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Ishkur
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Posted - 2004.03.18 00:10:00 -
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Okay, I'm at a loss here.
I understand why you would make it so a person could not leave the corp within 24 hours of their own volition.
But CCP, seriously. To make it so I cannot kick out a person? Are you nuts?
This needs to be fixed immediately. Seriously.
The CEO and Directors should be able to override this 24-hour waiting period. This is the most absurd thing I've ever seen.
Please fix immediately.
If I have someone in the Corp I need to remove for some serious reason, I cannot have him sitting there spamming the chat and harrassing the members for 24 hours.
Please fix this ASAP.
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Alexis Machine
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Posted - 2004.03.18 00:14:00 -
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Isn't there a / command you can use to gag him in the corp chat? I'm not sure as my corp is just me. 
You could always wait for him to undock and have the corp blow his ass up. lol.
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2004.03.18 00:14:00 -
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Unfortunalty that would open up the problems with exploiting the system as before. If a member is causing your members grief in the corp chat you can just block them and not have to listen to them.
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Hakera
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Posted - 2004.03.18 00:18:00 -
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its meant to stop war exploits...and I think you can gag people in corp chat or just get everyone to add them to block list
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Ishkur
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Posted - 2004.03.18 00:24:00 -
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You cannot block people in corp chat.
You cannot gag people in corp chat.
This is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen.
It needs to be able to be overridden. To avoid the exploit problem, simply make it so the person is blacklisted from the corp. Once fired (expelled) they cannot reapply.
If they quit voluntarily, fine, make them wait 24 hours and then they can always reapply.
I see what you're saying about not wanting to let people quit the corp to avoid a war... But to force them to stay in a corp when the corp leadership wants them out... That's bizarre, and wrong!
In this case, the benefits do not justify the costs!
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Janus Rebelknight
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Posted - 2004.03.18 00:45:00 -
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You cannot block people in corp chat.
Yes you can I have two accounts andd I have successfully blocked my alt so I know it works.
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Ganja
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Posted - 2004.03.18 00:49:00 -
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Remove the person's roles and you can kick him immediately AFAIK.
Same goes for leaving..
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Phony v2
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Posted - 2004.03.18 01:40:00 -
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You cannot block people in corp chat.
^ yeah dead wrong there. You can block people in corp chat so that you can't see them type anything. I have had it happen to me on accident. Just have everyone block the person until they are kicked.
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Ronyo Dae'Loki
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Posted - 2004.03.18 02:13:00 -
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Remove the person's roles and you can kick him immediately AFAIK.
Same goes for leaving..
Nope. 24 hours, I've tried it for a voluntary departure a week ago, he still had to wait 24 hours. Good thing we were (and are) still on very good terms.
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Mon Palae
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Posted - 2004.03.18 02:21:00 -
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Why not when you leave the corp (or are kicked out) you no longer have access to anything corp related...not the chat, not hangars, not wallet...nothing. But for game purposes you are *still* considered part of the corp from anyone else's perspective. If you really want to keep talking to the guy just create a new chat window for a day.
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Shaelin Corpius
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Posted - 2004.03.18 02:37:00 -
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Just kill the guy over and over and over and over and over and over until he logs, oh and have everyone block him so you don't see the pathetic whining.
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Arciadian
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Posted - 2004.03.18 03:59:00 -
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It would be nice if CCP would make it to where the person on queue, were automatically kicked from all corp channels but still have to wait the 24 hours to be kicked from corp itself. I think this would solve the entire problem guys.
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Zak Kingsman
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Posted - 2004.03.18 06:17:00 -
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why not make it 24 hours to JOIN a new corp rather than 24 hrs to leave the one you're in?
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.03.18 07:30:00 -
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24 hrs isn't long enough.
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McWatt
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Posted - 2004.03.18 08:01:00 -
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24 hrs isn't long enough.
seconded. would make this a week, perhaps more.
best solution of course would be for the player to be kicked but wars etc staying active on him. (1 month???)
Ishkur, you are trying to solve a very small problem (ppl spamming corp channel) by ignoring a huge one (most common war exploit). makes little sense, does it?
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2004.03.18 10:00:00 -
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24 hrs isn't long enough.
seconded. would make this a week, perhaps more.
best solution of course would be for the player to be kicked but wars etc staying active on him. (1 month???)
Ishkur, you are trying to solve a very small problem (ppl spamming corp channel) by ignoring a huge one (most common war exploit). makes little sense, does it?
I agree with everything here. 24 hours is too short with all the potential to just play on an alt for a while and then go to bed. I think there should be a week delay in leaving, and wars should stay sticky to a player for longer, maybe even up to a month.
Maybe a solution to the spamming would be a CEO only corp chat gag command?
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swisher
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Posted - 2004.03.18 10:02:00 -
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Edited by: swisher on 18/03/2004 23:11:19
Edited by: swisher on 18/03/2004 10:04:16
well if your on the other side of the picture..the 24 hour wait isnt bad at all...if your using a alt all you do is put all your stuff that you got on escrow log onto your main pick it up then after 24 hours when you go back to your main login screen you will see you char is out of the corp then you can still use that alt or trash and repeat..
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Last Starfighter
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Posted - 2004.03.18 10:18:00 -
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it's the fact that they can look at the map and see 'My Corp Members in Space' that worries me
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mahhy
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Posted - 2004.03.18 10:36:00 -
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Edited by: mahhy on 18/03/2004 10:37:19
Two separate situations:
Corp Not at War:
A voluntary departure, or an expulsion should be immediate in this situation. Theres no real reason for it not to be. Rejoining the corp may be limited though, if anyone can think of a problem with this. Perhaps a delay of a week or a month, just so theres something to think about before you leave.
Corp at War:
Voluntary departure need a minimum of 48 hours or more (a week?). Personally I would suggest that the person leaving would NOT EVER be able to rejoin that corp while wars were active. The corp must be at peace for the person to rejoin. There must be an ingame mechanic to punish the little twerps who do this to avoid being podded.
An expulsion should be immediate, but for purposes of corp war, that person is still "poddable" for a set period, perhaps a week (same period as the voluntary period?). Same restriction applies to rejoining. While that corp is at war, you CANNOT rejoin.
Since theres no legitimate reason I can see for leaving your corp, and then rejoining fairly quickly, I don't see an issue with being unable to rejoin while the corp is at war. If you leave a corp while its at war, the only acceptable reason to do so should be because you don't want to fight, and are looking for a different corp.
It's still morning for me though, and I haven't really woken up, so maybe someone can poke some holes in this?
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Randuin MaraL
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Posted - 2004.03.18 10:44:00 -
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Agreed Mahhy, good proposal.
A week, imho, would be too long.
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Ishkur
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Posted - 2004.03.18 18:11:00 -
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Mahhy, good idea. Except a few things.
What happens if you find out that a corp mate is actually a spy from the corp you're at war with? You just have to suck it up and live with it for 24 hours? Sure, you can kill him over and over again, but then... He can tell your enemy where you all are for 24 hours. Not a good idea.
Here's what I'd rather see, as was suggested above:
When expelling a member from the corporation, or voluntarily leaving, there is a 24-hour waiting period in which the person has:
1. No access to the Corp's hangars.
2. No access to the Corp's map screen abilities (cannot view Associates in F10).
3. No access to the Corp's channel (auto-gag).
If you want to extend that to a week, I'd suggest the following:
1. That wars follow this person for one week (would require firm fixes to the autoscanner for this to work properly).
2. Can join another corp, but previous wars follow him around for 7 days.
I don't know how often you need to expel members from your corp. But when you do, dammit, it needs to happen immediately. Period.
I totally understand the exploit issue, but it should not be MY responsibility as a corp to babysit an unwanted player in my Corporation!!!!
Allow me to remove the person, and have any wars follow him if you so choose.
Thanks.
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Jon Ogden
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Posted - 2004.03.18 22:35:00 -
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it goes beyond that. Corp members can shoot each other without CONCORD intervening. If you have an aggressive corpmate who goes around shooting everyone, you're in BIG trouble. You need to be able to remove people quickly.
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Teela Belwynn
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Posted - 2004.03.18 22:41:00 -
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Ishkur - You cannot block people in corp chat.
You cannot gag people in corp chat.
yes you can, if you are the creator of the corp (and therefore creator of the corp channel)
observe:
/chtgag
purpose: Silence a character within a specific channel
/chtgag who why [duration] ['user']
Gags the given person for a given interval. A specified duration is given in minutes, the default is 30 minutes. If 'user' is specified, the gag applies to an entire user account.
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Hellmar
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Posted - 2004.03.18 22:50:00 -
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I am currently under the impression that the change fixes more problems than it causes. I know it is not perfect but corp hopping was becoming a serious problem. This also mildly helps some variations of corp theft issues.
We have discussed making the stasis longer if the member has had director or CEO roles. Mutual resignation period is a concept that has worked well in real live, so why not in EVE.
Note that you can always strip your own roles now with 1411 to get out of ghost corps and trouble members can be totally stripped of all access, so tolerating them stripped and gagged for 24 hours, shouldnĘt be much of an hassle.
Again, I realise the system is not perfect but I still regard it as a step in the right direction.
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swisher
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Posted - 2004.03.18 23:14:00 -
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well it does suck with the waiting time...when your a director because you cant leave until the CEO either demotes you or kicks you ...so you have one of 2 things you can do here either...kill your char...sniff sniff..what a loss...or wait it out..
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Queen Hawk
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Posted - 2004.03.18 23:29:00 -
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Can someone explain what the problem was in the past and what the new system is suppose to fix?
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SlightlyMad
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Posted - 2004.03.18 23:43:00 -
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Yes.. I'd like to know what the big deal is too.
Except for the one where people jump out and in corps for war/nonwar status.
Think I heard of a person getting shot by concord because the guy he attacked left his corp in the middle of the fight. lol?
1, Make it impossible to leave a corp while in space. You have to be docked.
Maybe this is fixed already, don't know
2, Make a lag on JOINING corps. Not leaving them. That solves the corphopping as good as leaving lag
It doesn't solve the problem completely but some of it. That way, you can avoid a fight when you don't want to. But you can't engage within 24 hours if you leave.
Personally I think its sad that people willingly exploiting and bending the rules are the ones causing bad changes to the rest.
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Ishkur
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Posted - 2004.03.19 00:04:00 -
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Ishkur - You cannot block people in corp chat.
You cannot gag people in corp chat.
yes you can, if you are the creator of the corp (and therefore creator of the corp channel)
observe:
/chtgag
purpose: Silence a character within a specific channel
/chtgag who why [duration] ['user']
Gags the given person for a given interval. A specified duration is given in minutes, the default is 30 minutes. If 'user' is specified, the gag applies to an entire user account.
I'm sorry, that doesn't work.
I logged in with the CEO and Creator of the Corp. Attempts to /chtgag resulted in the following error:
2004.03.19 00:02:47notifySlash error: You need to have role CHTOPERATOR or GML or LEGIONEER or CENTURION for this
Slash error: You need to have role CHTOPERATOR or GML or LEGIONEER or CENTURION for this
It doesn't work. If they would make this work, I could be satisfied.
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Ishkur
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Posted - 2004.03.19 00:07:00 -
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I am currently under the impression that the change fixes more problems than it causes. I know it is not perfect but corp hopping was becoming a serious problem. This also mildly helps some variations of corp theft issues.
We have discussed making the stasis longer if the member has had director or CEO roles. Mutual resignation period is a concept that has worked well in real live, so why not in EVE.
Note that you can always strip your own roles now with 1411 to get out of ghost corps and trouble members can be totally stripped of all access, so tolerating them stripped and gagged for 24 hours, shouldnĘt be much of an hassle.
Again, I realise the system is not perfect but I still regard it as a step in the right direction.
Thanks for your reply, Hellmar.
I do understand the reasons why you don't want corp jumping. But nowhere in the world, ANYWHERE, are you forced to keep an employee on staff after you've fired him. Where I work, people who are fired are escorted out the door by armed police. Most major companies have some kind of security escort when removing a person from their payroll.
Furthermore, as I've pointed out, you cannot gag a character. If you could, I suppose I could live with this. Though it doesn't fix the problem I raised about spies.
Again, why not blacklist the person? They can jump out of the corp, but if they are expelled, they cannot return? Possibly ever?
This, I would think, would solve the problem as well, without creating a new problem for corps that would like to remove people.
Or, allow us to gag people!!!
99% of the chat functions don't work in Corp channel. So fix that, and I'll shut up. 
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Ishkur
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Posted - 2004.03.19 00:12:00 -
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FFS, now the 24 hours is up and the guy is in space.
*bangs head on the wall*
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