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Ademaro Imre Caldari Eye of God	Posted - 2007.12.31 02:07:00 - [1] Now, the music industry wants to sue you if you copy music from legally purchased CD's onto your computer. Download Uproar: Record Industry Goes After Personal Use
LUH 3471	Posted - 2007.12.31 02:14:00 - [2] Edited by: LUH 3471 on 31/12/2007 02:15:23 this is exactly like h.adolf and his v2 (vergeltungswaffe 2) from a tactial perspective only here h.adolf is the music industry and the v2 their hopeless measures fun fun
annoing Amarr MisFunk Inc. Frontline.	Posted - 2007.12.31 02:37:00 - [3] They'll find it hard to enforce it here in the UK. Its legal here to make a copy of your cd's, dvd's, games etc as a back-up in case of damage to the original. Its only illegal to upload to a site, p2p etc. Remember, its NOT illegal to download in the UK, just upload, as in sharing over torrent. Originally by: Ian Holloway Smooth as a cashmere codpiece
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.12.31 02:59:00 - [4] phew, good thing I only use mp4s Originally by: Tarminic Okay, that's it. You are on the KOS list, and you better pray that I don't have access to a locater agent.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Cult of Rawr	Posted - 2007.12.31 03:14:00 - [5] So how is copying a track from a CD to your Computer (for your own convieniance and ability to make playlists etc) stealing or piracy in any form? Surely that would require you having acquired media you haven't actually payed for or distributing it to others for free? They expect you to use nothing but the original CDs every time you want to listen to your music? There's hundreds of solutions and ways to decrease piracy, but it seems the RIAA no longer cares about consumers and are willing to use brute-force methods to solve only slightly related problems, which at the end of the day does nothing but punish the people who legally purchase media. Piracy was never on the rise because more people didn't want to pay for things - it's because pirated media is often better these days than what you would legally obtain and people are becoming more aware of that fact. Instead of restricting the freedom of every legitimate consumer in order to restrain a handful of individuals (which often dosen't work anyway, just annoys the consumer) they should adapt; compete with the freedom offered by pirated media to the point where the end product is actually worth paying for. Digital Downloads (iTunes, Steam, etc) are the future and what the more intelligent companies have invested in. As much as I love my CD/DVD collection, being able to get instant access to all my media from anywhere with an internet connection is blissfully convieniant.
Ademaro Imre Caldari Eye of God	Posted - 2007.12.31 03:19:00 - [6] Edited by: Ademaro Imre on 31/12/2007 03:21:59 Originally by: annoing They'll find it hard to enforce it here in the UK. Its legal here to make a copy of your cd's, dvd's, games etc as a back-up in case of damage to the original. Its only illegal to upload to a site, p2p etc. Remember, its NOT illegal to download in the UK, just upload, as in sharing over torrent. What they will say is - yes you can make a CD copy, but you can't put it on your PC, only another CD. If you want a copy on your PC, then pay them to download it. At least they will try. They are also looking at ways to cash in on people using mp3 players, this is one of them. The whole effort is stupid. In 5 years, I doubt CD's will even be sole with media on them. Its like going to a store and trying to buy a movie on a VHS tape.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.12.31 04:00:00 - [7] What will happen to my records I've purchased on iTunes? Originally by: Tarminic Okay, that's it. You are on the KOS list, and you better pray that I don't have access to a locater agent.
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.31 04:01:00 - [8] /. has a clarification of this: They are going after people who put the mp3s in shared folders. If you just rip it to your computer, you're fine, though RIAA doesn't like it. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
lofty29 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.31 04:04:00 - [9] Edited by: lofty29 on 31/12/2007 04:04:27 Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny What will happen to my records I've purchased on iTunes? No, as Apple are****gots so you can only play them on iTunes / iPods. Edit - Also, people still USE limewire / kazaa / eMule? Wtf? --- Latest Video : FAT- Camp
Multras Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.31 04:43:00 - [10] I use limewire to get a single song, waffles for a whole cd. (no I dont got invites, dont ask) Thanks to EVE Art Store for the sig.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.12.31 04:47:00 - [11] Originally by: lofty29 Edited by: lofty29 on 31/12/2007 04:04:27 Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny What will happen to my records I've purchased on iTunes? No, as Apple are**gots so you can only play them on iTunes / iPods. Edit - Also, people still USE limewire / kazaa / eMule? Wtf? iTunes burns to CD just fine though Originally by:** Tarminic Okay, that's it. You are on the KOS list, and you better pray that I don't have access to a locater agent.
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2007.12.31 04:54:00 - [12] They've started offering downloads as MP3s now. EVE RELATED CONTENT
Rawr Cristina Caldari Cult of Rawr	Posted - 2007.12.31 05:04:00 - [13] I haven't used LW in some time now. Keeps being slow and full of fake/corrupted files and more SPAM than content The only 'downloading' I do is either the occasional purchase of a track I REALLY like or stream-ripping Internet Radio whilst I'm at work so I can listen to shows I like when I get home that I would have otherwised missed.
DarknessInc Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.12.31 05:37:00 - [14] This is REALLY gonna suck for all those teenagers copying their CDs to the computer to put onto their Ipods :O! Originally by: Viator Pilot Now I will go back to agents, already without the desire of adventures on the ass :)
Mtthias Clemi Gallente The Space Bastards	Posted - 2007.12.31 11:18:00 - [15] wait wait wait.. what? i cant put my music on my computer.. even though i own it??? -------------------------------------------- WHO NEEDS DRUGS?? ...no seriously, i have drugs...
Doctor Fruitloop	Posted - 2007.12.31 11:29:00 - [16] Fact - if there is an interface, it can be programmed into another interface to remove copyright programs. The MPAA may employ genius' to make these programs, but after a few weeks/days an interface is created and a CD cannot be reprogramed. I don't even listen to albums, Radio 2 ftw!! Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny BELIEVE IT!!! If you utter that...phrase...again, I swear to god I'll hunt you down and pod you
Frezik Basically Outdated Stereo Equiptment	Posted - 2007.12.31 14:57:00 - [17] Wow, this thread managed to be Godwined in the first post. The entertainment industry works by having properties that can be resold for decades on end. How much money do you think they're making off of Casablanca years after Bogart's death? (Yes, this example was shamelessly stolen from Neal Stephenson.) That's why there's such a push for next-gen DVD formats; many people have finished turning their collection of VHS tapes into DVDs, so now it's time to obsolete that collection and sell it to them again. So when people demand they be allowed to shift music between formats, the industry sees it as a threat to their business model. It's bad PR to tell folks that directly, though, so they label such people "pirates". Even if they've backed down on pushing that opinion in court, they're still going to use the label until the law becomes more clear on this issue (and probably after that, too).
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.31 17:07:00 - [18] Heh, won't stick in the UK or, as far as I know, the EU. UK law entitles you to every right to make computerised (or any) backups of any media that you own for private personal use. Seeing as the record industry lobbyists have nothing like the kind of influence here as they do in America, it's extremely unlikely that Parliament will vote to change it. I assume the EU law is the same, seeing as most UK copyright law is sync'd with the EU. Sucks to live in the US though. ------ Originally by: CCP Prism X There's no such thing as playing too much EvE! You all obviously need more accounts!
Benny Hill Caldari Deceased Inc	Posted - 2007.12.31 17:11:00 - [19] Originally by: Patch86 Heh, won't stick in the UK or, as far as I know, the EU. UK law entitles you to every right to make computerised (or any) backups of any media that you own for private personal use. Seeing as the record industry lobbyists have nothing like the kind of influence here as they do in America, it's extremely unlikely that Parliament will vote to change it. I assume the EU law is the same, seeing as most UK copyright law is sync'd with the EU. Sucks to live in the US though. Sure - create a CD image. That is what they will push for. Their end game is to make you buy every track that you use in portable players.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.31 17:19:00 - [20] Originally by: Benny Hill Originally by: Patch86 Heh, won't stick in the UK or, as far as I know, the EU. UK law entitles you to every right to make computerised (or any) backups of any media that you own for private personal use. Seeing as the record industry lobbyists have nothing like the kind of influence here as they do in America, it's extremely unlikely that Parliament will vote to change it. I assume the EU law is the same, seeing as most UK copyright law is sync'd with the EU. Sucks to live in the US though. Sure - create a CD image. That is what they will push for. Their end game is to make you buy every track that you use in portable players. Yah, but you miss the point. UK law says you're free to backup any media you own in any way you please. Literally, any way you can think of backing it up is legal as long as it isn't used to illegally distribute it later. To put it another way, UK law entitles owners of media to do what they like with it in the name of personal use, unless it is specified in the terms and conditions of the product (such as a shiny store-bought copy of Windows XP might have). Which is probably where the record companies would try to make their push- straight to the civil courts, and not the criminal ones. And we all know how much success companies have had trying to push TOC's and EULA's through courts which contradict national law... ------ Originally by: CCP Prism X There's no such thing as playing too much EvE! You all obviously need more accounts!
Benny Hill Caldari Deceased Inc	Posted - 2007.12.31 17:36:00 - [21] Originally by: Patch86 And we all know how much success companies have had trying to push TOC's and EULA's through courts which contradict national law... Until someone explains to an MP, that with some modifications to some laws, there will be a new taxable revenue stream.
Terail Zoqial	Posted - 2007.12.31 17:39:00 - [22] /me points and laughs at America. Wow, that place is serious care bear hell, with law suits if you fart in the wrong direction, corporations boning their customers and just general insanity. Lolz, whatever happened to the land of the free?
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2007.12.31 18:04:00 - [23] Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Benny Hill Originally by: Patch86 Heh, won't stick in the UK or, as far as I know, the EU. UK law entitles you to every right to make computerised (or any) backups of any media that you own for private personal use. Seeing as the record industry lobbyists have nothing like the kind of influence here as they do in America, it's extremely unlikely that Parliament will vote to change it. I assume the EU law is the same, seeing as most UK copyright law is sync'd with the EU. Sucks to live in the US though. Sure - create a CD image. That is what they will push for. Their end game is to make you buy every track that you use in portable players. Yah, but you miss the point. UK law says you're free to backup any media you own in any way you please. Literally, any way you can think of backing it up is legal as long as it isn't used to illegally distribute it later. To put it another way, UK law entitles owners of media to do what they like with it in the name of personal use, unless it is specified in the terms and conditions of the product (such as a shiny store-bought copy of Windows XP might have). Which is probably where the record companies would try to make their push- straight to the civil courts, and not the criminal ones. And we all know how much success companies have had trying to push TOC's and EULA's through courts which contradict national law... This seems to be in error. You may be able to make an archival copy legally (didn't actually find any language to that effect) but it certainly seems it needs to be unusable in the copied format. Just like the OP is on about in the US it seems it is illegal to make copies of your CDs to your computer in the UK (see below...seems the UK is currently more restrictive than the US): Quote: Put æfair useÆ right in UK copyright law, says NCC by out-law.com May 15th, 2006 Just 19% of people are aware that they break the law in the UK by copying a CD to their computer or iPod, according to the National Consumer Council (NCC), which wants to see a ôfair useö right inserted in the countryÆs ôabsurdö copyright laws. The survey was carried out for the NCC by YouGov. It found that 55% of consumers copy their CDs to other devices. Most of us are unwitting infringers: three in five Britons think that copying for personal use is legal. Other countries û including the US and most of the EU û provide a right to reproduce copyrighted material for private use. SOURCE: http://legalit.itproportal.com/?p=14
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.31 18:46:00 - [24] I stand corrected then. Been a few years since I failed my Law A Level ------ Originally by: CCP Prism X There's no such thing as playing too much EvE! You all obviously need more accounts!
MAXSuicide Cosmic Fusion	Posted - 2007.12.31 18:48:00 - [25] Originally by: Ademaro Imre Now, the music industry wants to sue you if you copy music from legally purchased CD's onto your computer. Download Uproar: Record Industry Goes After Personal Use i got a couple of balls here for them to suck.
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.12.31 18:56:00 - [26] Originally by: MAXSuicide Originally by: Ademaro Imre Now, the music industry wants to sue you if you copy music from legally purchased CD's onto your computer. Download Uproar: Record Industry Goes After Personal Use i got a couple of balls here for them to suck. I was thinking this earier aswell - by balls.... they are so dry.... so so dry.... ~Nyron Originally by: SoftRevolution Not liking Haruhi is like not liking puppies or rainbows or whisky.
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2007.12.31 19:46:00 - [27] One has to wonder how they would ever catch you making copies of your CDs to your computer. Assuming you never share the music with others they'd have to go all Big Brother on us to peek in the PC without our consent. Doubtless they would love to do that (RIAA is evil) but the implications are too profound to be ignored and I suspect they would never get the chance. At least I certainly hope not.
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction	Posted - 2007.12.31 20:07:00 - [28] Originally by: Imperator Jora'h One has to wonder how they would ever catch you making copies of your CDs to your computer. Assuming you never share the music with others they'd have to go all Big Brother on us to peek in the PC without our consent. Doubtless they would love to do that (RIAA is evil) but the implications are too profound to be ignored and I suspect they would never get the chance. At least I certainly hope not. RIAA Home Searches. EVE CCG Trinity Booster
Jenny Spitfire Caldari SIVAKASI	Posted - 2007.12.31 20:08:00 - [29] I can't understand why the music industry not make it so that CDs when tracks are copied, there are hardware and software support to make them invalid. It would make tracks on CDs no longer exist when they are moved to iPods or hard disk or something. The same goes for moving tracks from PCs to CDs, etc. Then make it so that tampering with the industry standard hardware and software copy protection mechanism is a criminal offense. That would make everyone happy, wouldn't it? People get to move tracks that they own around and owners don't have to remember what is allowed or not allowed to do. Record owners don't have to worry who is buying one CD and making a few redundant copies of tracks elsewhere. If I own 2 same CDs then I legally own 2 copies of tracks that I can move around. By the way, I am talking about activated tracks or something like that. Would that be accepted? --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Recruitment -KB-
Sister Impotentata Elite Angels Of Death	Posted - 2007.12.31 21:12:00 - [30] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire I can't understand why the music industry not make it so that CDs when tracks are copied, there are hardware and software support to make them invalid. It would make tracks on CDs no longer exist when they are moved to iPods or hard disk or something. The same goes for moving tracks from PCs to CDs, etc. Then make it so that tampering with the industry standard hardware and software copy protection mechanism is a criminal offense. That would make everyone happy, wouldn't it? People get to move tracks that they own around and owners don't have to remember what is allowed or not allowed to do. Record owners don't have to worry who is buying one CD and making a few redundant copies of tracks elsewhere. If I own 2 same CDs then I legally own 2 copies of tracks that I can move around. By the way, I am talking about activated tracks or something like that. Would that be accepted? What happens when my hard drive crashes. Do I get my tracks reactivated on my CD? Automagically? ----- TANSTAAFL Originally by: Patricia Arquette There were lots of stars at night. purple and red and yellow and on fire You don't see that. You might still see it in the desert.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.12.31 21:23:00 - [31] Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 31/12/2007 21:24:23 Originally by: Cmdr Sy Originally by: Imperator Jora'h One has to wonder how they would ever catch you making copies of your CDs to your computer. Assuming you never share the music with others they'd have to go all Big Brother on us to peek in the PC without our consent. Doubtless they would love to do that (RIAA is evil) but the implications are too profound to be ignored and I suspect they would never get the chance. At least I certainly hope not. RIAA Home Searches. They are not coming in... my friend, Mr. .44 magnum says so He's a very eloquent speaker... and if he fails, Mr. .40 S&W makes a great backup speaker. Originally by: Tarminic Okay, that's it. You are on the KOS list, and you better pray that I don't have access to a locater agent.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari SIVAKASI	Posted - 2007.12.31 21:39:00 - [32] Originally by: Sister Impotentata What happens when my hard drive crashes. Do I get my tracks reactivated on my CD? Automagically? I am sure they would have a local distributor customer support helpline. You send the CD back and a few dollars for postage and replacement CD with the reason for requesting for a new copy. It is like the limited warranty clause when you buy a boxed game. How would that sound, is it easy, fair and square? I mean everyone is happy isn't it? It is not like your drive fails every day. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Recruitment -KB-
Sister Impotentata Elite Angels Of Death	Posted - 2007.12.31 21:47:00 - [33] I'm with Smith&Wesson's Bunny, though I prefer to use more, shall we say, organic means. Soniren's Victoria III in "Davy Crockett Nuclear Mortar config," Stryker chambered for 155mm, and wee little Fleck, in fifty cal. Also, Stryker, in the winter theater, with buckyball detonator. Go for it RIAA. Strike my dogs down, and I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine. ----- TANSTAAFL Originally by: Patricia Arquette There were lots of stars at night. purple and red and yellow and on fire You don't see that. You might still see it in the desert.
Marisal	Posted - 2007.12.31 21:52:00 - [34] Skimmed through most of the thread but I find this headline strange for a couple of reasons, this is after a year in which a number of record labels has almost utterly abandoned DRM in favour of a slightly higher price tag for media with more freedom's attached (these are often companies that have been at the forefront of new media formats) yet this article suggests that a group of record companies are going in the opposite direction. Does this signify a split in philosophies by entertainment companies. Another thing that gets me is that the media market is changing rapidly these days and culture is too its shifted to a more on demand entertainment society yet the media industry seems to lag behind in this heck it still takes months for things to cross from US to UK markets with little reason other than classification and royalties contracts. I guess the question should be does the media industry feel that its missed the on-line band wagon and is not trying to isolate itself from it until it can come up with a plan that has firmer controls on content than currently exist after all the laws that apply to the internet are still regionally defined which means more paperwork if content is to be available across the board.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.01.01 00:47:00 - [35] Wall of ice, etc - DesuSigs
MalVortex	Posted - 2008.01.01 01:18:00 - [36] RIAA. LOL! How much do you think old Hinds go for? Couple rocket pods, couple thousand rounds of chaingun ammo... I'm sure we can find a diplomatic solution to all this insanity....
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2008.01.01 01:36:00 - [37] Originally by: Sister Impotentata I'm with Smith&Wesson's Bunny, though I prefer to use more, shall we say, organic means. Soniren's Victoria III in "Davy Crockett Nuclear Mortar config," Stryker chambered for 155mm, and wee little Fleck, in fifty cal. Also, Stryker, in the winter theater, with buckyball detonator. Go for it RIAA. Strike my dogs down, and I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine. I want a puppy!!! But I got too many animals right now... people love to dump the cats they don't want on my street and they always find their way to my driveway and then I have to keep them because they meow at me Originally by: Tarminic Okay, that's it. You are on the KOS list, and you better pray that I don't have access to a locater agent.
Sister Impotentata Elite Angels Of Death	Posted - 2008.01.01 02:20:00 - [38] Edited by: Sister Impotentata on 01/01/2008 02:20:25 Don't be sad. That is the best... nay only... way to adopt a cat. If you make your home friendly to a cat, and a cat decides to accept you, you have win. Be happy. It means you are good people. All the cats that have joined me in the last twenty years have come in this fashion. They've joined me despite the dogs. Are you really seeking a good GSD pup? I can make connections. ----- TANSTAAFL Originally by: Patricia Arquette There were lots of stars at night. purple and red and yellow and on fire You don't see that. You might still see it in the desert.
Whang'Lo	Posted - 2008.01.01 12:23:00 - [39] The only possible way I can think of that the music industry could even come close to stopping digital music sharing is to go back to an analog format. As long as music is distributed in a digital format of any kind it can be copied perfectly. Analog music now thats another story. This whole topic always reminds me of when the software pirating association was trying to go after people for "contributory copyright infringement". This is what they were calling it when people would put links on their website directing people to other sites with copyrighted stuff on it. There is literally millions of internet servers out there. And anyone can in .00001 of a sec put a link to one of those servers. And anyone with the greatest of ease can dump a copyrighted MP3 on one those servers. Get rid of copyrighted MP3's off the net? Seriously do these people have like no clue whatsoever as to how the internet works.
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2008.01.01 13:51:00 - [40] Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 01/01/2008 13:55:26 Originally by: Sister Impotentata I'm with Smith&Wesson's Bunny, though I prefer to use more, shall we say, organic means. Soniren's Victoria III in "Davy Crockett Nuclear Mortar config," Stryker chambered for 155mm, and wee little Fleck, in fifty cal. Also, Stryker, in the winter theater, with buckyball detonator. Go for it RIAA. Strike my dogs down, and I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine. GSD's rock! I am more than a little upset to find the pics of my GSD have gone missing...need to sort that out. While I love all dogs I have grown up with GSDs since I was born. Absolutely amazing animals. I will say I think GSDs have suffered terribly from overbreeding and finding a good one requires a fair bit of effort and when you find one they will likely be quite expensive. My pup (8 year old pup) is actually a Shiloh Shepherd which is a sort of re-bred GSD. My wife refused to get a GSD due to temperament issues with poorly bred examples (and I argued against her and then had my in-law's GSD almost take my lip off for no reason [really, I was just sitting there]...total fail). I stumbled across the Shiloh and my wife lost all of her complaints about the GSD in one go. Essentially with the Shiloh they aimed to bring the German Shepherd back to the ideal of Rin Tin Tin. The super dog that did all and I can attest they succeeded. Simply spectacular dogs. Adjectives fail...truly win from nose to tail. Unfortunately some unscrupulous breeders have dug in to the Shiloh lines to make money but the good breeders are literally fanatical about keeping their lines healthy and improving. Expect to pay thousands for one of their dogs though (worth ever penny IMO). EDIT: And before anyone says GSDs in the US are fine consider that US law enforcement agencies acquire all their GSDs from overseas and NOT within the US. Weird to see Homeland Security going to the Czech Republic for dogs.
Aredin	Posted - 2008.01.02 04:01:00 - [41] Edited by: Aredin on 02/01/2008 04:03:49 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire I can't understand why the music industry not make it so that CDs when tracks are copied, there are hardware and software support to make them invalid. It would make tracks on CDs no longer exist when they are moved to iPods or hard disk or something. The same goes for moving tracks from PCs to CDs, etc. Then make it so that tampering with the industry standard hardware and software copy protection mechanism is a criminal offense. That would make everyone happy, wouldn't it? People get to move tracks that they own around and owners don't have to remember what is allowed or not allowed to do. Record owners don't have to worry who is buying one CD and making a few redundant copies of tracks elsewhere. If I own 2 same CDs then I legally own 2 copies of tracks that I can move around. By the way, I am talking about activated tracks or something like that. Would that be accepted? Anything that is supported/powered by software can be hacked. Anything supported directly by hardware MIGHT be hacked, but will definitely by expensive and put off consumers. So what they do instead is sue their customers and put them off that way instead. I swear the recording industry is handling the digital age very, VERY poorly. Anyways, it's a good thing that the only music I listen to was created to be distributed for free. /edit: changed *****ed to hacked due to bad word filter...
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.01.02 06:41:00 - [42] then they should be going after Microsoft for giving windows media player the ability to copy mp3s from a cd... M$ has way more cash than college students.
Miniturret Amarr Rum Runners Inc	Posted - 2008.01.02 11:26:00 - [43] On the animal note - I wish I had a dog but my family has cats. All of which were ones which we rescued or adopted us (in door cats anyways) the outdoor cats randomly appear and disappear. We don't ask questions, we just put food out (i love living on a farm with three big red barns that people drive by and drop their unwanted pets off at, bastages) On the music note - Providing that you copy the music over without being online at the time and then either move it to a protected folder or a non-shared folder your pretty free to do whatever. I use external HDD's which can be easily smashed and scattered if it comes down to it. Plus if I notice a program suddenly pop up that I haven't allowed access there goes all the hdd plugs from the computer (paranoid - YES) ----------------------------- Rum Runners Inc Transport Service for all your hauling needs
Hooch Flux Caldari	Posted - 2008.01.02 11:43:00 - [44] Edited by: Hooch Flux on 02/01/2008 11:43:59 Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton then they should be going after Microsoft for giving windows media player the ability to copy mp3s from a cd... M$ has way more cash than college students. Cause that would just be hilarious for the whole 5 min's that would last. "O.K, let's Sue M$, wait they just bought the Law firm we work for and we're all fired." Probably more likely the reason they choose to sue easy targets instead of "OMGWTFIbeenowned" huge companies with legal budgets greater than that of most contries. I say prep for dustoff, nuke the site from orbit... Only way to be sure!
benzss The Highwayman Union	Posted - 2008.01.02 15:17:00 - [45] God I hate record companies. They should be looking at ways to exploit and market new technology rather than clinging on unnecessarily to the old. Smacks of desperation, really.
Reiisha Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence	Posted - 2008.01.04 07:32:00 - [46] In 10 or 20 years those lobby buffoons will have died out, and the internet generation will be in control. We probably won't have to deal with the current "copyright" issues, although i suspect DRM will survive in a more subtle form. In any case, let the old windbags have their final years of unrest, decreasing profits and ignorance, they're the ones that are working so hard for it :) EVE History Wiki

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