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Tark en Chalune
Taggart Transdimensional
Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2012.02.10 02:53:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:Tark en Chalune wrote:
He was being honest about his personal philosophy, and where he is coming from.
while being honest about his glaring defects is commendable it does not erase those glaring defects
So a philosophy that demands that you not expect others to sacrifice themselves involuntarily for your personal gain is a defect?
OK then.
Your honesty is also laudible. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
9172
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Posted - 2012.02.10 02:56:00 -
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Best wishes! May the best bootstraps win.
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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
9172
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Posted - 2012.02.10 02:58:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Tark en Chalune wrote:
Your ad hominum attack is a bit amusing and hypocritical. The philosophy of the people he plays and associates with makes him no less effective than that of someone who is part of a group of folks that spend a lot of time parodying and trolling folks from, say, an internet forum?
Ad hominem. And yes, objectivism essentially disqualifies you from being an effective representative. Seriously, no sane person on the planet would trust a human being who believes in rationalized selfishness (or rational self-interest, for those of you who get offended when its called what it is) to hold their best interests to heart. It is fundamentally incompatible with the philosophy.
Why would someone be offended that "rational self-interest" is sometimes called "rationalized selfishness"? Ayn Rand herself penned a book titled The Virtue of Selfishness, and made frequent use of both terms. I don't understand.
Sky Captain of Your Heart;
Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com;
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Tchaikav
Taggart Transdimensional
Virtue of Selfishness
0
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Posted - 2012.02.10 03:14:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:And yes, objectivism essentially disqualifies you from being an effective representative. Seriously, no sane person on the planet would trust a human being who believes in rationalized selfishness (or rational self-interest, for those of you who get offended when its called what it is) to hold their best interests to heart.
Politicians: Power hungry objectivists hiding themselves in ranks of socialistic society. They tout a "for the people" view while in fact are looking out for only themselves and their interests. They lie to their followers to make the largest possible group happy. Their attempts to appease the masses drives them and their followers into mediocrity.
I say it does not disqualify you at all. It may in fact be a requirement. I like a person who can be honest about their selfishness and clearly states his interest. You can trust him to look out for himself and do what he thinks best for himself.
He represents himself, a WH pilot that wants to see some changes. If you want the same changes that he wants then vote for him. If you want the same politicians keeping the status quo, maintaining their empires then vote for those that wish for nothing to change. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
654
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Posted - 2012.02.10 04:24:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:
Why would someone be offended that "rational self-interest" is sometimes called "rationalized selfishness"? Ayn Rand herself penned a book titled The Virtue of Selfishness, and made frequent use of both terms. I don't understand.
I've met quite a few objectivists who didn't take kindly to being called selfish pricks.
Tark en Chalune wrote:
If you feel that forcing others to sacrifice their efforts for your political/social goals is laudible, then yes, he would not represent you well.
I wouldn't expect an objectivist to understand a concept like "mutual benefit", to be honest. Forcing others? Far from it.
Tark en Chalune wrote:
It means that folks he has done business with trust him to keep his word. I suppose this is an instant disqualification for political office then?
It is irrelevant. Political positions demands a very specific skillset. The ability to argue a point clearly, the ability to motivate listeners, the ability to tell a story. Things entirely unrelated to being a broker.
Tchaikav wrote:
Politicians: Power hungry objectivists hiding themselves in ranks of socialistic society. They tout a "for the people" view while in fact are looking out for only themselves and their interests. They lie to their followers to make the largest possible group happy. Their attempts to appease the masses drives them and their followers into mediocrity.
This is hardly true in every case. Hell, quite a few politicians consistently vote against their own opinions (which they had stated publicly before) because they believe their position exists specifically to be an extension of their constituents.
A vote for Akirei is a vote for Awesome! |
Viriato Pulo
Taggart Transdimensional
Virtue of Selfishness
0
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Posted - 2012.02.11 06:08:00 -
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It's as simple as to ask yourselves whether his program makes sense and is desirable. Any other considerations are fait divers launched by people with different (and dare I say it - selfish) agendas.
The suggestions make sense and would make operating my wh that much easier. Therefore LA has my support. ' nough said. |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3859
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Posted - 2012.02.11 06:14:00 -
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if you people didn't hide in a wormhole i'd burn you to ashes with even more gusto than i would a corp of furries
actually maybe i'll have your wormhole found and you purged, had i known of your existence earlier i'd have done something
The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3859
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Posted - 2012.02.11 06:15:00 -
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and i'm sure two step doesn't appreciate the competition for wormhole votes, either
The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
VCBee 2fast2furious
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.02.11 14:50:00 -
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not sure which is the more horrible part of the OP; objectivism, or wanting T3 frigates. |
Skex Relbore
The Dominion of Light
BLACK-MARK
68
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Posted - 2012.02.11 17:23:00 -
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VCBee 2fast2furious wrote:not sure which is the more horrible part of the OP; objectivism, or wanting T3 frigates.
Objectivism by a few hundred light years. |
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Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.02.14 15:40:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:if you people didn't hide in a wormhole i'd burn you to ashes with even more gusto than i would a corp of furries
actually maybe i'll have your wormhole found and you purged, had i known of your existence earlier i'd have done something
I'm willing to alarm clock this op if it happens. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
794
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Posted - 2012.02.14 15:55:00 -
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Johnny Marzetti wrote:The Mittani wrote:if you people didn't hide in a wormhole i'd burn you to ashes with even more gusto than i would a corp of furries
actually maybe i'll have your wormhole found and you purged, had i known of your existence earlier i'd have done something I'm willing to alarm clock this op if it happens.
Same.
Purging Objectivism from EVE? I'd be there every damn day on every damn op, and probably start a few of my own.
A vote for Akirei is a vote for Awesome! |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.02.14 16:19:00 -
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One CFC fleet after another, pounding your wormhole. Better go Galt.
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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
9741
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Posted - 2012.02.15 05:22:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Tchaikav wrote:
Politicians: Power hungry objectivists hiding themselves in ranks of socialistic society. They tout a "for the people" view while in fact are looking out for only themselves and their interests. They lie to their followers to make the largest possible group happy. Their attempts to appease the masses drives them and their followers into mediocrity.
This is hardly true in every case. Hell, quite a few politicians consistently vote against their own opinions (which they had stated publicly before) because they believe their position exists specifically to be an extension of their constituents.
That is exactly my campaign promise, as it happens: to give up my own opinion entirely and to become an appendage of the People.
Sky Captain of Your Heart;
Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com;
Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM
Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM7. |
Khyra Rae
Taggart Transdimensional
Virtue of Selfishness
0
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Posted - 2012.02.15 08:11:00 -
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"I don't like your ideas... I'm gonna come beat you up!"
-Wow intelligent much?
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Khyra Rae
Taggart Transdimensional
Virtue of Selfishness
0
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Posted - 2012.02.15 08:16:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:Tchaikav wrote:
Politicians: Power hungry objectivists hiding themselves in ranks of socialistic society. They tout a "for the people" view while in fact are looking out for only themselves and their interests. They lie to their followers to make the largest possible group happy. Their attempts to appease the masses drives them and their followers into mediocrity.
This is hardly true in every case. Hell, quite a few politicians consistently vote against their own opinions (which they had stated publicly before) because they believe their position exists specifically to be an extension of their constituents. That is exactly my campaign promise, as it happens: to give up my own opinion entirely and to become an appendage of the People.
So you mean Spine-less, correct? That is exactly what I look for in a leader, someone who is spine-less. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
31
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Posted - 2012.02.15 12:35:00 -
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Khyra Rae wrote:
So you mean Spine-less, correct? That is exactly what I look for in a leader, someone who is spine-less.
No, he said he wants to be your appendage. I think he would be an outstanding member of the CSM for that very reason.
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Khyra Rae
Taggart Transdimensional
Virtue of Selfishness
0
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Posted - 2012.02.15 15:39:00 -
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Oh, I see. So puppet would be a more accurate description then? |
HELIC0N ONE
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
136
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Posted - 2012.02.15 20:59:00 -
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Lucius Arcturus wrote:**UPDATE: Sadly, due to RL issues I won't be able to continue in the CSM race this year. But thanks to those who supported me, and best of luck to the other candidates!**
Just to clarify, the real-life issue stopping you from running is the fact that your real life opinions mark you as someone nobody would want to share a planet with, never mind vote for in a spaceship forum. |
Berke Negri
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.02.15 22:45:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:if you people didn't hide in a wormhole i'd burn you to ashes with even more gusto than i would a corp of furries
actually maybe i'll have your wormhole found and you purged, had i known of your existence earlier i'd have done something
my ceo |
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