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EvilPhog Amarr Dark-Rising	Posted - 2008.01.03 12:50:00 - [31] Go go Team Pro-Royal!
Bey Locus Gallente Qalandar	Posted - 2008.01.03 14:49:00 - [32] Originally by: ToxicFire Edited by: ToxicFire on 03/01/2008 12:18:54 Edited by: ToxicFire on 03/01/2008 12:14:35 Originally by: Bey Locus I find it absolutely hilarious, and somewhat disturbing, that there are English people who still cling on to some outmoded notion of a Greater Britain You think that any members of the Commonwealth, other than those with a rapid onset of dementia give a toss about the Queen or the once mighty land? Your world power status ended years ago. Get used to it. hits you with a referendum in Australia that kept the queen as head of state over there Think that kind proves that members of the commonwealth even those far removed from their head of state still give a toss. And before you come up with some rubbish about a vote not really been representative it is a legal requirement to vote in Australia though you can abstain you still have to vote so is far more representative than most democratic elections in the world. did you miss the part about dementia in my post? the vote in australia had more to do with what would replace the queen as head of state than the question of the queen herself. that's why it was narrowly voted down, not because australians love their queen. there will be another referendum soon. lets see what the vote is then.
Thorliaron	Posted - 2008.01.03 15:31:00 - [33] Edited by: Thorliaron on 03/01/2008 15:31:43 Originally by: Bey Locus Originally by: ToxicFire Edited by: ToxicFire on 03/01/2008 12:18:54 Edited by: ToxicFire on 03/01/2008 12:14:35 Originally by: Bey Locus I find it absolutely hilarious, and somewhat disturbing, that there are English people who still cling on to some outmoded notion of a Greater Britain You think that any members of the Commonwealth, other than those with a rapid onset of dementia give a toss about the Queen or the once mighty land? Your world power status ended years ago. Get used to it. hits you with a referendum in Australia that kept the queen as head of state over there Think that kind proves that members of the commonwealth even those far removed from their head of state still give a toss. And before you come up with some rubbish about a vote not really been representative it is a legal requirement to vote in Australia though you can abstain you still have to vote so is far more representative than most democratic elections in the world. did you miss the part about dementia in my post? the vote in australia had more to do with what would replace the queen as head of state than the question of the queen herself. that's why it was narrowly voted down, not because australians love their queen. there will be another referendum soon. lets see what the vote is then. i predict the same outcome, back to whatever crap country you came from
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2008.01.03 15:49:00 - [34] Originally by: Bey Locus Originally by: ToxicFire Edited by: ToxicFire on 03/01/2008 12:18:54 Edited by: ToxicFire on 03/01/2008 12:14:35 Originally by: Bey Locus I find it absolutely hilarious, and somewhat disturbing, that there are English people who still cling on to some outmoded notion of a Greater Britain You think that any members of the Commonwealth, other than those with a rapid onset of dementia give a toss about the Queen or the once mighty land? Your world power status ended years ago. Get used to it. hits you with a referendum in Australia that kept the queen as head of state over there Think that kind proves that members of the commonwealth even those far removed from their head of state still give a toss. And before you come up with some rubbish about a vote not really been representative it is a legal requirement to vote in Australia though you can abstain you still have to vote so is far more representative than most democratic elections in the world. did you miss the part about dementia in my post? the vote in australia had more to do with what would replace the queen as head of state than the question of the queen herself. that's why it was narrowly voted down, not because australians love their queen. there will be another referendum soon. lets see what the vote is then. neh I didn't miss it, it just makes your argument look pathetic because basically what your saying anyone that doesn't think your way is not mentally fit that road leads to dictatorships and evil, and its quite clear what the what position would have been considered the head of the state if the vote had been successful and that would have been the prime minister of the governing party. Also to underline the point further... there is currently no major political party in the uk that has anti-monarchy views. The fact its never really been made a major political issue because there aren't that many with anti royalist attitudes. Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
Kalahari Wayrest	Posted - 2008.01.03 20:11:00 - [35] Quote: Also to underline the point further... there is currently no major political party in the uk that has anti-monarchy views. The fact its never really been made a major political issue because there aren't that many with anti royalist attitudes. It's never really been a major political issue because nobody cares Not caring != supporting __________________________ Indulge Me Consider Yourself Indulged - Immy ♥ Wow immy scored - Xorus
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.03 22:11:00 - [36] Originally by: Kalahari Wayrest Quote: Also to underline the point further... there is currently no major political party in the uk that has anti-monarchy views. The fact its never really been made a major political issue because there aren't that many with anti royalist attitudes. It's never really been a major political issue because nobody cares Not caring != supporting Not caring = apathy. Ambivalence. Lack of interest one way or the other. Certainly not support, but certainly not a desire to get rid of, either. You can't argue the need to remove the monarchy (or keep it) based on apathy. Specially when they aren't doing anything particularly wrong, except maybe upsetting some internet guys. Fact is, most of the time they're not doing anything. They're not political leaders, so you can't argue the need to get rid of them based on the need for "more democracy". They're only a figurehead to those who want it. They're not (contrary to popular belief) sponging money off the taxpayer (in fact, it can easily be interpreted, as per my earlier post, as them GIVING the government a net of ú150,000,000 a year). Much of the money they do get given is spent on maintaining historical buildings like the palaces- a job that'd only be handed over to other tax-payer funded organisations in their absence. And at least some of the population seem to like them being there. Aside from "me no likey royally typeses!" there isn't much of an argument for their removal in the UK. ------ Originally by: CCP Prism X There's no such thing as playing too much EvE! You all obviously need more accounts!
Kalahari Wayrest	Posted - 2008.01.04 01:25:00 - [37] Quote: Not caring = apathy. Ambivalence. Lack of interest one way or the other. Yeah that was kinda my point The main trait of the british voter (or non voter in a lot of cases ) Quote: Certainly not support, but certainly not a desire to get rid of, either.You can't argue the need to remove the monarchy (or keep it) based on apathy. I'm not It's just the poster above seemed to imply it being a non issue automatically means support...I don't think it means anything. And no, not a desire to get rid of either. __________________________ Indulge Me Consider Yourself Indulged - Immy ♥ Wow immy scored - Xorus
Bey Locus Gallente Qalandar	Posted - 2008.01.04 01:56:00 - [38] Originally by: ToxicFire Originally by: Bey Locus Originally by: ToxicFire Edited by: ToxicFire on 03/01/2008 12:18:54 Edited by: ToxicFire on 03/01/2008 12:14:35 Originally by: Bey Locus I find it absolutely hilarious, and somewhat disturbing, that there are English people who still cling on to some outmoded notion of a Greater Britain You think that any members of the Commonwealth, other than those with a rapid onset of dementia give a toss about the Queen or the once mighty land? Your world power status ended years ago. Get used to it. hits you with a referendum in Australia that kept the queen as head of state over there Think that kind proves that members of the commonwealth even those far removed from their head of state still give a toss. And before you come up with some rubbish about a vote not really been representative it is a legal requirement to vote in Australia though you can abstain you still have to vote so is far more representative than most democratic elections in the world. did you miss the part about dementia in my post? the vote in australia had more to do with what would replace the queen as head of state than the question of the queen herself. that's why it was narrowly voted down, not because australians love their queen. there will be another referendum soon. lets see what the vote is then. neh I didn't miss it, it just makes your argument look pathetic because basically what your saying anyone that doesn't think your way is not mentally fit that road leads to dictatorships and evil, and its quite clear what the what position would have been considered the head of the state if the vote had been successful and that would have been the prime minister of the governing party. Also to underline the point further... there is currently no major political party in the uk that has anti-monarchy views. The fact its never really been made a major political issue because there aren't that many with anti royalist attitudes. Actually it wouldn't be the Prime Minister of the governing party, it would be a President elected by the Parliament. The PM at the time was a staunch Monarchist, just so you know. The Queen is a figurehead, nothing more, nothing less. She has no relevance in the modern world to any of the former colonies, let alone the world at large. The only ones who take pride or admire the old biddy, are those pushing a nationalist agenda. So if your looking for the 'road that leads to dictatorships and evil,' that's actually where you should be looking.
Neon Genesis The Landed Gentry	Posted - 2008.01.04 03:36:00 - [39] Edited by: Neon Genesis on 04/01/2008 03:41:01 Originally by: Sereifex Daku I can't stand your breed of moron with this incredibly progressive, edgy and baseless view that the monarchy cost us to keep and do nothing for us. _
Saint Lazarus DROW Org Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.01.04 03:44:00 - [40] Wait wait.............thought politics on EvE O werent allowed, and for reasons like this thread ------------------------------
Sister Impotentata Elite Angels Of Death	Posted - 2008.01.04 03:53:00 - [41] Originally by: Saint Lazarus Wait wait.............thought politics on EvE O werent allowed, and for reasons like this thread Strictly speaking, they're not. But it seems the mods let us go until they see an entire page of personal attacks. Which is wisdom. You could derail this thread and get it locked if you really made the effort, but we have enough intelligent people in OPE right now that no good would come of it for you. ----- TANSTAAFL Originally by: BB Lazy Lob and Crazy Cob are weaving webs to wind me. I am far more sweet than other meat, but still they cannot find me!
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.04 11:13:00 - [42] Edited by: Kirjava on 04/01/2008 11:14:06 Originally by: Bey Locus Actually it wouldn't be the Prime Minister of the governing party, it would be a President elected by the Parliament. The PM at the time was a staunch Monarchist, just so you know. The Queen is a figurehead, nothing more, nothing less. She has no relevance in the modern world to any of the former colonies, let alone the world at large. The only ones who take pride or admire the old biddy, are those pushing a nationalist agenda. So if your looking for the 'road that leads to dictatorships and evil,' that's actually where you should be looking. She does have relevance, she leases the crown Estate to the Government, ú150million or just over $300million then gets reimbursed under ú40million a year from this arrangement. Nationalism is good in moderation, we aren't placing the Windsors as the rightful rulers of the Earth and conquoring so why would the outside world view a figurehead as a nationalist agenda? We take pride in "the old biddy" because of reasons hard to explain beyond she is our ambassador and has 50 years of experience. Then again we moan about the American system of kicking even competent presidents out after 8 years, wheras we keep Prime Ministers for as long as we want them - though admitadly Blair fudged the issue for a while before leaving after 10 years. Also - President of Great Britian as a title would make anyone cringe, we would probably give them the title Chancellor or something. ~Nyron Originally by: SoftRevolution Not liking Haruhi is like not liking puppies or rainbows or whisky.
Amarr Citizen 155 Alternative Methods Research Group	Posted - 2008.01.04 19:37:00 - [43] Hey Kirjava long time no see. Check your in-game mail for me please. ---------------------------------------------- Why do it the hard way when you can do it the AMARR way.
Benco97 Gallente Mineral Dynamics	Posted - 2008.01.04 19:53:00 - [44] This saddens me deeply. If you are British and have no respect for the Queen then please leave. The Queen IS Great Britain, the likes of you are not. - Lord S.B.C Originally by: Kirjava This man speaks the truth, when he farts we count the length in seconds and make squillions buying winning lottery tickets.

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