| Pages: 1 2 3 :: [one page] |
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
645
|
Posted - 2012.02.08 01:30:00 -
[1] - Quote
After some great feedback we will be renaming our party
The Rational Party of Eve!
This really is what we seek from CCP a balanced approach to Eve that includes all aspects of Eve.
Our first focus will be areas of Eve that are overdue for CCP attention. To start in the CSM 7 this will include:
Mining Missions Keeping CCP's feet to the fire for ambulation
and secondarily
Can flipping/wreck stealing/aggression/low sec gate mechanics NPC corp mechanics
The Rational party will support a single candidate and will have an advisory council that will allow deep focus on the areas of interest the party will seek support.
We will add areas of interest as we gain council members with specific focus in new areas.
We are looking for council volunteers now!
A vote for The Rational Party of Eve will be a vote for a team to represent your interests in Eve!
Issler Dainze CSM 7 Candidate |

The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2946
|
Posted - 2012.02.08 03:57:00 -
[2] - Quote
mining is pretty irrational behavior, you should help them see reason by dropping brutixes on them The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |

The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2946
|
Posted - 2012.02.08 03:58:00 -
[3] - Quote
'rational' is tautological just like rational choice theory and it is completely meaningless The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |

Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.02.08 04:28:00 -
[4] - Quote
is a man not entitled to the rocks of his bot's brow? |

Missus Tom
The Rational Party of EVE
0
|
Posted - 2012.02.08 04:42:00 -
[5] - Quote
I am pleased to accept the nomination for the official CSM candidate of The Rational Party of EVE. I will begin issuing committee assignments, so please get me your preferences soon! |

rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
257
|
Posted - 2012.02.08 04:48:00 -
[6] - Quote
Kind of with mittens, me ice mining in my retriever usually makes me feel far from rational. Do you think I would add anything useful to your campaign? or just slow you down? Signature removed, CCP Phantom |

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
647
|
Posted - 2012.02.08 05:33:00 -
[7] - Quote
Missus Tom wrote:I am pleased to accept the nomination for the official CSM candidate of The Rational Party of EVE. I will begin issuing committee assignments, so please get me your preferences soon!
Sadly, it doesn't work that way.
But thanks for your interest.
Issler |

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
647
|
Posted - 2012.02.08 05:35:00 -
[8] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:'rational' is tautological just like rational choice theory and it is completely meaningless
I'd say we'll add the context and make it mean what we want it to mean.
Already some attention! 
Issler
|

Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
145
|
Posted - 2012.02.08 09:12:00 -
[9] - Quote
Sounds good so far .
Any ideas how the council will work and look like? In general I'm interested to work with this party, if I find the time to do so. |

Darrow Hill
Vodka and Vice
27
|
Posted - 2012.02.08 14:23:00 -
[10] - Quote
Some unsolicited advice:
If you really want the high-sec vote, you're not going to get it through forum posts alone. Not by a long shot.
Use the advertising methods employed by Phaser, Inc..
Assemble the "party" quickly, and assign each member a section of highsec. Agree on a single message, and get to spamming local and spread the word. Use Dotlan to determine peak activity times of every single highsec ice belt, and make sure someone is there multiple times per day chatting with the locals.
You must be active in your approach, and that means spending a ridiculous amount of time in game campaigning.
Do that, every single day until the vote, and you just might get a seat on the council. If 8 months of that can result in a trillion isk scam payout, surely a few weeks of "campaigning" can net you 800+ votes or more. |

The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2958
|
Posted - 2012.02.08 15:36:00 -
[11] - Quote
with the 'rational party' AND a hardline objectivist running for csm, which way is a good randroid to vote???? The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
659
|
Posted - 2012.02.08 18:19:00 -
[12] - Quote
Darrow Hill wrote:Some unsolicited advice: If you really want the high-sec vote, you're not going to get it through forum posts alone. Not by a long shot. Use the advertising methods employed by Phaser, Inc.. Assemble the "party" quickly, and assign each member a section of highsec. Agree on a single message, and get to spamming local and spread the word. Use Dotlan to determine peak activity times of every single highsec ice belt, and make sure someone is there multiple times per day chatting with the locals. You must be active in your approach, and that means spending a ridiculous amount of time in game campaigning. Do that, every single day until the vote, and you just might get a seat on the council. If 8 months of that can result in a trillion isk scam payout, surely a few weeks of "campaigning" can net you 800+ votes or more.
I am planning some in game activities for sure. There is no way to win in the forums alone.
Issler |

Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.02.08 19:15:00 -
[13] - Quote
where and when are these ingame activities and do they involve mackinaws |

Velicitia
Open Designs
517
|
Posted - 2012.02.08 20:23:00 -
[14] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:mining is pretty irrational behavior, you should help them see reason by dropping brutixes on them
In the absence of a Brutix, does a Talos make a suitable replacement? 
|

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1506
|
Posted - 2012.02.08 20:26:00 -
[15] - Quote
Aren't you the person who has the hilarious WiS thread in the Eve General forum? The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Raptor217
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
34
|
Posted - 2012.02.08 20:27:00 -
[16] - Quote
I bet they want to outlaw aggression mechanics entirely, stop suicide ganking, and make highsec a nursery for all the people who can't take the heat of regular highsec. |

Tomytronic
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
61
|
Posted - 2012.02.08 20:29:00 -
[17] - Quote
MINING
MINING
MINING
Sure, you stand for nothing of any worth to anyone, but thanks for playing! Your dilution of the voting pool makes getting genuine hisec players who know what they're doing onto the board even harder! Go you! |

Largo Coronet
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
50
|
Posted - 2012.02.08 20:30:00 -
[18] - Quote
Velicitia wrote:The Mittani wrote:mining is pretty irrational behavior, you should help them see reason by dropping brutixes on them In the absence of a Brutix, does a Talos make a suitable replacement?  Oh, the Talos is an excellent choice, especially for tanked Hulks & small gangs trying to blap Orcas. Load up with CN Antimatter in Meta 2 Neutrons and you'll be splattering miners like June bugs on a truck's windshield.
Just trying to be the Voice of Reason, here.
|

Doris Dents
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
21
|
Posted - 2012.02.08 20:35:00 -
[19] - Quote
So you're that ankhwhatsistsname redubbed except without boobs that I know of and a agenda to petition CCP for more space barbie. 'Bears if you want some dishonest rabblerouser with a crypto-barbie policy platform to badly reprsent you rather than someone sensible who actually understands the game like, say, Trebor then throw your vote away on this charlatan. |

Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.02.08 20:36:00 -
[20] - Quote
im a barbie girl! in a barbie world! |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1507
|
Posted - 2012.02.08 21:02:00 -
[21] - Quote
Space Pants Party would be more appropriate for you. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
659
|
Posted - 2012.02.08 21:05:00 -
[22] - Quote
And the goon spam begins. I would suggest that the more the goons troll here the more I look like the best "anti-goon" candidate.
Issler |

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
659
|
Posted - 2012.02.08 21:07:00 -
[23] - Quote
Arcathra wrote:Sounds good so far  . Any ideas how the council will work and look like? In general I'm interested to work with this party, if I find the time to do so.
We'll have private forums on another site, regular online meetings based on the council schedules. I want to make it flexible enough to accomodate folks with time constraints. Basically folks with great ideas and passion for Eve but that can't be commit to the CSM because of the time requirements.
Issler |

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
659
|
Posted - 2012.02.08 21:10:00 -
[24] - Quote
Raptor217 wrote:I bet they want to outlaw aggression mechanics entirely, stop suicide ganking, and make highsec a nursery for all the people who can't take the heat of regular highsec.
Nope, not in the slightest. Eve is a game of risks in every activity.
What I want to drive is the idea that the actual experience of mining has been stale for a long time and the secment of the Eve population that mine would like to see it refreshed. Not just isk/hour but fun/hour.
Issler |

Tomytronic
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
61
|
Posted - 2012.02.08 21:15:00 -
[25] - Quote
Thanks for signing your posts! It just reminds us exactly who it is we shouldn't vote for!
Issler |

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
661
|
Posted - 2012.02.08 21:51:00 -
[26] - Quote
Tomytronic wrote:Thanks for signing your posts! It just reminds us exactly who it is we shouldn't vote for!
Issler
I was talked back into do it. Sorry it will lose me the goon vote, I was counting on you guys so much!
Issler |

Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
|
Posted - 2012.02.08 22:20:00 -
[27] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Tomytronic wrote:Thanks for signing your posts! It just reminds us exactly who it is we shouldn't vote for!
Issler I was talked back into do it. Sorry it will lose me the goon vote, I was counting on you guys so much! Issler how do you respond to charges you are easily talked into doing stupid things |

Reinardt Duskwinter
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
0
|
Posted - 2012.02.08 22:20:00 -
[28] - Quote
EvE, anyone who tries to make it less of an asshat paradise instantly gets flamed. I would like to see a few things for industry, to make it a little less bore-inducing. Either way, it would be fun to see some high-sec upgrades. Null is tempting, but would rather not have to play for some megalomaniac gamer, just to be a part of things.
*waits for the unintelligible retort from the Goons* |

Igner Greyhound
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.02.08 22:58:00 -
[29] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:After some great feedback we will be renaming our party
Mining Missions Keeping CCP's feet to the fire for ambulation
and secondarily
Can flipping/wreck stealing/aggression/low sec gate mechanics
Would you classify yourself more as "pro-walking in stations" or "anti-flying in space"?
Do you have specific plans for the can/wreck/aggression if elected? |

Largo Coronet
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
52
|
Posted - 2012.02.08 23:04:00 -
[30] - Quote
I used to be the Voice of Reason, but then I took a Dagny to the knee. |

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
664
|
Posted - 2012.02.08 23:36:00 -
[31] - Quote
Igner Greyhound wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:After some great feedback we will be renaming our party
Mining Missions Keeping CCP's feet to the fire for ambulation
and secondarily
Can flipping/wreck stealing/aggression/low sec gate mechanics
Would you classify yourself more as "pro-walking in stations" or "anti-flying in space"? Do you have specific plans for the can/wreck/aggression if elected?
Wow, there was a real question in there! Thanks for that!
An idea suggested in my initial CSM 7 thread was what I thought deserved exploration..
From Gizu
-Stealing from a can or a wreck should evoke a global aggression timer. This would not incur the wrath of CONCORD - they have better things to do - however it would allow other players to punish the thief. CONCORD's current policy allows suicide gankers use 'alts' to collect loot from their victim's wreck with no risk. This change would also allow combat ships to protect miners from can-flippers.
I think this still keeps Eve "dangerous" but balances what I consider a game mechanic that is a little crusty.
Issler |

Aryndel Vyst
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
222
|
Posted - 2012.02.08 23:47:00 -
[32] - Quote
I still don't understand why you sign your posts. These aren't memos.
Issler |

Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
|
Posted - 2012.02.09 00:31:00 -
[33] - Quote
Aryndel Vyst wrote:I still don't understand why you sign your posts. These aren't memos.
Issler someone convinced him it was a good idea
if only i didn't have this accursed goonwaffe tag i could convince him to do literally anything |

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
665
|
Posted - 2012.02.09 00:34:00 -
[34] - Quote
Retar Aveymone wrote:Aryndel Vyst wrote:I still don't understand why you sign your posts. These aren't memos.
Issler someone convinced him it was a good idea if only i didn't have this accursed goonwaffe tag i could convince him to do literally anything
Well, I'm a her and unlikely even if you didn't have the tag. You can go back and see from my first posts I've been signing my posts.
But, I'll tell you what, I'll ignore your tag, so give it your best shot!
Issler |

Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
489
|
Posted - 2012.02.09 00:34:00 -
[35] - Quote
Retar Aveymone wrote:Aryndel Vyst wrote:I still don't understand why you sign your posts. These aren't memos.
Issler someone convinced him it was a good idea if only i didn't have this accursed goonwaffe tag i could convince him to do literally anything
Do not fret fellow Goon Capsuleer, for this curse is the source of your power.
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |

Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
489
|
Posted - 2012.02.09 00:40:00 -
[36] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:Aryndel Vyst wrote:I still don't understand why you sign your posts. These aren't memos.
Issler someone convinced him it was a good idea if only i didn't have this accursed goonwaffe tag i could convince him to do literally anything Well, I'm a her and unlikely even if you didn't have the tag. You can go back and see from my first posts I've been signing my posts. But, I'll tell you what, I'll ignore your tag, so give it your best shot! Issler
Forsoothe! I did not know that women were allowed on this holonet channel.
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
666
|
Posted - 2012.02.09 01:11:00 -
[37] - Quote
Krios Ahzek wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:Aryndel Vyst wrote:I still don't understand why you sign your posts. These aren't memos.
Issler someone convinced him it was a good idea if only i didn't have this accursed goonwaffe tag i could convince him to do literally anything Well, I'm a her and unlikely even if you didn't have the tag. You can go back and see from my first posts I've been signing my posts. But, I'll tell you what, I'll ignore your tag, so give it your best shot! Issler Forsoothe! I did not know that women were allowed on this holonet channel.
I had to sign a special wavier! 
Issler |

Jason TheDragon
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2012.02.09 03:14:00 -
[38] - Quote
Do you stick to single word ideas out of laziness or is it one of those "the more I say the more my inherent worthlessness will become obvious even to the dumbest of voters" things? Curious voter wanting to know :) |

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
681
|
Posted - 2012.02.09 05:18:00 -
[39] - Quote
Jason TheDragon wrote:Do you stick to single word ideas out of laziness or is it one of those "the more I say the more my inherent worthlessness will become obvious even to the dumbest of voters" things? Curious voter wanting to know :)
Hello there alt type person. Is there a question in there because if you've spent a second reading I've offered a variety of ideas.
Issler |

Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
492
|
Posted - 2012.02.09 05:20:00 -
[40] - Quote
The people do not want to read, they want bread and games.
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |

Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8818
|
Posted - 2012.02.09 05:21:00 -
[41] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:And the goon spam begins. I would suggest that the more the goons troll here the more I look like the best "anti-goon" candidate.
Issler A challenger approaches. Goon friends, tell them what you think of me. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM. |

Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
146
|
Posted - 2012.02.09 06:59:00 -
[42] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Arcathra wrote:Sounds good so far  . Any ideas how the council will work and look like? In general I'm interested to work with this party, if I find the time to do so. We'll have private forums on another site, regular online meetings based on the council schedules. I want to make it flexible enough to accomodate folks with time constraints. Basically folks with great ideas and passion for Eve but that can't be commit to the CSM because of the time requirements. Issler Okay, thanks for the answer. If you want I would like to work on that council. Any terms of admission?
Is there a way to delete the spam in a candidacy thread? Would be nice to discuss and ask questions here without the usual childish Goon mudslinging. |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1507
|
Posted - 2012.02.09 07:41:00 -
[43] - Quote
Arcathra wrote:Is there a way to delete the spam in a candidacy thread? Would be nice to discuss and ask questions here without the usual childish Goon mudslinging.
Just because you don't agree with our posts doesn't make them spam. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
264
|
Posted - 2012.02.09 07:53:00 -
[44] - Quote
Arcathra wrote:
Is there a way to delete the spam in a candidacy thread? Would be nice to discuss and ask questions here without the usual childish Goon mudslinging.
What is a CSM race, without a guantlet for you to run through. Consider their childish mudslinging, as the moment you really dug down deep, and helped form the person you today.
Other then that you can report their posts. Signature removed, CCP Phantom |

Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
146
|
Posted - 2012.02.09 08:12:00 -
[45] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Just because you don't agree with our posts doesn't make them spam.
Ladie Harlot wrote:Space Pants Party would be more appropriate for you.
Retar Aveymone wrote:im a barbie girl! in a barbie world!
Riiiight, you aren't spamming . No way... |

Jason TheDragon
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2012.02.09 08:32:00 -
[46] - Quote
Arcathra wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Just because you don't agree with our posts doesn't make them spam. Ladie Harlot wrote:Space Pants Party would be more appropriate for you. Retar Aveymone wrote:im a barbie girl! in a barbie world! Riiiight, you aren't spamming  . No way...
You heard it here first, folks! Opposing the continuing development of ambulation (an endeavor so worthless its focus caused a player revolt not even a year ago) is just spam! Stupid goonies     |

Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1508
|
Posted - 2012.02.09 08:33:00 -
[47] - Quote
That word doesn't mean what you apparently think it means.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Tre Telos
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
0
|
Posted - 2012.02.09 09:02:00 -
[48] - Quote
I don't think ambulation is enhancing the game play without pugilism skills and such! I do think that the players who appreciate the rich side of the game that has to do with ship building and all that it entails need a voice in CSM. That voice is the Voice of Reason. We don't want to nerf the PvP side and at the same time we don't wanna nerf our capabilities to provide rocking ships for those who love it. It's really quite "reason"able. Players pay money to participate in this game and if it sucks for those who want to excel at industrial enterprises there will be a lot less players paying to play. Simple. We need a Voice of Reason in the CSM to remind CCP of this fact. If the game is only geared towards Goons style of play, there will be a lot of quitters. So let's get Issler in there to represent the players who want to live in this space and have a decent chance of excelling. We don't complain about the low sec or null sec game mechanics when they give us an even chance. We just don't want either area to be nerfed to favor one or the other, and that is why we want Issler and The Voice Of Reason. |

Ka P'lah
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
3
|
Posted - 2012.02.09 10:36:00 -
[49] - Quote
Raptor217 wrote:I bet they want to outlaw aggression mechanics entirely, stop suicide ganking, and make highsec a nursery for all the people who can't take the heat of regular highsec.
You would lose that bet. Isn't that kind of an old standby? (The AAAGH! THEY WANNA MAKE EVE INTO SOME PATHETICALLY HOLLOWED-OUT SPACEBARBIEHELLOKITTYPLAYSKOOL JUNK! thing) Is recognizing that a lot of different people play EVE doing a lot of different things, and if someone else plays differently than I do that's ok and it all contributes to this virtual sandbox we all like so bad? Seems rational to me. |

Bowel Ormand
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
0
|
Posted - 2012.02.09 11:02:00 -
[50] - Quote
Tre Telos wrote:I don't think ambulation is enhancing the game play without pugilism skills and such! I do think that the players who appreciate the rich side of the game that has to do with ship building and all that it entails need a voice in CSM. That voice is the Voice of Reason. We don't want to nerf the PvP side and at the same time we don't wanna nerf our capabilities to provide rocking ships for those who love it. It's really quite "reason"able. Players pay money to participate in this game and if it sucks for those who want to excel at industrial enterprises there will be a lot less players paying to play. Simple. We need a Voice of Reason in the CSM to remind CCP of this fact. If the game is only geared towards Goons style of play, there will be a lot of quitters. So let's get Issler in there to represent the players who want to live in this space and have a decent chance of excelling. We don't complain about the low sec or null sec game mechanics when they give us an even chance. We just don't want either area to be nerfed to favor one or the other, and that is why we want Issler and The Voice Of Reason.
agreed and agreed |

Bowel Ormand
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
0
|
Posted - 2012.02.09 11:27:00 -
[51] - Quote
I am fairly new in the game but what I see is PVP people are not happy because PVP costs lot of money and it is hard to put up with that coast without suicide ganking and can flipping.
When I started playing EVE, I always thought of chasing that one in a million astreoid in low sec, to make big bucks in short time or get blasted by a pirate, but lowsec mining is so nerfed that it is stupid to even try that, if I could earn more I would be in low sec more, thus more meat for the goon swarm :)
And because of the game mechanics, when you lose PVP you lose isk, when you win, you don't earn much. If somebody blows a tech 2 frigate in hardcore PVP and earns less then suicide ganking a noob ship in high sec, that is a problem for both low and high sec guys.
I manufacture tech 2 ships, they cost 20m, sell for 24 m, and when get blown the turn out is very low, so lowsec PVP guy needs more isk which chooses can flipping and suicide ganking.
I liked that "system wide countdown thingy", if you combine it with higher isk yielding low sec asteroid belts, miners will be more in low sec with BC or BS bodyguards, which will mean more PVP chance for low sec people too, and maybe more roleplaying chances.
As I said before I am fairly new in game so I am not a devoted high sec guy or a low sec PVP fan boy, just a fellow pod player to find his place in EVE..
|

Boyanskaya Delerium
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1
|
Posted - 2012.02.09 12:00:00 -
[52] - Quote
Industry is what gives you goonies the chance to have fun, who else makes you ships, ammo, modules if not those "irrational" miner and industrialists. Sure there are NPC corps but those OP SOB (excuses the language) should have been delt with long ago.
I support the voice of reason, because next to tears , industry makes this sanbox turn. If there was no industry, who else would you gank, explode, molest, etc..
You need industry as much as you need O-¦. Maybe not for the apparent reasons but if you think about it, you shall see, it does more than you originally would have thought.
Disclaimer: I have no idea if anything is true but I think it is. So -»\_(pâä)_/-» |

Jason TheDragon
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2012.02.09 12:08:00 -
[53] - Quote
Boyanskaya Delerium wrote:Industry is what gives you goonies the chance to have fun, who else makes you ships, ammo, modules if not those "irrational" miner and industrialists. Sure there are NPC corps but those OP SOB (excuses the language) should have been delt with long ago.
I support the voice of reason, because next to tears , industry makes this sanbox turn. If there was no industry, who else would you gank, explode, molest, etc..
You need industry as much as you need O-¦. Maybe not for the apparent reasons but if you think about it, you shall see, it does more than you originally would have thought.
Disclaimer: I have no idea if anything is true but I think it is. So -»\_(pâä)_/-»
I agree with you - industry is absolutely a lifeblood of the game, and I don't think you'll find a non-crazy person that will disagree with that.
What on earth does missions, ambulation and can flipping have to do with any of that, though? Those are apparently Issler's "key areas" as mentioned in this OP.
|

Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
151
|
Posted - 2012.02.09 12:55:00 -
[54] - Quote
Mining is on top of that list. And mining is the foundation of any industry.
And before anyone feels to be the smartass today: Yes, I know that there seems to come a lot of minerals from mission loot and drone compounds. But I hope that this problem is also covered by the Rational Party. To give miners back their profession and make it a more active and interesting profession, that should be the goals in my opinion. |

Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
238
|
Posted - 2012.02.09 13:09:00 -
[55] - Quote
Arcathra wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Arcathra wrote:Sounds good so far  . Any ideas how the council will work and look like? In general I'm interested to work with this party, if I find the time to do so. We'll have private forums on another site, regular online meetings based on the council schedules. I want to make it flexible enough to accomodate folks with time constraints. Basically folks with great ideas and passion for Eve but that can't be commit to the CSM because of the time requirements. Issler Okay, thanks for the answer. If you want I would like to work on that council. Any terms of admission? Is there a way to delete the spam in a candidacy thread? Would be nice to discuss and ask questions here without the usual childish Goon mudslinging.
You can hdie posts of any user by clicking on his name and selecting the appropiate action at the deployable menu.
it is amazing how the forums improve w/o reading certian people, and you barely notice there are hidden messages there. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |

Jason TheDragon
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
|
Posted - 2012.02.09 13:12:00 -
[56] - Quote
Arcathra wrote:Mining is on top of that list. And mining is the foundation of any industry.
And before anyone feels to be the smartass today: Yes, I know that there seems to come a lot of minerals from mission loot and drone compounds. But I hope that this problem is also covered by the Rational Party. To give miners back their profession and make it a more active and interesting profession, that should be the goals in my opinion.
That's the problem I was kind of driving at earlier, and it's my #1 issue with this thread: You're "hoping" they'll address that. Why hope? No actual detail of where this candidate/party/whatever plans to go with ANY of these ideas has been shown at all (save for the rough can flipping idea a page back, and that was only after someone had to ask just what she had in mind).
Really, the "how" in this sort of thing is far more important than the "what". Take a look at any other serious candidate's thread in this forum - they've all at least outlined what they have in mind, to varying degrees of detail. There's none of that in this thread - just a point form list of aspects of the game that apparently Issler has issues with, but how, who knows? She's sure not telling.
That said, it doesn't even really matter - anyone insane enough to support more work on ambulation is so far out of touch that it should send anyone screaming far, far away. "Reason" and "Rational", indeed. |

Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
151
|
Posted - 2012.02.09 13:23:00 -
[57] - Quote
I'm sure she can work out those things a bit.
But do we really need a "plan" what exactly we want to change? I understand that the CSM isn't about the CSM members to do the actual game designers job. The CSM members are there to give feedback to CCP about the current state of the game and the wishes of the community.
In the end, it's not about what Issler wants or a special idea, but a general idea of what players who voted her want to be adressed by CCP. She has to show CCP what our problems are and how we feel about different areas of the game and upcoming changes that might be discussed during the meetings. To sort out that problems we/Issler bring to CCPs attention is CCPs job, the job of the real game designers.
But I also understand that more specific things seem to attract more voters, even if it is ultimately moot in my opinion. |

Jason TheDragon
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
|
Posted - 2012.02.09 13:36:00 -
[58] - Quote
Arcathra wrote:I'm sure she can work out those things a bit.
But do we really need a "plan" what exactly we want to change? I understand that the CSM isn't about the CSM members to do the actual game designers job. The CSM members are there to give feedback to CCP about the current state of the game and the wishes of the community.
In the end, it's not about what Issler wants or a special idea, but a general idea of what players who voted her want to be adressed by CCP. She has to show CCP what our problems are and how we feel about different areas of the game and upcoming changes that might be discussed during the meetings. To sort out that problems we/Issler bring to CCPs attention is CCPs job, the job of the real game designers..
Exactly, and to give feedback that actually reflects what people in the game actually feel, she needs to, get this, address how she actually feels about the issues she mentioned! You don't even need specifics really, but you do need some semblance of a direction, something more than just saying "mining and missions". What about mining and missions? Do they need buffed? Nerfed? If so, what's your ideas on how to go about that? Those are the sort of things that actually make people aware of what you're actually about, and more importantly, that you're actually about *something*.
I agree with you that specifics can be moot in regards to how changes will happen (if they happen), but they can go a long way into showing people where you stand, and showing them that you've actually put thought into where you stand, which is really kind of important when you're trying to choose a representative of the playerbase to actually give feedback worth a damn to the devs. |

Xanoc
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
0
|
Posted - 2012.02.09 13:46:00 -
[59] - Quote
Tre Telos wrote:I don't think ambulation is enhancing the game play without pugilism skills and such! I do think that the players who appreciate the rich side of the game that has to do with ship building and all that it entails need a voice in CSM. That voice is the Voice of Reason. We don't want to nerf the PvP side and at the same time we don't wanna nerf our capabilities to provide rocking ships for those who love it. It's really quite "reason"able. Players pay money to participate in this game and if it sucks for those who want to excel at industrial enterprises there will be a lot less players paying to play. Simple. We need a Voice of Reason in the CSM to remind CCP of this fact. If the game is only geared towards Goons style of play, there will be a lot of quitters. So let's get Issler in there to represent the players who want to live in this space and have a decent chance of excelling. We don't complain about the low sec or null sec game mechanics when they give us an even chance. We just don't want either area to be nerfed to favor one or the other, and that is why we want Issler and The Voice Of Reason.
Agreed |

Markus Calderon
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
0
|
Posted - 2012.02.09 13:47:00 -
[60] - Quote
Tre Telos wrote:I don't think ambulation is enhancing the game play without pugilism skills and such! I do think that the players who appreciate the rich side of the game that has to do with ship building and all that it entails need a voice in CSM. That voice is the Voice of Reason. We don't want to nerf the PvP side and at the same time we don't wanna nerf our capabilities to provide rocking ships for those who love it. It's really quite "reason"able. Players pay money to participate in this game and if it sucks for those who want to excel at industrial enterprises there will be a lot less players paying to play. Simple. We need a Voice of Reason in the CSM to remind CCP of this fact. If the game is only geared towards Goons style of play, there will be a lot of quitters. So let's get Issler in there to represent the players who want to live in this space and have a decent chance of excelling. We don't complain about the low sec or null sec game mechanics when they give us an even chance. We just don't want either area to be nerfed to favor one or the other, and that is why we want Issler and The Voice Of Reason.
I support this. |

Boyanskaya Delerium
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1
|
Posted - 2012.02.09 14:37:00 -
[61] - Quote
Jason TheDragon wrote:Boyanskaya Delerium wrote:Industry is what gives you goonies the chance to have fun, who else makes you ships, ammo, modules if not those "irrational" miner and industrialists. Sure there are NPC corps but those OP SOB (excuses the language) should have been delt with long ago.
I support the voice of reason, because next to tears , industry makes this sanbox turn. If there was no industry, who else would you gank, explode, molest, etc..
You need industry as much as you need O-¦. Maybe not for the apparent reasons but if you think about it, you shall see, it does more than you originally would have thought.
Disclaimer: I have no idea if anything is true but I think it is. So -»\_(pâä)_/-» I agree with you - industry is absolutely a lifeblood of the game, and I don't think you'll find a non-crazy person that will disagree with that. What on earth does missions, ambulation and can flipping have to do with any of that, though? Those are apparently Issler's "key areas" as mentioned in this OP.
Well, as far as missioning, It has become boring, one toned and It hasn't really changed in a while (or I think that's the case). Just like mining, we feel that their is room for a change, maybe to spice things up a bit. Because as far as I've seen it is, you go in, alone or in fleet, blow stuff up and there you go. Nothing to it (sounds like what the goons do) You get a reward and on to the next one.
It become stagnant. Maybe the introduction of a higher level of difficulty compensated by a bigger reward. at least something can change there. aaaand, I don't really think can flipping should be adressed, for it is a way for PVP people to earn money wothout having to go to what they may refer to as 'irrational' things. Can flipping is the risk to the reward for miners (if that makes sense). |

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
693
|
Posted - 2012.02.09 19:13:00 -
[62] - Quote
I haven't offered any detailed plans to date. Of course the election really just began .
I've also said I don't think the CSM are meant to be game designers and I am seeking folks to join a council to come up with the best feedback to CCP related to the things I believe need some attention in Eve.
The highest priority in my more focused list is mining. I personally have all sorts of ideas and I've been sharing those for years.
All of these ideas are focused at making mining a more rewarding experience both in terms of potential profits and the fun the activity creates while you do it. I think you should always be able to do the relaxing mining we have today. A lot of folks like the low key nature of high sec mining. However I also beleive there should be a "next level" mining experience that is more active and dynamic. The new level of mining would make things like real time skill matter like it does in ship PvP. I would make optimized ship fitting more important. I would make mining go to "11"!
Examples of how this could happen could be any one of the following.
1. Comets - you scan them down have to actively navigate to them while the travel through the system and aim your lasers as you mine them. I would also like to see them provide moon minerals as well high end ores.
2. Make all fields dynamically spawned. CCP has discussed this for a long time. It is way overdue. We need the days of trying to be the first one to the belt after the respawn uptime to mine before it is stripped clean.
3. Compound astroids - Rocks with multiple minerals that you dynamically choose by controlling your lasers real time. You could choose what minerals you want to extract. It would be a trade off as taking one would "destroy" the others in the process.
4. Change the mining interfaces to make botting a lot harder. I believe there are things CCP could change in the client the would increase the difficulty of botting substantially and that with simple changes every patch break every bot that managed to get around the anti-botting measures.
The are my "Ideas" but again, I don't intend to be a game designer surogate for CCP. I am looking to the folks that join the council to harvest and create the best suggestions to pass along to CCP.
The party forums will be up and running this weekend as well as a web site and a blog. We will have specific forum sections for each area of focus to figure out the "best of the best" ideas.
As to the other areas, the huge thread on WiS shows there is interest in the Eve community in ambulation. I finally want someone on the CSM to make sure CCP keeps that fact in their planning.
As for missions and other PvE content, again, this is an area that feels stale and I've been told repeatedly folks want improvements in these experiences.
Finally, NPC corps are broken and it is time to make them fit more in the concept of risk/reward that is the basis of Eve.
Hope that helps move the discussions in a more productive direction from some of the "no ideas here, move along" comments that folks that didn't bother to read the other thread seemed to have made. I could have created a 14 page manifesto like other candidates have done but that misses the point. I'm not seeking to be the "all knowing all seeing oracle of Eve". I have seen areas in Eve that don't have adequate representation in the CSM and I want to address that gap. I am seeking to present CCP with what those players want, not what I want them to want.
Issler |

Boyanskaya Delerium
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1
|
Posted - 2012.02.09 21:05:00 -
[63] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote: 4. Change the mining interfaces to make botting a lot harder. I believe there are things CCP could change in the client the would increase the difficulty of botting substantially and that with simple changes every patch break every bot that managed to get around the anti-botting measures. Issler
This might have made some people angry.
Also
Issler Dainze wrote:2. Make all fields dynamically spawned.
What does this mean exactly, any links? |

Eli Grange
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
16
|
Posted - 2012.02.09 21:55:00 -
[64] - Quote
you are self proclaimed as the RAtional Party of Eve, this the perfect opportunity to address some of the more irrational parts of the space fantasy in which we all play.
An example the constant thrust from ships while it holds a constant speed. Casually explained as a side effect from the warp core, however A micro-warp drive which uses similar principle should produce this friction against space, slowing it down. This sort of thinking would be a boon to any CSM candidate, what is your opinion on this sort of thing? |

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
715
|
Posted - 2012.02.09 22:17:00 -
[65] - Quote
Boyanskaya Delerium wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: 4. Change the mining interfaces to make botting a lot harder. I believe there are things CCP could change in the client the would increase the difficulty of botting substantially and that with simple changes every patch break every bot that managed to get around the anti-botting measures. Issler
This might have made some people angry. Also Issler Dainze wrote:2. Make all fields dynamically spawned. What does this mean exactly, any links?
So when I was in the CSM previously CCP was discussing making all asteroids spawn like the do in exportation sites. Right now the process is based on fixed locations that "refresh" as part of periodic database updates that happen over down time.
Using the newer mechanic would let belts re-spawn outside downtime and make the whole asteroid mix more flexible.
Issler
|

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
715
|
Posted - 2012.02.09 22:26:00 -
[66] - Quote
Eli Grange wrote:you are self proclaimed as the RAtional Party of Eve, this the perfect opportunity to address some of the more irrational parts of the space fantasy in which we all play.
An example the constant thrust from ships while it holds a constant speed. Casually explained as a side effect from the warp core, however A micro-warp drive which uses similar principle should produce this friction against space, slowing it down. This sort of thinking would be a boon to any CSM candidate, what is your opinion on this sort of thing?
I would be a fun exercise to go through Eve top to bottom and produce your basic Dr. Who level of scientific explanation for everything. I know some of has been done both by CCP and the community but there are still some things that defy logic and explanation. 
Issler
|

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
715
|
Posted - 2012.02.09 22:34:00 -
[67] - Quote
Adding one more thing to the list of things I will drive if I am elected to the CSM 7, fixing the gorram forums!!!
Issler |

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1125
|
Posted - 2012.02.13 17:43:00 -
[68] - Quote
Issler Dainze,
I wish you lot's of luck and much success.
You have my vote.
Seems the little goonies are all worried, having resorted to doing a 'Hate' campaign with all the constant troll and spam attacks. Best to just 'report' and ignore them.
And yes, these forums not only need to be fixed, they definitely need to have better moderation as well.
DMC
 |

Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9
|
Posted - 2012.02.13 19:21:00 -
[69] - Quote
What would you say to the idea of flying in space with our space barbies/pants? Like, I could fly a giant ship of myself. Maybe some kind of mining supercapital that literally eats asteroids and poops out ore? Or maybe I could punch POSes! I really like this idea, what do you think? |

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
880
|
Posted - 2012.02.13 23:36:00 -
[70] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:What would you say to the idea of flying in space with our space barbies/pants? Like, I could fly a giant ship of myself. Maybe some kind of mining supercapital that literally eats asteroids and poops out ore? Or maybe I could punch POSes! I really like this idea, what do you think?
Well, you really have something there (hint, you might need to tweak those space madness meds).
You need to immediately announce your CSM 7 candidacy!!
With the goon obsessions with "space barbies/pants" I expect you'll steal the chair from Mittens!! I know you'll get Lady Marmot's vote!
Issler |

Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10
|
Posted - 2012.02.14 01:19:00 -
[71] - Quote
Look, I'm just looking for a compromise that will make everyone happy. You will get your dolls and pants but they will fly in space!
Alternately, what would you say to ships walking around in stations?
|

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
882
|
Posted - 2012.02.14 18:59:00 -
[72] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:Look, I'm just looking for a compromise that will make everyone happy. You will get your dolls and pants but they will fly in space!
Alternately, what would you say to ships walking around in stations?
Yup, your meds seem to need some adjustments.
SIS = Ships walking in stations...... your chances at the chair of CSM 7 grow with every post!
Issler |

Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
15
|
Posted - 2012.02.14 19:42:00 -
[73] - Quote
It's really hard to see how your refusal to compromise on your extremist views will be helpful if you do become elected to the Council of Stellar Management. Anyhow, what about being able to dress up ships? I'd like a bowtie on my Bestower, for example. |

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
883
|
Posted - 2012.02.14 22:03:00 -
[74] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:It's really hard to see how your refusal to compromise on your extremist views will be helpful if you do become elected to the Council of Stellar Management. Anyhow, what about being able to dress up ships? I'd like a bowtie on my Bestower, for example.
I suspect my insistence on sanity in my thinking may mean I can't represent you or any of the voices in your head. But I encourage you to run for the CSM 7 yourself!
Issler |

Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
24
|
Posted - 2012.02.14 23:43:00 -
[75] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote:It's really hard to see how your refusal to compromise on your extremist views will be helpful if you do become elected to the Council of Stellar Management. Anyhow, what about being able to dress up ships? I'd like a bowtie on my Bestower, for example. I suspect my insistence on sanity in my thinking may mean I can't represent you or any of the voices in your head. But I encourage you to run for the CSM 7 yourself! Issler
If I do, should I run as the nominee of the Voice of Rationality Party or the Reasonable Party?
|

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
883
|
Posted - 2012.02.14 23:56:00 -
[76] - Quote
Johnny Marzetti wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Johnny Marzetti wrote:It's really hard to see how your refusal to compromise on your extremist views will be helpful if you do become elected to the Council of Stellar Management. Anyhow, what about being able to dress up ships? I'd like a bowtie on my Bestower, for example. I suspect my insistence on sanity in my thinking may mean I can't represent you or any of the voices in your head. But I encourage you to run for the CSM 7 yourself! Issler If I do, should I run as the nominee of the Voice of Rationality Party or the Reasonable Party?
The Rational Parties are Reasonable Party!
Issler |

Caldari PI
Miner Mistreatment
0
|
Posted - 2012.02.15 01:16:00 -
[77] - Quote
Who will make the final determination as to the person to head the Party? By forming and renaming it are you the defacto candidate and the rest of this is window dressing to garner support? Are you considering actively recruiting from the smaller candidates that may fit the bill? |

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
886
|
Posted - 2012.02.15 01:59:00 -
[78] - Quote
Caldari PI wrote:Who will make the final determination as to the person to head the Party? By forming and renaming it are you the defacto candidate and the rest of this is window dressing to garner support? Are you considering actively recruiting from the smaller candidates that may fit the bill?
I stated earlier in the thread that based on the math we would only run one candidate and no serious alternative has come forward. If someone would like to drive this instead of me we are running out of time.
So anyone out there interested? I certainly would consider another candidate if they were serious and looked more likely to be elected. We have some folks that have agreed to be part of the party council, we'll be announcing them soon.
Issler |
| |
|
| Pages: 1 2 3 :: [one page] |