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Ademaro Imre Caldari Eye of God	Posted - 2007.12.31 02:07:00 - [1] Now, the music industry wants to sue you if you copy music from legally purchased CD's onto your computer. Download Uproar: Record Industry Goes After Personal Use
LUH 3471	Posted - 2007.12.31 02:14:00 - [2] Edited by: LUH 3471 on 31/12/2007 02:15:23 this is exactly like h.adolf and his v2 (vergeltungswaffe 2) from a tactial perspective only here h.adolf is the music industry and the v2 their hopeless measures fun fun
annoing Amarr MisFunk Inc. Frontline.	Posted - 2007.12.31 02:37:00 - [3] They'll find it hard to enforce it here in the UK. Its legal here to make a copy of your cd's, dvd's, games etc as a back-up in case of damage to the original. Its only illegal to upload to a site, p2p etc. Remember, its NOT illegal to download in the UK, just upload, as in sharing over torrent. Originally by: Ian Holloway Smooth as a cashmere codpiece
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.12.31 02:59:00 - [4] phew, good thing I only use mp4s Originally by: Tarminic Okay, that's it. You are on the KOS list, and you better pray that I don't have access to a locater agent.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Cult of Rawr	Posted - 2007.12.31 03:14:00 - [5] So how is copying a track from a CD to your Computer (for your own convieniance and ability to make playlists etc) stealing or piracy in any form? Surely that would require you having acquired media you haven't actually payed for or distributing it to others for free? They expect you to use nothing but the original CDs every time you want to listen to your music? There's hundreds of solutions and ways to decrease piracy, but it seems the RIAA no longer cares about consumers and are willing to use brute-force methods to solve only slightly related problems, which at the end of the day does nothing but punish the people who legally purchase media. Piracy was never on the rise because more people didn't want to pay for things - it's because pirated media is often better these days than what you would legally obtain and people are becoming more aware of that fact. Instead of restricting the freedom of every legitimate consumer in order to restrain a handful of individuals (which often dosen't work anyway, just annoys the consumer) they should adapt; compete with the freedom offered by pirated media to the point where the end product is actually worth paying for. Digital Downloads (iTunes, Steam, etc) are the future and what the more intelligent companies have invested in. As much as I love my CD/DVD collection, being able to get instant access to all my media from anywhere with an internet connection is blissfully convieniant.
Ademaro Imre Caldari Eye of God	Posted - 2007.12.31 03:19:00 - [6] Edited by: Ademaro Imre on 31/12/2007 03:21:59 Originally by: annoing They'll find it hard to enforce it here in the UK. Its legal here to make a copy of your cd's, dvd's, games etc as a back-up in case of damage to the original. Its only illegal to upload to a site, p2p etc. Remember, its NOT illegal to download in the UK, just upload, as in sharing over torrent. What they will say is - yes you can make a CD copy, but you can't put it on your PC, only another CD. If you want a copy on your PC, then pay them to download it. At least they will try. They are also looking at ways to cash in on people using mp3 players, this is one of them. The whole effort is stupid. In 5 years, I doubt CD's will even be sole with media on them. Its like going to a store and trying to buy a movie on a VHS tape.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.12.31 04:00:00 - [7] What will happen to my records I've purchased on iTunes? Originally by: Tarminic Okay, that's it. You are on the KOS list, and you better pray that I don't have access to a locater agent.
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.12.31 04:01:00 - [8] /. has a clarification of this: They are going after people who put the mp3s in shared folders. If you just rip it to your computer, you're fine, though RIAA doesn't like it. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
lofty29 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.31 04:04:00 - [9] Edited by: lofty29 on 31/12/2007 04:04:27 Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny What will happen to my records I've purchased on iTunes? No, as Apple are****gots so you can only play them on iTunes / iPods. Edit - Also, people still USE limewire / kazaa / eMule? Wtf? --- Latest Video : FAT- Camp
Multras Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.31 04:43:00 - [10] I use limewire to get a single song, waffles for a whole cd. (no I dont got invites, dont ask) Thanks to EVE Art Store for the sig.

Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.12.31 04:47:00 - [11] Originally by: lofty29 Edited by: lofty29 on 31/12/2007 04:04:27 Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny What will happen to my records I've purchased on iTunes? No, as Apple are**gots so you can only play them on iTunes / iPods. Edit - Also, people still USE limewire / kazaa / eMule? Wtf? iTunes burns to CD just fine though Originally by:** Tarminic Okay, that's it. You are on the KOS list, and you better pray that I don't have access to a locater agent.
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2007.12.31 04:54:00 - [12] They've started offering downloads as MP3s now. EVE RELATED CONTENT
Rawr Cristina Caldari Cult of Rawr	Posted - 2007.12.31 05:04:00 - [13] I haven't used LW in some time now. Keeps being slow and full of fake/corrupted files and more SPAM than content The only 'downloading' I do is either the occasional purchase of a track I REALLY like or stream-ripping Internet Radio whilst I'm at work so I can listen to shows I like when I get home that I would have otherwised missed.
DarknessInc Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.12.31 05:37:00 - [14] This is REALLY gonna suck for all those teenagers copying their CDs to the computer to put onto their Ipods :O! Originally by: Viator Pilot Now I will go back to agents, already without the desire of adventures on the ass :)
Mtthias Clemi Gallente The Space Bastards	Posted - 2007.12.31 11:18:00 - [15] wait wait wait.. what? i cant put my music on my computer.. even though i own it??? -------------------------------------------- WHO NEEDS DRUGS?? ...no seriously, i have drugs...
Doctor Fruitloop	Posted - 2007.12.31 11:29:00 - [16] Fact - if there is an interface, it can be programmed into another interface to remove copyright programs. The MPAA may employ genius' to make these programs, but after a few weeks/days an interface is created and a CD cannot be reprogramed. I don't even listen to albums, Radio 2 ftw!! Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny BELIEVE IT!!! If you utter that...phrase...again, I swear to god I'll hunt you down and pod you
Frezik Basically Outdated Stereo Equiptment	Posted - 2007.12.31 14:57:00 - [17] Wow, this thread managed to be Godwined in the first post. The entertainment industry works by having properties that can be resold for decades on end. How much money do you think they're making off of Casablanca years after Bogart's death? (Yes, this example was shamelessly stolen from Neal Stephenson.) That's why there's such a push for next-gen DVD formats; many people have finished turning their collection of VHS tapes into DVDs, so now it's time to obsolete that collection and sell it to them again. So when people demand they be allowed to shift music between formats, the industry sees it as a threat to their business model. It's bad PR to tell folks that directly, though, so they label such people "pirates". Even if they've backed down on pushing that opinion in court, they're still going to use the label until the law becomes more clear on this issue (and probably after that, too).
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.31 17:07:00 - [18] Heh, won't stick in the UK or, as far as I know, the EU. UK law entitles you to every right to make computerised (or any) backups of any media that you own for private personal use. Seeing as the record industry lobbyists have nothing like the kind of influence here as they do in America, it's extremely unlikely that Parliament will vote to change it. I assume the EU law is the same, seeing as most UK copyright law is sync'd with the EU. Sucks to live in the US though. ------ Originally by: CCP Prism X There's no such thing as playing too much EvE! You all obviously need more accounts!
Benny Hill Caldari Deceased Inc	Posted - 2007.12.31 17:11:00 - [19] Originally by: Patch86 Heh, won't stick in the UK or, as far as I know, the EU. UK law entitles you to every right to make computerised (or any) backups of any media that you own for private personal use. Seeing as the record industry lobbyists have nothing like the kind of influence here as they do in America, it's extremely unlikely that Parliament will vote to change it. I assume the EU law is the same, seeing as most UK copyright law is sync'd with the EU. Sucks to live in the US though. Sure - create a CD image. That is what they will push for. Their end game is to make you buy every track that you use in portable players.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.31 17:19:00 - [20] Originally by: Benny Hill Originally by: Patch86 Heh, won't stick in the UK or, as far as I know, the EU. UK law entitles you to every right to make computerised (or any) backups of any media that you own for private personal use. Seeing as the record industry lobbyists have nothing like the kind of influence here as they do in America, it's extremely unlikely that Parliament will vote to change it. I assume the EU law is the same, seeing as most UK copyright law is sync'd with the EU. Sucks to live in the US though. Sure - create a CD image. That is what they will push for. Their end game is to make you buy every track that you use in portable players. Yah, but you miss the point. UK law says you're free to backup any media you own in any way you please. Literally, any way you can think of backing it up is legal as long as it isn't used to illegally distribute it later. To put it another way, UK law entitles owners of media to do what they like with it in the name of personal use, unless it is specified in the terms and conditions of the product (such as a shiny store-bought copy of Windows XP might have). Which is probably where the record companies would try to make their push- straight to the civil courts, and not the criminal ones. And we all know how much success companies have had trying to push TOC's and EULA's through courts which contradict national law... ------ Originally by: CCP Prism X There's no such thing as playing too much EvE! You all obviously need more accounts!

Benny Hill Caldari Deceased Inc	Posted - 2007.12.31 17:36:00 - [21] Originally by: Patch86 And we all know how much success companies have had trying to push TOC's and EULA's through courts which contradict national law... Until someone explains to an MP, that with some modifications to some laws, there will be a new taxable revenue stream.
Terail Zoqial	Posted - 2007.12.31 17:39:00 - [22] /me points and laughs at America. Wow, that place is serious care bear hell, with law suits if you fart in the wrong direction, corporations boning their customers and just general insanity. Lolz, whatever happened to the land of the free?
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2007.12.31 18:04:00 - [23] Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Benny Hill Originally by: Patch86 Heh, won't stick in the UK or, as far as I know, the EU. UK law entitles you to every right to make computerised (or any) backups of any media that you own for private personal use. Seeing as the record industry lobbyists have nothing like the kind of influence here as they do in America, it's extremely unlikely that Parliament will vote to change it. I assume the EU law is the same, seeing as most UK copyright law is sync'd with the EU. Sucks to live in the US though. Sure - create a CD image. That is what they will push for. Their end game is to make you buy every track that you use in portable players. Yah, but you miss the point. UK law says you're free to backup any media you own in any way you please. Literally, any way you can think of backing it up is legal as long as it isn't used to illegally distribute it later. To put it another way, UK law entitles owners of media to do what they like with it in the name of personal use, unless it is specified in the terms and conditions of the product (such as a shiny store-bought copy of Windows XP might have). Which is probably where the record companies would try to make their push- straight to the civil courts, and not the criminal ones. And we all know how much success companies have had trying to push TOC's and EULA's through courts which contradict national law... This seems to be in error. You may be able to make an archival copy legally (didn't actually find any language to that effect) but it certainly seems it needs to be unusable in the copied format. Just like the OP is on about in the US it seems it is illegal to make copies of your CDs to your computer in the UK (see below...seems the UK is currently more restrictive than the US): Quote: Put æfair useÆ right in UK copyright law, says NCC by out-law.com May 15th, 2006 Just 19% of people are aware that they break the law in the UK by copying a CD to their computer or iPod, according to the National Consumer Council (NCC), which wants to see a ôfair useö right inserted in the countryÆs ôabsurdö copyright laws. The survey was carried out for the NCC by YouGov. It found that 55% of consumers copy their CDs to other devices. Most of us are unwitting infringers: three in five Britons think that copying for personal use is legal. Other countries û including the US and most of the EU û provide a right to reproduce copyrighted material for private use. SOURCE: http://legalit.itproportal.com/?p=14
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.31 18:46:00 - [24] I stand corrected then. Been a few years since I failed my Law A Level ------ Originally by: CCP Prism X There's no such thing as playing too much EvE! You all obviously need more accounts!
MAXSuicide Cosmic Fusion	Posted - 2007.12.31 18:48:00 - [25] Originally by: Ademaro Imre Now, the music industry wants to sue you if you copy music from legally purchased CD's onto your computer. Download Uproar: Record Industry Goes After Personal Use i got a couple of balls here for them to suck.
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2007.12.31 18:56:00 - [26] Originally by: MAXSuicide Originally by: Ademaro Imre Now, the music industry wants to sue you if you copy music from legally purchased CD's onto your computer. Download Uproar: Record Industry Goes After Personal Use i got a couple of balls here for them to suck. I was thinking this earier aswell - by balls.... they are so dry.... so so dry.... ~Nyron Originally by: SoftRevolution Not liking Haruhi is like not liking puppies or rainbows or whisky.
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2007.12.31 19:46:00 - [27] One has to wonder how they would ever catch you making copies of your CDs to your computer. Assuming you never share the music with others they'd have to go all Big Brother on us to peek in the PC without our consent. Doubtless they would love to do that (RIAA is evil) but the implications are too profound to be ignored and I suspect they would never get the chance. At least I certainly hope not.
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction	Posted - 2007.12.31 20:07:00 - [28] Originally by: Imperator Jora'h One has to wonder how they would ever catch you making copies of your CDs to your computer. Assuming you never share the music with others they'd have to go all Big Brother on us to peek in the PC without our consent. Doubtless they would love to do that (RIAA is evil) but the implications are too profound to be ignored and I suspect they would never get the chance. At least I certainly hope not. RIAA Home Searches. EVE CCG Trinity Booster
Jenny Spitfire Caldari SIVAKASI	Posted - 2007.12.31 20:08:00 - [29] I can't understand why the music industry not make it so that CDs when tracks are copied, there are hardware and software support to make them invalid. It would make tracks on CDs no longer exist when they are moved to iPods or hard disk or something. The same goes for moving tracks from PCs to CDs, etc. Then make it so that tampering with the industry standard hardware and software copy protection mechanism is a criminal offense. That would make everyone happy, wouldn't it? People get to move tracks that they own around and owners don't have to remember what is allowed or not allowed to do. Record owners don't have to worry who is buying one CD and making a few redundant copies of tracks elsewhere. If I own 2 same CDs then I legally own 2 copies of tracks that I can move around. By the way, I am talking about activated tracks or something like that. Would that be accepted? --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Recruitment -KB-
Sister Impotentata Elite Angels Of Death	Posted - 2007.12.31 21:12:00 - [30] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire I can't understand why the music industry not make it so that CDs when tracks are copied, there are hardware and software support to make them invalid. It would make tracks on CDs no longer exist when they are moved to iPods or hard disk or something. The same goes for moving tracks from PCs to CDs, etc. Then make it so that tampering with the industry standard hardware and software copy protection mechanism is a criminal offense. That would make everyone happy, wouldn't it? People get to move tracks that they own around and owners don't have to remember what is allowed or not allowed to do. Record owners don't have to worry who is buying one CD and making a few redundant copies of tracks elsewhere. If I own 2 same CDs then I legally own 2 copies of tracks that I can move around. By the way, I am talking about activated tracks or something like that. Would that be accepted? What happens when my hard drive crashes. Do I get my tracks reactivated on my CD? Automagically? ----- TANSTAAFL Originally by: Patricia Arquette There were lots of stars at night. purple and red and yellow and on fire You don't see that. You might still see it in the desert.



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