers. The point here is to increase the cooperation towards a workable goal, not let you all get carried away jerking each other off because you've got a popular candidate.
The goal is to improve low sec and empire in general. That goal will be achievable if we elect hans. So, yes, lets work together and vote for him.
Now that you guys have had mittens in csm I'm sure you are all now happy with null sec right? I mean you keep saying he was super effective.
Null sec is definitely not of interest to me. It seems pretty boring and uneventful in null sec from what I am reading. But if you guys think he did such a great job wielding all his influence then I can only assume you are happy. Help us get someone who can help our part of the game. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Marlona Sky wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Ok sure it might have been brought up, but ill ask anyways.
Hans,
I see other threads mention you represent faction warfare. Mittani has stated he wants faction warfare to be a test bed for null sov mechanics. What are your thoughts about this? Faction Warfare improvements should ONLY developed according to what works for Faction Warfare. If it works elsewhere, I don't care what they eventually do with FW mechanics out in null. I'm just adamant that they need to completely ignore what's good for null sec when making FW adjustments. The cultures are too different and trying to compromise will likely result in a system that fails to meet the specific needs of the Faction Warfare community, who deserve their own unique and highly functional set of game play tools. While I agree, I am curious how you plan on changing Mittani's mind?
I don't think ccp views mittani as relevant regarding fw. Mittani would likely agree. Ccp is smart enough to realize that eves small scale pvp is fun enough to deserve its own major mechanic. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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I haven't been this excited about Eve since ccp gave us small rigs.
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:AkJon Ferguson wrote:Probably too late to matter since voting is almost over but this guy was a hard-core, aggressive CCP apologist last summer. It's sickening to read some of his old posts (like the one where he says the Fearless article is fake.) If everyone had been the sycophant he was, we wouldn't have had Crucible, which was a step in the right direction (albeit a small one.) I don't see what qualifies him to lead the revolution. Of course, I turned out to be wrong, and that moment single-handedly changed my perspective on CCP, how much we can trust them, and how grounded they were in what the players actually wanted for their own game.
Great response. I'm glad when you found out it wasn't fake, you didn't react like a certain csm delegate and tell everyone basically "yeah ignore that memo."
Also keep in mind there is no person called ccp. There are lots of people at ccp, and everyone I dealt with either gm or dev I have found to be extremely honest. Plus they made a great game.
I know allot of people will disagree with this but, much of the rage was spawned due to their effective communication and brutal honesty about the disagreeable direction they were taking the game. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Yes, of course, just about everyone in faction war wishes he made it in the top 7.
But in fact it won't make *any* difference. He will still be able to participate and he will still be the only one who can speak from extensive experience about faction war. Elise Randolf is the only other person who I think has any significant experience with it, and I think he is likely after the same things Hans is after.
So the fact that he is in the bottom seven I don't think will make any difference.
No one knew who he was 6 months ago compared to many of the more common eve personalities that couldn't get the same votes he did. Hans ran soley on his actual ideas. I think getting the votes he did speaks loads for the strength his ideas and the grassroots player support for them. CCP will be intelligent enough to listen.
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