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Poreznik
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Posted - 2007.12.26 11:38:00 -
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First of all, my main is 22 mils SP Gallente without T2 heavy drones skills, so I am therefor posting with this alt
My question is: I have HAC lvl 5, BC lvl 5 and Gallente BS lvl 4, but I am not flying an Ishtar, nor Myrmidon nor Dominix, just cause the fact I am not able to use T2 heavy drones, most powerfull drones I can use are Hammerheads II, and mybe Ogre I, but I dunno what's better of those 2. Should I be brave enough to fly Ishtar with Hammerheads II, or just to wait till I finish more important skills and then focus on Ogre II? |
Shereza
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Posted - 2007.12.26 12:02:00 -
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Dude, do what you want, not what others say you should do (unless they actually have the authority to tell you what to do). Just do whatever lets you have fun.
T1 to T2 is a pretty nasty DPS jump for ogres but while most people say T2 T2 T2 T2 I find T1 to work decently enough.
Of course I'm mainly PvE and I'm presuming you're looking at PvP aspects so your mileage will vary, not the least reason of which being the DPS. I'm sure the 20% higher MWD and orbit speeds on T2 drones will be a much bigger PvP factor than PvE, at least in terms of raw survival and not "how soon do I get my monies?"
Oh, and on the myrmidon? Use 2 ogres, 2 hammerheads, 1 hobgoblin if you want maximum DPS. If you want even droning use 5 hammerheads. Either way you'll get more DPS than with just 3 ogres of the same tech level. I think 5 hammerheads do about 62% of the 5 ogre DPS and the 2/2/1 setup does 68%, give or take.
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Culitza
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Posted - 2007.12.26 12:24:00 -
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t2 ogres are a must for Dominix and Ishtar. It will be your main weapon against bs class ships and bc also.
Even if you have drone interfacing 4 and t2 ogres, the damage is quite a lot bigger than t1 ogres with interfacing 5.
So skill up for them untill you jump into those ships, it's your main weapon type 
After that, just have fun flying ishtar ... one of the best and versatile ships in eve if you ask me. ( 2nd in my preffered list after nano-machariel which is too damn expensive :P )
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Annowyn
Purgatorial Janitors Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.26 12:29:00 -
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t1s will get it done. t2s will get it done faster. 
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Alatari
Winterdawn
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Posted - 2007.12.26 12:47:00 -
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It will depend on what you're doing- PvP or PvE.
However, there is nothing wrong with Tech I drones and equipment; a Tech I Dominix will handle most L4 missions without problems - and is a lot cheaper to replace should it all go wrong.
And just to throw some figures into the argument, using Ogre IIs with a Dominix gives me a 30% dps increase over Ogre Is (364 vs 281). Is this worth 30 days worth of training time, or would training other skills be more beneficial? Personally I wouldn't touch Tech II drones until I had Drone Interfacing V.
Finally:
 Originally by: Shereza
Dude, do what you want, not what others say you should do (unless they actually have the authority to tell you what to do). Just do whatever lets you have fun.
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Culitza
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Posted - 2007.12.26 13:04:00 -
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Dont listen to the mission-runners NOOOO :P
Use t2 drones m8. Untill then, dont fly your ishtar into pvp-solo cuz it will get blown up. 
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Unholy Scion
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Posted - 2007.12.27 00:27:00 -
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What about for amarr battleships? With the geddon and abaddon in mind are heavy or medium drones better?
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Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation
Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.12.27 00:31:00 -
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I know that the biggest thing keeping me out of an Ishtar is the fact that I can't fly T2 heavies. I'm kinda sad that I have so much time left before I can consider myself "really skilled" with drones. =(
Even Gunnery is a faster train... (for me)
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NateX
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R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.12.27 01:25:00 -
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t2 heavy drones should be considered in the same level as t2 large guns, which also require long traning :)
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Lazuran
Gallente
Time And ISK Sink Corporation
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Posted - 2007.12.27 02:04:00 -
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T2 drone skills are crucial because it's embarrassing in PVP when you whack out the T1 ones :)
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Dors Venabily
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Posted - 2007.12.27 06:05:00 -
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Originally by: Lazuran
T2 drone skills are crucial because it's embarrassing in PVP when you whack out the T1 ones :)
This made me laugh good one man 
Interfacing lvl 5 then t2 drones imho
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Shinca
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Posted - 2007.12.27 08:52:00 -
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if you have heavy drones at 4, then you would get 35% damage increase with T2 ogres compared to T1... 25% instead of 20% bonus from heavy drones, then 20% increase in base damage, on top of that 8% increase from gallente drone specialization
if you don't have drone interfacing 5, train it after you have T2 ogres, it will give you additional 11% damage bonus (2/1.8)
with all these skills the damage increase will be almost 50%, so well worth it even though it takes a while
as for using hammerheads II in ishtar, depends on what you are trying to kill, if it's a BS, you are better off using ogre 1, since they do more than 50% more damage compared to hammerheads II
also don't forget to train all the rest of drone skills to 5 ASAP |
Einstein II
Biotech Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.27 08:59:00 -
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If youre gallente spec, go for T2 heavies, its a bit of training but its worth it
Drones interfacing 5 => racial drones to 4 => heavy 5 => then BS 5 , here comes the pain train 
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Endo Dy
Gallente
Enrave
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.12.27 12:00:00 -
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Edited by: Endo Dy on 27/12/2007 12:01:49
Originally by: Einstein II
If youre gallente spec, go for T2 heavies, its a bit of training but its worth it
Drones interfacing 5 => racial drones to 4 => heavy 5 => then BS 5 , here comes the pain train
If you want to fly with the highest dmg modifier with Heavy Drones while skilling up relevant skills, the correct order is Heavy Drones V --> Racial Spec 4 --> Drone Interface V (Increase in dmg modifier for T1-->T2 > Increase in dmg modifier from Drone interface IV-->V)
To the OP: personally i wouldn't fly an ishtar without T2 Heavy Drones. It's a T2 ship; if you can' t fit the relevant T2 fitting/drones yet: fly the Vexor untill you can . Just my 2 cents.
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Atius Tirawa
Minmatar
Wreckless Abandon
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Posted - 2007.12.27 12:03:00 -
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Edited by: Atius Tirawa on 27/12/2007 12:04:40
Getting your primary and secondary wepon systems to T2 is pretty basic for pvp. So you are a Gallente pilot, thats a good pvp race, you should have T2 blasters trained up and the support skills like Controlled Bursts and such trained up to 5, your drone skills should be T2 heavy compatable with Drone Interfacing to 5 and the support skills (navigation and durabillity and such) trained to 4, you should also have your armor tanking and navigation skills high or maxed.
These are basic to your race of ship. Skipping T2 heavies is to skip out on BB sized wepons, so if you plan on using only BC or smaller classes of ships, then skip it, otherwise, train it.
For Amarr, T2 Heavies are the mainstay for Geddons, and it is definatly a good idea to have that trained, with Arbitrator class training, your drone skills should be high already. . . heavy 5 and presto, you have T2 heavies. . .
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Dzajic
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.12.27 14:32:00 -
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OK, one question. Large Hybrids 5, Sentry Drones 5, Heavy Drones 5, Gallente Cruiser 5. In which order to train them? Im still sitting in empire, but i like to believe there is some 0.0 pvp future for me. But for following several months im not moving out of empire and are going to farm cash and skill up. Based on what i hear i think that sentries are nicer for mission running? I think I'll leave T2 heavy drone skills for later...
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Segmentor
Wreckless Abandon
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Posted - 2007.12.27 14:58:00 -
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0.0 pvp? Large hybrids 5, rail spec 4 for blab warfare. By the time you get there you will have decent skills to train up medium blasters and then cruiser 5. Start toying around with the deimos. Then go for whatever you want...
Mission whoring, you're right, drones are the way to run missions for gallente, so get either heavy IIs or sentries. Mind you, if you get t2 heavies, you get a nice position in small lowsec/0.0 gang aswell, namely the dominix b4%#ñ%". Drones will become your primary waeapon , freeing up your highslots for neuts/remote reps.
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WardogX
Outkasts
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Posted - 2007.12.27 15:10:00 -
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Edited by: WardogX on 27/12/2007 15:13:19
You already know the answer to your own question. Just go ahead and train for t2 heavies and after you are done I promise you wont regret it... no matter what you decide to do in this game.
Same goes for main guns, mid and low slots... get fully t2.. nice bumps in stats... very cheap now a days.
I have t2 heavies, t2 sentry, and t2 medium's all trained in... especially on drone boats I like variety for different situations. Even on non drone boats my t2 drones gives me some welcomed extra punch... because just like you, many people don't want to waste all the time to train in t2 drones, so if you have them and they don't... you got some extra edge.
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MrTripps
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.12.27 15:23:00 -
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I bit the bullet and trained up for T2 heavies. I have never regretted it.
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Natalie Jax
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.27 16:46:00 -
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Edited by: Natalie Jax on 27/12/2007 16:49:05
Ask yourself these questions:
Do I want more DPS?
Do I use T1 Heavy Drones?
Can I afford T2 Heavy Drones?
Well, who doesn't want more DPS!! If you currently use T1 Heavies, and you can afford to buy a few sets of T2 heavies then it's not that hard of a decision. I'll point out that even now Ogre II's generally cost less than Hammerhead II's.
On a non-drone boat like the Megathron, with Drone Interfacing IV you'll get 207 dps from Ogre I's. Moving up to Ogre II's will bump that up to 280 dps. Um. That's a 35% boost in DPS from your drones.
If you wanted to hop into an Ishtar, it's even more pronounced taking you from 311 dps to 420 dps! Still the same 35% boost but a net gain of over 100 dps. They're also more durable and faster than their T1 counterparts.
Your call, but when you've got the drone-bay for 'em and you're looking for another DPS boost ... hard to go wrong.
<edit> Why would you launch Hammerhead II's when you can launch even Ogre I's unless the situation called for the smaller/faster drones? Ogre I's can dish out over 340 dps from an Ishtar, versus 230-ish from Hammerhead II's.
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Antodias
Ethically Challenged
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Posted - 2007.12.27 16:49:00 -
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It's your choice, a pvp Ishtar or Dominix with T1 drones will not be bad.
In my experience I wouldn't fly either of them solo with T2 drones.
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Sinnbad Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.12.27 23:04:00 -
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Dont undock without T2 drones (Ogres and Berserkers). Drones die easy enough. Ishtar with Hammerhead IIs is not much of a threat. Spend the 20days. Trust me nobody ever said I regret training for T2...
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LukeIamYourMother
Hedion University
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Posted - 2007.12.28 03:29:00 -
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My main is Amarr, but I had my t2 Ogres before I had t2 large lasers. There's just too many ships that benefit so much from drones, not only Gallente, and getting drone interfacing 5 is in my book a "must", along the lines of getting energy management 5, hull upgrades 5 (as armortank ofc) etc. Drones don't take near as much training as the gunnery skills so it's a 'must'-investment for sure.
Maybe it's because I'm Amarr, I'm not spoiled like Caldari and start run level 4 missions in a Drake 2-3 months after chara creation (my alt did). But there's a 'backbone' that every characters hould have, imho. Cap skills, Navigation skills, both near maxed. Tank skills light (max armor/shield depending on race, compensation at lv2 or higher). Base gunnery and/or missile skills, all support skills 3+. Drone interfacing 5 with hammerhead II's (all races) and ogre II's (gallente/amarr at least). After you got that you can start worry about optimizing whatever, or getting into shiptyp X or Y etc.
I wouldn't want to undock without the above mentioned. And as Gallente is no doubt about it, you need Ogre II's.
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