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Torothin Paragon. Elite Space Guild 25	Posted - 2012.02.07 17:52:00 - [1] - Quote Discuss! [Pilgrim, Pilgrim] 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Warp Scrambler II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 10MN Afterburner II Tracking Disruptor II Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Small Energy Neutralizer II Medium Energy Neutralizer II Medium Energy Neutralizer II Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Hammerhead II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5 EHP: 28,991 DPS: 238 Mobility: 1,170 m/s
Amsterdam Conversations Cheesecake Starshine 89	Posted - 2012.02.07 18:02:00 - [2] - Quote Torothin wrote: Discuss! [Pilgrim, Pilgrim] 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Warp Scrambler II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 10MN Afterburner II Tracking Disruptor II Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Small Energy Neutralizer II Medium Energy Neutralizer II Medium Energy Neutralizer II Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Hammerhead II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5 EHP: 28,991 DPS: 238 Mobility: 1,170 m/s This is a bad thread about a bad ship and a bad fitting for it and you should feel bad for it.
Mfume Apocal Origin. Black Legion. 288	Posted - 2012.02.07 20:00:00 - [3] - Quote Torothin wrote: Discuss! [Pilgrim, Pilgrim] I made the mistake of buying one of these (basically the same fit except 2nd TD instead of MWD) before I had any idea what to do with it and had trouble figuring out what it was good for beyond ganking ratters. On the ganking ratters front, it was a disappointment; getting the initial tackle was easy, but about 70% of the ratters I encountered were Drakes/Tengus and my first experience with trying to kill one of those was my Pilgrim deep in structure while the Drake was only entering armor. I refit for shields, just ******* around with different fits and lost it to a stealth bomber gang v0v. tl;dr I could never figure out a role where the Pilgrim would shine.
Torothin Paragon. Elite Space Guild 25	Posted - 2012.02.07 20:22:00 - [4] - Quote I hurde u guise mad cuz bad???
Mfume Apocal Origin. Black Legion. 288	Posted - 2012.02.07 20:35:00 - [5] - Quote Torothin wrote: I hurde u guise mad cuz bad??? I was being serious. In a straight up fight, a (range-bonused) Curse is better. For ganking ratters (especially Drakes) a stealth bomber is better.
Torothin Paragon. Elite Space Guild 25	Posted - 2012.02.07 20:37:00 - [6] - Quote I know. I have only found success when the ship when I dual-box and have a Falcon complementing me. For WH PvP this is one of the best ships that there is. It's great with a Falcon.
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 759	Posted - 2012.02.07 20:43:00 - [7] - Quote Mfume Apocal wrote: Torothin wrote: I hurde u guise mad cuz bad??? I was being serious. In a straight up fight, a (range-bonused) Curse is better. For ganking ratters (especially Drakes) a stealth bomber is better. Bombers are really fragile. A set of Warrior IIs is likely to be really unpleasant. Are you running an active tanked Purifier or something? -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Ravenesa The Bastards The Bastards. 4	Posted - 2012.02.07 20:56:00 - [8] - Quote For the Pilgrim you need Recon 5. It is a ship that requires patience to fly, can dominate an opponent, but if something goes wrong you will die quickly. My hit list in the Pilgrim includes: Demios Zealot Vaga Pretty much most combat stuff cruisers and below All BC's except Drake Typhoon Malestrom And about a few hundred million ISK in people not wanting to lose their ships. I am a lowsec dweller and will pick a direction and just fly until I find some targets. The expensive version: [Pilgrim, Pilgrim] 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Internal Force Field Array I True Sansha Adaptive Nano Plating True Sansha Adaptive Nano Plating Imperial Navy Medium Armor Repairer Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Tracking Speed Disruption Domination Stasis Webifier Domination Warp Scrambler Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Medium Energy Neutralizer II Medium Energy Neutralizer II Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Medium Egress Port Maximizer I Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Warrior II x5 Vespa EC-600 x5 The low rent version: [Pilgrim, Lowsec] Medium Armor Repairer II 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Co-Processor II Adaptive Nano Plating II 10MN Afterburner II Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Tracking Speed Disruption Stasis Webifier II Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Medium Energy Neutralizer II Medium Energy Neutralizer II Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Combat Scanner Probe I Medium Egress Port Maximizer I Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Warrior II x5 Vespa EC-600 x5
Djakku Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED 37	Posted - 2012.02.07 20:59:00 - [9] - Quote I've never really had the need to fit dual-prop on a pilgrim, mwd is essential to deal with gates and camps etc, but you should be td'ing your target so much that the extra transversal an AB provides you is not needed. If you drop the AB you can fit a 3rd medium neut, which helps a lot for alpha-striking your targets cap. All this depends on what you're using the Pilgrim for, I used mine for ganking mostly.
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 759	Posted - 2012.02.07 21:01:00 - [10] - Quote Djakku wrote: alpha-striking your targets cap. This is why you stagger your neuts: http://vimeo.com/34946387 -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Ravenesa The Bastards The Bastards. 4	Posted - 2012.02.07 21:56:00 - [11] - Quote Good tune!
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 759	Posted - 2012.02.07 22:00:00 - [12] - Quote Ravenesa wrote: Good tune! Haha, thanks - I used Johnny Cash because some corpmates gave me **** about using Eminem in Amamake Fun I. I know they were looking for dubstep or techno, but nuts to that dammit! -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Mfume Apocal Origin. Black Legion. 288	Posted - 2012.02.08 00:12:00 - [13] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: Bombers are really fragile. A set of Warrior IIs is likely to be really unpleasant. Are you running an active tanked Purifier or something? MSE + DC2 Purifier w/ afterburner. On-paper the Drake should win, but it works on TQ.
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 760	Posted - 2012.02.08 00:15:00 - [14] - Quote Ah nice. I happen to know that MSE Manticore w/AB will let you survive vs a Binger if you can hug his face and avoid those nasty guns. Gonna try to get more footage and put together a solo bomber vs BC movie going. -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Jude Lloyd Heretic Army Heretic Nation 317	Posted - 2012.02.08 07:59:00 - [15] - Quote <3 Pilgrim. Heretic Army CEO Host of Frigfry Fridays http://judelloyd.blog.com/ -á
Rel'k Bloodlor Mecha Enterprises Fleet Villore Accords 127	Posted - 2012.02.08 08:43:00 - [16] - Quote Fit I'm testing now Highs Three meta 4 neuts cov op cloak Mids 10mn meta 2 MWD T2 web T2 warp disruptor Two meta 4 medium cap injectors Lows Two T2 medium repairers Two Energized adaptive nano plates Damage control unit T2 Rigs Medium Targeting System Subcontroller I Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell I Drones 5 warrior T2 5 Hammerheads 5 Infiltrator EV-600 5 Hornet EC-300 I am in Factional Warfare. Have been from day one.-á-áI will never work for a mega corp in null-sec. Do not make FW like null-sec.-áMake FW worth our time. Reword us for what we already do.Give us some more activities to do.
Wyte Ragnarok 6	Posted - 2012.02.08 12:15:00 - [17] - Quote Ooooh! A Pilgrim thread! I was thinking about buying one for solo low sec. Well... This is the fit I came up with :S bought a Low-Grade Talisman set just for shiggles as well. Not entirely sure I'm going to use it yet, but we'll see. All fits with Recon 5. Egress ports help the Talismans, so neuts get reduced cycle time (less cap for the other guy :D ) and less cap cost for you. Been looking to build on this though. I've been seeing a bit of Pilgrim hate :( makes me sad. Also, do prefer medium neuts to small neuts. Saw a couple of small neut fits around, but they only seem good for neuting small stuff :\| Can't decide if the second MAR is needed, relatively happy with the rest of the fit. Saw a probing fit in here which looks interesting. Going to play around with that... Saves having a dedicated prober... I'll just leave this here. [Pilgrim, Pilgrim MkII] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II 10MN Afterburner II Warp Scrambler II Tracking Disruptor II, Tracking Speed Disruption Tracking Disruptor II, Tracking Speed Disruption Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Medium Energy Neutralizer II Medium Energy Neutralizer II Medium Energy Neutralizer II Medium Egress Port Maximizer I Medium Egress Port Maximizer I Hobgoblin II x5 Warrior II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Vespa EC-600 x5
Torothin Paragon. Elite Space Guild 25	Posted - 2012.02.08 13:55:00 - [18] - Quote Wyte Ragnarok wrote: Ooooh! A Pilgrim thread! I was thinking about buying one for solo low sec. Well... This is the fit I came up with :S bought a Low-Grade Talisman set just for shiggles as well. Not entirely sure I'm going to use it yet, but we'll see. All fits with Recon 5. Egress ports help the Talismans, so neuts get reduced cycle time (less cap for the other guy :D ) and less cap cost for you. Been looking to build on this though. I've been seeing a bit of Pilgrim hate :( makes me sad. Also, do prefer medium neuts to small neuts. Saw a couple of small neut fits around, but they only seem good for neuting small stuff :\| Can't decide if the second MAR is needed, relatively happy with the rest of the fit. Saw a probing fit in here which looks interesting. Going to play around with that... Saves having a dedicated prober... I'll just leave this here. [Pilgrim, Pilgrim MkII] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II 10MN Afterburner II Warp Scrambler II Tracking Disruptor II, Tracking Speed Disruption Tracking Disruptor II, Tracking Speed Disruption Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Medium Energy Neutralizer II Medium Energy Neutralizer II Medium Energy Neutralizer II Medium Egress Port Maximizer I Medium Egress Port Maximizer I Hobgoblin II x5 Warrior II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Vespa EC-600 x5 That's a dead Pilgrim.
Sprite Can 5	Posted - 2012.02.08 13:58:00 - [19] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: Ravenesa wrote: Good tune! Haha, thanks - I used Johnny Cash because some corpmates gave me **** about using Eminem in Amamake Fun I. I know they were looking for dubstep or techno, but nuts to that dammit! -Liang I enjoyed the video with the Eminem tune. Refreshing Lemon-Lime~
Ravenesa The Bastards The Bastards. 4	Posted - 2012.02.08 14:48:00 - [20] - Quote Torothin wrote: Wyte Ragnarok wrote: Ooooh! A Pilgrim thread! I was thinking about buying one for solo low sec. Well... This is the fit I came up with :S bought a Low-Grade Talisman set just for shiggles as well. Not entirely sure I'm going to use it yet, but we'll see. All fits with Recon 5. Egress ports help the Talismans, so neuts get reduced cycle time (less cap for the other guy :D ) and less cap cost for you. Been looking to build on this though. I've been seeing a bit of Pilgrim hate :( makes me sad. Also, do prefer medium neuts to small neuts. Saw a couple of small neut fits around, but they only seem good for neuting small stuff :\| Can't decide if the second MAR is needed, relatively happy with the rest of the fit. Saw a probing fit in here which looks interesting. Going to play around with that... Saves having a dedicated prober... I'll just leave this here. [Pilgrim, Pilgrim MkII] That's a dead Pilgrim. Not completely dead, though I prefer to have the 800 plate over the second MAR for the buffer it gives when killing their drones, letting the neuts work, etc. Double MAR repairs more, but lacks that buffer I like. As far as flying in lowsec, these are typically the rules I follow: 1. Never engage at a celestial unless it is a very quiet system and the target has no friends with very few in local. NEVER fight on gates! 2. NPC DPS is good DPS! 3. Caracals and most missle/rocket frigs are fine to engage, you kill them quickly. Drakes, Cerbs, Tengus are a bad idea. Cruise Ravens are ok if you feel you can take them. 4. TD the target, sic your drones on their drones first, they are your biggest threat. 5. If it has turrets, kill it!
Torothin Paragon. Elite Space Guild 25	Posted - 2012.02.08 15:26:00 - [21] - Quote I sued to run my ECM drones hit a ratter at a belt neut him and jam him and let the NPC's do the DPS.
Wyte Ragnarok 7	Posted - 2012.02.08 15:48:00 - [22] - Quote Torothin wrote: That's a dead Pilgrim. So constructive. @Ravenesa: Thanks for the feedback. I'll look into fitting an 800mm plate. I pretty much know most of the rules of engagement for solo, I flew a Curse a couple of years back with a few kills in that. Also, the rigs? Good/Bad? The alternative was trimarks for some added buffer. Increases from 22k EHP with 4800 armour to 28k EHP with 6500 armour (this is with 2 trimarks and 800 plate). I guess that would help against the drone issue (which I hadn't thought about actually). Also can't decide between the second TD or a web. Theoretically, the neuts should soon enough cut out an AB, so they'll only be able to pulse it (providing they have cap boosters). And the scram is for MWD's, seeing as I'd be able to dictate initial engagement range by decloaking right on top of them. Second TD would be really amusing against turrets, and would help minimise the effect of no second MAR... Oh well, given me a few things to mull over! This is my first time fitting a Pilgrim, so thought I'd get some feedback before I flew it around. Thanks a lot :)
Ravenesa The Bastards The Bastards. 4	Posted - 2012.02.08 16:04:00 - [23] - Quote Wyte Ragnarok wrote: Torothin wrote: That's a dead Pilgrim. So constructive. @Ravenesa: Thanks for the feedback. I'll look into fitting an 800mm plate. I pretty much know most of the rules of engagement for solo, I flew a Curse a couple of years back with a few kills in that. Also, the rigs? Good/Bad? The alternative was trimarks for some added buffer. Increases from 22k EHP with 4800 armour to 28k EHP with 6500 armour (this is with 2 trimarks and 800 plate). I guess that would help against the drone issue (which I hadn't thought about actually). Also can't decide between the second TD or a web. Theoretically, the neuts should soon enough cut out an AB, so they'll only be able to pulse it (providing they have cap boosters). And the scram is for MWD's, seeing as I'd be able to dictate initial engagement range by decloaking right on top of them. Second TD would be really amusing against turrets, and would help minimise the effect of no second MAR... Oh well, given me a few things to mull over! This is my first time fitting a Pilgrim, so thought I'd get some feedback before I flew it around. Thanks a lot :) I prefer the web because it lets you go after smaller targets. Cruisers and Frigs are naturally faster, you will nail their cap quicker, but there is a chance they can get away, the web slows them down. Pilgy's also have the uncloak targetting delay so unless you are coming in hot(uncloaked) the web will help you catch back up to them if they did not warp away. Additionally once they are caught the web allows you to keep up your orbit speeds a bit better for max transversal. Combined with the scripted TD this usually lets you get under the guns of even 220's on something like a Rupture.
Torothin Paragon. Elite Space Guild 25	Posted - 2012.02.08 16:25:00 - [24] - Quote That lack of buffer on your Pilgrim will hurt you in the long run. I prefer to manage my cap and have the extra buff with trimarks as to having less energy consumption from neuts. Those who say this is a bad ship don't know how to fly it.
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard 833	Posted - 2012.02.08 17:11:00 - [25] - Quote A few points on fitting pilgrims: It's one of the few ships where mixed tank excels Dual prop is a waste of time. Yeah it's slow, but the MWD will just cap out your neuts and kills your powergrid. Here's a bit of an unconventional fit: [Pilgrim, New Setup 1] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners Tracking Disruptor II, Tracking Speed Disruption Stasis Webifier II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800 Warp Scrambler II Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I Why: An 800mm plate with two trimarks actually yields less EHP and lower speed than a 1600mm plate with current routers to provide the powergrid. The meta 4 neuts save just enough powergrid over T2 so that you can pull off the fit with perfect skills. I pick the scram over the disruptor because the web is useless at disruptor range anyway, and I need to be in close to get under their guns and use my neuts. Also, a slug like the Pilgrim needs all the help it can get in holding down its prey, and even under web a MWD can get quite a bit of speed. This fit is so close to cap stable that I consider it to be so.
Torothin Paragon. Elite Space Guild 25	Posted - 2012.02.08 18:00:00 - [26] - Quote You can't take that fit into 0.0. It will go down in a fire at the first gate camp. The dual prop is a waste of time you say? I suggest you look up this pilot on battle clinic. The dual prop serves as a second TD as well as a means to GTFO if scrammed. Hardly a waste of time. Your fit is ok but not great. It's lacking.
Scapa Solar Flare Enterprises Two Zero One One 0	Posted - 2012.02.09 01:52:00 - [27] - Quote Pilgrim easy does it: rigs: 2x trimark Lows: 2x EANM II 1x DCU II 800mm RT MAR II Med: 10Mn AB II Web II Scram II Med cap booster II (800 navy or normal) Tracking disruptor II (load tracking, keep range in cargo, you never know) high: 1x cov ops cloak 1x med nuet II 2x small nuet II Drones: Mix of hammerheads, warriors and bring 6 EC 600 as a GTFO pray and hope card if you want. This thing is easy on the sometimes hard to get booster chargers and keeps the cap down of anything you meet. Going with more medium neuts only hurts your cap and the small nuets (both of a bs, 1 on below) keeps your targets death in water and all 3 can still counter act boosting good enough. Cap is your life and your weapon so you have to use it wisely and with this fit I rarely need to use my booster more than 2 times in a fight, after that you got your target death in the water and you run cap stable without your rep and medium nuet running. Remember at all times this ship is made to attack a certain type of target taking on anything outside that is often asking for trouble. Slaves are really nice on this, giving you that buffer to get through the first bit of the fight, but if you want to keep low budget you can easily do without just mind things a little more :)
Angsty Teenager Sinister Elite 42	Posted - 2012.02.09 03:01:00 - [28] - Quote FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote: A few points on fitting pilgrims: It's one of the few ships where mixed tank excels Dual prop is a waste of time. Yeah it's slow, but the MWD will just cap out your neuts and kills your powergrid. Here's a bit of an unconventional fit: [Pilgrim, New Setup 1] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners Tracking Disruptor II, Tracking Speed Disruption Stasis Webifier II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800 Warp Scrambler II Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I Why: An 800mm plate with two trimarks actually yields less EHP and lower speed than a 1600mm plate with current routers to provide the powergrid. The meta 4 neuts save just enough powergrid over T2 so that you can pull off the fit with perfect skills. I pick the scram over the disruptor because the web is useless at disruptor range anyway, and I need to be in close to get under their guns and use my neuts. Also, a slug like the Pilgrim needs all the help it can get in holding down its prey, and even under web a MWD can get quite a bit of speed. This fit is so close to cap stable that I consider it to be so. This fit is the correct fit. MWD is uneeded. If you jump into a gate camp where you need to burn back because you think you're going to get decloaked, you're going to die burning back with a MWD--the pilgrim isn't fast enough. So no point in bringing along a mod that will be useless in all situations except burning through 50 T2 large bubbles on a gate in russian space. You should drop the T2 cap booster for meta 4 (since there is no benefit and the meta 4 can overload for longer), and then plop on a T2 AB.
NaturalBeast Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 22	Posted - 2012.02.09 03:29:00 - [29] - Quote Torothin wrote: You can't take that fit into 0.0. It will go down in a fire at the first gate camp. The dual prop is a waste of time you say? I suggest you look up this pilot on battle clinic. The dual prop serves as a second TD as well as a means to GTFO if scrammed. Hardly a waste of time. Your fit is ok but not great. It's lacking. If a Pilgrim gets caught in a gate camp, no MWD will save it. Its not a curse, range bro, range! Tacklers will be sitting outside your neut range laughing at you while you melt faster than hot butter. I thought you learned all this **** in SOT. This can't be the same Toro I knew.
Torothin Paragon. Elite Space Guild 26	Posted - 2012.02.09 13:59:00 - [30] - Quote You know it's me brosef. I'm talking about getting back to the gate and the cloaky MWD trick.

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