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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.27 10:00:00 -
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Edited by: Goumindong on 27/12/2007 10:06:34
Originally by: Liang Nuren The Harbinger
The harbinger doesnt have that much of an advantage against shield tanks. EMP and Phased Plasma do significant enough damage to shield tanks as it is[and still punch through armor well enough]. If the target has a EM hardener on, or is t2 caldari, the Hurricane is wholesale better. This combines with the fact that the two ships, when plated, give the Hurricane a significant advantage in dps pretty much any way you cut it.
The Hurricane does have less EHP than the Harbinger though.
Against a drake fitting LSE, LSE, inv, inv, dc with a plated harbinger and a plated drake each with 2 damage mods, and thermal drones with HMLs and d180s on the cane with 5 hobgoblins[though a harb is more likely to fit ex drones due to its high shield dps and low armor dps].
The Cane does 605 dps with RF EMP M + CN Themal Missiles The Harb does 620 dps with AN MF M
The drake has 74,998 EHP against the Cane, and 68,267 against the Harb. Now RF EMP M is 2.6% better than PP and much better on armor, so a smart choice cane which gambles on an EM hard will do a tad bit worse.
But the Harbs advantage against the un-em hardened drake is about 12.5%. Clearly a stunningly huge advantage. Not that it wont make a difference, but its not something to leap to the heavens about.
The more damage mods each fits the better the Cane does, if the drake fits an EM hard or EM rig, the phased plasma cane is going to utterly destroy the harb.
The one real thing that the harb has going for it over the cane is its extra 1000 armor and 1000 structure in exchange for 1000 shield.
edit: A PP fitted cane is only 17% behind the harbinger against that tank. But way ahead against an EM hardened tank.
edit 2: The less LSEs fitted[hard to fit a lot with an MWD iirc] lower this advantage significantly.
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Aerin Cloudfayr
Extreme Addiction Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.12.27 10:51:00 -
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man why does nobody thank their lucky stars that they don't have to reload in the middle of an engagement? Some would call it mildly annoying, quite frankly, I'll take lasers over any other gun purely cus of this. and don;t whine about cap usage, get ur skills up u *******s :P
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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.27 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Aerin Cloudfayr man why does nobody thank their lucky stars that they don't have to reload in the middle of an engagement? Some would call it mildly annoying, quite frankly, I'll take lasers over any other gun purely cus of this. and don;t whine about cap usage, get ur skills up u *******s :P
Because you typicially dont if you bother to put keep the ammo in your guns topped off.
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Ogdru Jahad
Amarr Utopian Research I.E.L. Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2007.12.27 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Kissapasi THIS IS SO WRONG!
I require DAMAGE BOOST to lasers NOW! 25% damage boost to lasers would bring amarr back from their super-nerfed status.
stop laffing , i remember when small faction beam lasers had 7.5 dam mod as a base. -
At last the Gallente can finally lay claim to saying... "my DICtor" is bigger than yours.
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Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr Do Or Die And Live Or Try The Kano Organisation
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Posted - 2007.12.27 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Aerin Cloudfayr man why does nobody thank their lucky stars that they don't have to reload in the middle of an engagement? Some would call it mildly annoying, quite frankly, I'll take lasers over any other gun purely cus of this. and don;t whine about cap usage, get ur skills up u *******s :P
Only happens in PvE, never in PvP. Might happen in fleet fights, but not in small gang skirmish.
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Aerin Cloudfayr
Extreme Addiction Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.12.27 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes
Originally by: Aerin Cloudfayr man why does nobody thank their lucky stars that they don't have to reload in the middle of an engagement? Some would call it mildly annoying, quite frankly, I'll take lasers over any other gun purely cus of this. and don;t whine about cap usage, get ur skills up u *******s :P
Only happens in PvE, never in PvP. Might happen in fleet fights, but not in small gang skirmish.
or when you're whittling down a drake's passive tank lol - but yes, was talking PVE there :P
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Helldrek Demonstar
Section Five
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Posted - 2007.12.27 14:05:00 -
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Harbinger is perfectly fine. Amarr is quite skill intensive, deal with it
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The Djego
Minmatar FORTES FORTUNA ADIUVAT CORP. Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.12.27 14:07:00 -
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There is allready a place for all the fix/boost Amarr and why needs:
look here
To finish it with an epic ending: *click* ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! |
Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2007.12.28 04:01:00 -
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Originally by: The Djego There is allready a place for all the fix/boost Amarr and why needs:
look here
To finish it with an epic ending: *click*
Yeah and the points made in that thread are so crushing that its amazing how ccp hasnt read and understood them. There are so many ships that are broken that its not funny. CCP sucks. ---------------------------------------------
[Video]The Inquisition I - Swift Justice |
Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2007.12.28 04:02:00 -
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Originally by: Helldrek Demonstar Harbinger is perfectly fine. Amarr is quite skill intensive, deal with it
You have no clue about the issues or you dont see them (wich is like not being able to spot an elephant standing on your breakfast table), deal with it ---------------------------------------------
[Video]The Inquisition I - Swift Justice |
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2007.12.28 04:14:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 28/12/2007 04:15:35
Originally by: Aerin Cloudfayr man why does nobody thank their lucky stars that they don't have to reload in the middle of an engagement? Some would call it mildly annoying, quite frankly, I'll take lasers over any other gun purely cus of this. and don;t whine about cap usage, get ur skills up u *******s :P
After spending the last three hours POS shooting in a Cyclone, I'd take reloadless weapons on it right now
Anyway, yeah, Harbringer needs a bit of love, but it is one of the better Amarr ships, and it's not *that* horrible. If it faces a plated Hurricane in a plated config, yeah, it might run into trouble (but not by a huge margin); however, against certain popular Hurricane fits it'll do great.
Rifters!
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2007.12.28 04:24:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 28/12/2007 04:15:35
Originally by: Aerin Cloudfayr man why does nobody thank their lucky stars that they don't have to reload in the middle of an engagement? Some would call it mildly annoying, quite frankly, I'll take lasers over any other gun purely cus of this. and don;t whine about cap usage, get ur skills up u *******s :P
After spending the last three hours POS shooting in a Cyclone, I'd take reloadless weapons on it right now
Anyway, yeah, Harbringer needs a bit of love, but it is one of the better Amarr ships, and it's not *that* horrible. If it faces a plated Hurricane in a plated config, yeah, it might run into trouble (but not by a huge margin); however, against certain popular Hurricane fits it'll do great.
Im hoping that people and ccp realise that most of us amarr players arent sitting in pos warfare 24/7... ---------------------------------------------
[Video]The Inquisition I - Swift Justice |
Wu Jiun
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Posted - 2007.12.28 05:26:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Im hoping that people and ccp realise that most of us amarr players arent sitting in pos warfare 24/7...
Yeah, but dude lazors have a built in dmg mod!!!111 And you can switch crystals in 1 microsecond i tell you! And huge cap sooo huge cap...
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Setana Manoro
Gallente Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.28 06:44:00 -
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Originally by: Amanda Eidolo Edited by: Amanda Eidolo on 26/12/2007 21:56:58 Boost Amarr ships, I cannot win a fight with my Harbinger vs. Hurricane. My E-morale is very low because of this.
Must be something wrong at your end, a Harbinger should mop the floor with your average Hurricane.
PS : Harbinger is one of the few Amarr ships that do not have issues, and are very good at what they do, and that is ganking, not tanking.
Rifter is not X-Wing CCP. Trinity model kinda sucks. |
Setana Manoro
Gallente Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.28 06:47:00 -
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Edited by: Setana Manoro on 28/12/2007 06:48:51
Originally by: Goumindong Edited by: Goumindong on 27/12/2007 10:06:34
Originally by: Liang Nuren The Harbinger
The harbinger doesnt have that much of an advantage against shield tanks. EMP and Phased Plasma do significant enough damage to shield tanks as it is[and still punch through armor well enough]. If the target has a EM hardener on, or is t2 caldari, the Hurricane is wholesale better. This combines with the fact that the two ships, when plated, give the Hurricane a significant advantage in dps pretty much any way you cut it.
The Hurricane does have less EHP than the Harbinger though.
Against a drake fitting LSE, LSE, inv, inv, dc with a plated harbinger and a plated drake each with 2 damage mods, and thermal drones with HMLs and d180s on the cane with 5 hobgoblins[though a harb is more likely to fit ex drones due to its high shield dps and low armor dps].
The Cane does 605 dps with RF EMP M + CN Themal Missiles The Harb does 620 dps with AN MF M
The drake has 74,998 EHP against the Cane, and 68,267 against the Harb. Now RF EMP M is 2.6% better than PP and much better on armor, so a smart choice cane which gambles on an EM hard will do a tad bit worse.
But the Harbs advantage against the un-em hardened drake is about 12.5%. Clearly a stunningly huge advantage. Not that it wont make a difference, but its not something to leap to the heavens about.
The more damage mods each fits the better the Cane does, if the drake fits an EM hard or EM rig, the phased plasma cane is going to utterly destroy the harb.
The one real thing that the harb has going for it over the cane is its extra 1000 armor and 1000 structure in exchange for 1000 shield.
edit: A PP fitted cane is only 17% behind the harbinger against that tank. But way ahead against an EM hardened tank.
edit 2: The less LSEs fitted[hard to fit a lot with an MWD iirc] lower this advantage significantly.
Hurricane shines if armor tanked with active armor tank - you know ... capless guns. Harbinger as a ganker relies on lots of damage, very fast and for that usually a passive armor setup with a plate is better - and the 3 damage mods off-c.
How can you compare them with similar fittings. Hurricane with short range guns has 5-10km effective range with Barrage M, Harbinger has 22-25km with Scorch M. They do not compare that easily, though the Cane does a very nice plated setup too.
PS: What Cpt. Branko said is pretty much spot on.
Rifter is not X-Wing CCP. Trinity model kinda sucks. |
Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.28 06:52:00 -
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Originally by: Setana Manoro
Hurricane shines if armor tanked with active armor tank - you know ... capless guns. Harbinger as a ganker relies on lots of damage, very fast and for that usually a passive armor setup with a plate is better - and the 3 damage mods off-c.
No it doesnt, the only BC that really shines in an acitve tanked setup is the Myrmidon.
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