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Nishijima Manbeater
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Posted - 2004.03.17 23:10:00 -
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Edited by: Nishijima Manbeater on 17/03/2004 23:42:25
Energized Thermic Membrane II
Researched to ME 5
37.5% Thermal DMG Resistance
CPU 20tf
PG 4MW
Magnetic Plating II
Researched to ME 20
25% Kinetic DMG Resistance
CPU None
PG None
Make some offers.
SOLD and SOLD
P.S. Thanks for the info Morkt.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.03.17 23:24:00 -
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Why are people doing Me research on Tech II when Pe research is FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR more useful?
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Asharee Intrefer
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Posted - 2004.03.17 23:37:00 -
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Edited by: Asharee Intrefer on 17/03/2004 23:38:26
They are not good enough businessmen to value the time=money factor?
It's probably the same as those who sell stuff for less than mineral value since they think "I mined all the minerals myself, so with free minerals I'll make more profit than others!"...
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.03.18 00:25:00 -
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Sorry about hijacking the thread Mish btw... bit late but; apologies anyway.
Yeha - I've seen a lot of folks doing Me research on the T2 stuff... guess it's just a naturla continuence from Tech 1: Where Pe is useless and Me everything.
With T2 its essentially the other way around.
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Alexei Brass
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Posted - 2004.03.18 09:57:00 -
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ME requires Metallurgy V, PE requires Research V. All recipients of Tech 2 BPs have Research V. All Tech 2 researchers can improve PE.
Not all Tech 2 researchers have Mettalurgy V and therefore not all can improve ME. I appreciate the service and am more inclined to buy a ME researched BP than a PE researched one, because by default, I can do the PE myself.
There's enough time for small corps to up the PE of the blueprint a level or two while running around collecting components and minerals.
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Sofitia Mourtos
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Posted - 2004.03.18 10:26:00 -
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Yeha - I've seen a lot of folks doing Me research on the T2 stuff...
As I remember it you have a me10 signal amplifier II 
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Ray McCormack
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Posted - 2004.03.18 10:51:00 -
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It's probably the same as those who sell stuff for less than mineral value since they think "I mined all the minerals myself, so with free minerals I'll make more profit than others!"...
Hmmm... kinda like charging for a BS at the mega and zyd price (for those that mine empire), and thinking the rest was free...
Stop the numpties, they're spreading! Join the EMPFC.
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Archemedes
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Posted - 2004.03.18 11:54:00 -
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Are you saying PE research actually works now? Last time I checked it you only got about 10 seconds faster production no matter WHAT the original time was, even at PE 100+...
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Barbicane
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Posted - 2004.03.18 12:21:00 -
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Are you saying PE research actually works now? Last time I checked it you only got about 10 seconds faster production no matter WHAT the original time was, even at PE 100+...
Yes, according to yesterday's CSM chat, PE research should make a significant difference for Tech2 items.
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Barbicane
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Posted - 2004.03.18 12:27:00 -
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Alexei Brass wrote:
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...ME requires Metallurgy V, PE requires Research V. All recipients of Tech 2 BPs have Research V. All Tech 2 researchers can improve PE....
You don't need Research lvl5 to work with a research agent. (You do however need Science lvl5.) But research, being a rank1 skill, is much quicker to train to lvl5 than the rank3 Metallurgy. And since copying a tech2 BP requires you to have research lvl5, anyone in their right mind would train it before they train metallurgy...
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.03.18 12:51:00 -
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Yeha - I've seen a lot of folks doing Me research on the T2 stuff...
As I remember it you have a me10 signal amplifier II
Hehe yeah - first BP that was, noticed the uselessness of Me right there and then.
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I appreciate the service and am more inclined to buy a ME researched BP than a PE researched one, because by default, I can do the PE myself.
I think you misunderstand me.
Me on Tech 2 has practically no effect on in terms of "saving on production costs". Why? Because it never affects the component requirements... X components is always X components.
The Research time though can be 2 days per Me level though.. so an Me 10 can be 20 days of research for a net gain of, well, practically nothing at all.
Pe, on the other hand, can now save you a reasonable elvel of time. That TIME on production is FAR more worthwhile in Tech 2 because the production times are inherently longer, MUCH longer.
Saving 10 minutes on a prduction run can earn you and extra module or two in a day which can be millions in potential profit... set against the almost negligeable saving from Me it is far more worthwhile.
So, yes, its 'nice' they researched the BP, but not relly of any benefit.
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more inclined to buy a ME researched BP than a PE researched one
Thats not valid for tech 2. An Me one with negligeable value is not worth as much as a Pe researched one... especially given that you could be talking days for a single Pe level. See waht I'm saying?
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On the other hand, the entire element of "researching" blueprints is a bit nonsensical to me. As slightly touched upon in the last CSM, research doesnt really benefit the "researchers". The maximum Me gain (benefit) on T1s comes in the first 5 cycles, there is no major benefit going beyond that. Now whilst it may be "realisitc" I don't think its good from a gameplay perspective as it rewards those who invest the minimal time and doesnt really benefit those who invest the maximum time.
The greatest Me payback comes with the shortest time investment...seems to be a bit daft to me.
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