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Tal Nok Amarr DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.01.02 16:03:00 - [1] Interesting read in the Washington Post today announced this: The Royal Channel Thought it was quite interesting. Originally by: hellsknights It's always nice to kill something you can't afford
Sereifex Daku Gemini Sun Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.02 16:29:00 - [2] Edited by: Sereifex Daku on 02/01/2008 16:29:48 Lol! Oh you gotta be kidding me! Video comments on that channel have been disabled :( It has 19,000 subscribers? Who are these sad ****s!? It's because of these losers that this inbred family still get to get craploads of money for doing bugger all! >.<
Avery Fatwallet	Posted - 2008.01.02 16:32:00 - [3] lol.. i cant help it.. when i click that link, and the voice starts im convinced theres a monty python joke comin up every second.
Menkaure Amarr Vanitas Corp.	Posted - 2008.01.02 16:32:00 - [4] Originally by: Sereifex Daku Edited by: Sereifex Daku on 02/01/2008 16:29:48 Lol! Oh you gotta be kidding me! Video comments on that channel have been disabled :( It has 19,000 subscribers? Who are these sad **s!? It's because of these losers that this inbred family still get to get craploads of money for doing bugger all! >.< ** you, the royal family is one of the things of our heritage I can quite happily say I'm proud we still retain. If you're british, show some national pride. If you're not, thne bugger off back to whatever rock spawned you.
Sereifex Daku Gemini Sun Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.02 16:35:00 - [5] Edited by: Sereifex Daku on 02/01/2008 16:36:03 Originally by: Menkaure Originally by: Sereifex Daku Edited by: Sereifex Daku on 02/01/2008 16:29:48 Lol! Oh you gotta be kidding me! Video comments on that channel have been disabled :( It has 19,000 subscribers? Who are these sad **s!? It's because of these losers that this inbred family still get to get craploads of money for doing bugger all! >.< ** you, the royal family is one of the things of our heritage I can quite happily say I'm proud we still retain. If you're british, show some national pride. If you're not, thne bugger off back to whatever rock spawned you. I am British, and my national pride sparks up when I see our mighty navy or some statistic that proves that we are still a powerful nation. I don't need to rely on a load of ugly do-nothings to make me proud of where I was born. What exactly do they contribute to modern British society? Absolutely nothing.
Avery Fatwallet	Posted - 2008.01.02 16:37:00 - [6] Originally by: Menkaure **** you, the royal family is one of the things of our heritage I can quite happily say I'm proud we still retain. If you're british, show some national pride. If you're not, thne bugger off back to whatever rock spawned you. i think, giving good reasons WHY retaining the royal family would be better than just insulting him. i, for my part, who am not british, would also like to know what good comes from it?
EvilPhog Amarr Dark-Rising	Posted - 2008.01.02 17:25:00 - [7] Originally by: Sereifex Daku Edited by: Sereifex Daku on 02/01/2008 16:36:03 Originally by: Menkaure Originally by: Sereifex Daku Edited by: Sereifex Daku on 02/01/2008 16:29:48 Lol! Oh you gotta be kidding me! Video comments on that channel have been disabled :( It has 19,000 subscribers? Who are these sad **s!? It's because of these losers that this inbred family still get to get craploads of money for doing bugger all! >.< ** you, the royal family is one of the things of our heritage I can quite happily say I'm proud we still retain. If you're british, show some national pride. If you're not, thne bugger off back to whatever rock spawned you. I am British, and my national pride sparks up when I see our mighty navy or some statistic that proves that we are still a powerful nation. I don't need to rely on a load of ugly do-nothings to make me proud of where I was born. What exactly do they contribute to modern British society? Absolutely nothing. Wrong. They bring in a significant amount of money for the country from tourism. Millions of people are interested in the Pyramids, aztecs etc. and others are interested in the British Royal family, a working monarchy. If the Royals go, the changing of the guard goes, the Beefeaters and all the very public displays that are infamous around the World. The Queen provides weekly, politically-impartial advice to the Prime Minister and is able to draw upon 50 years of knowledge that has come from the likes of Winston Churchill and hundreds of other great politians throughout the time (and not just British ones). The Royals also meet many state leaders where they negotiate with them over various issues. They have the unique advantage of not changing like the world leaders do every few years. They are able to draw upon their knowledge and gain new knowledge and it all adds up to a huge amount of respect from most world leaders. Think about meeting someone who has also met many of your predecessors when they were in your position. It stands to reason that you will have a natural respect for such person, thus it is highly beneficial for the UK to retain our monarchy.
Sereifex Daku Gemini Sun Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.02 17:32:00 - [8] Edited by: Sereifex Daku on 02/01/2008 17:33:45 Originally by: EvilPhog Wrong. They bring in a significant amount of money for the country from tourism. Millions of people are interested in the Pyramids, aztecs etc. and others are interested in the British Royal family, a working monarchy. If the Royals go, the changing of the guard goes, the Beefeaters and all the very public displays that are infamous around the World. The Queen provides weekly, politically-impartial advice to the Prime Minister and is able to draw upon 50 years of knowledge that has come from the likes of Winston Churchill and hundreds of other great politians throughout the time (and not just British ones). The Royals also meet many state leaders where they negotiate with them over various issues. They have the unique advantage of not changing like the world leaders do every few years. They are able to draw upon their knowledge and gain new knowledge and it all adds up to a huge amount of respect from most world leaders. Think about meeting someone who has also met many of your predecessors when they were in your position. It stands to reason that you will have a natural respect for such person, thus it is highly beneficial for the UK to retain our monarchy. People visit the UK to see the BUILDINGS, not a group of people who happen to have titles. The French booted out their royal family ages ago and yet people still come to see French architecture. I doubt that our toruism industry would collapse if we jsut removed the royal family As for what you say the royal family supposedly do in negotiations and whatnot...well that's why we have a Prime Minister for crying out loud. If the royal family were in charge then I would have a little more respect for them, but as it stands they do relatively nothing compared to the actual leaders of the UK. Oh, the Queen is making a speech to create the impression that she is an integral aprt of the country...wow...
EvilPhog Amarr Dark-Rising	Posted - 2008.01.02 17:51:00 - [9] Originally by: Sereifex Daku People visit the UK to see the BUILDINGS, not a group of people who happen to have titles. The French booted out their royal family ages ago and yet people still come to see French architecture. I doubt that our toruism industry would collapse if we jsut removed the royal family Rolleyes = lol. I didn't say they were an integral part of tourism and it would collapse without them. We're not a country that relies on tourism as a major source of income. However a common argument against the Royal family is that they are a 'waste of money'. They bring in more money through tourism that is directly related to themselves than they (only the Queen actually gets money, the others have to work) are given. One of the great attractions to Britain is the architechture; that came about because of the Royal family. Of course it would still raise money (National Trust for example) but having a working monarchy still generates more money because of the added attraction of it being one of the only remaining monarchies in the Western World. Originally by: Sereifex Daku As for what you say the royal family supposedly do in negotiations and whatnot...well that's why we have a Prime Minister for crying out loud. If the royal family were in charge then I would have a little more respect for them, but as it stands they do relatively nothing compared to the actual leaders of the UK. Oh, the Queen is making a speech to create the impression that she is an integral aprt of the country...wow... Yes we have a Prime Minister but if he only went to negotiations he'd have no time to do his job (not that Brown does anyway but that's a whole different kettle of fish). To say they do relatively little compared to the actual leaders in the UK is pretty much tripe. They don't do as much on a National level, afterall that is what the government is there for. But think about individual and international levels. Individually, it feels much more honourable to be visited by a member of the Royal Family to open your new building than the Mayor (who has a much smaller area to 'look after'). Meeting a Royal is often a once in a lifetime experience. You're not meeting a celebrity whose signature you can flog on eBay for ú75, that isn't the point. The point is that you're meeting a part of our heritage. Internationally, they may not go to the U.N. and decide who we fire a missile at, but they do have a profound effect on World leaders that they meet. They visit smaller countries who are honoured to be able to host part of the British heritage for a short while. People are always complaining about their travel costs etc. They are travelling to countries to raise awareness of Great Britain. They visit other countries and it always gets a massive amount of press. In addition, they are a clear sign of unification across the Commonwealth. Something that countries in the CW are, for the most part, very proud of. I find it hard to believe that their support for us would be kept quite so high if they looked to Brown for a figurehead.
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2008.01.02 17:52:00 - [10] Edited by: ToxicFire on 02/01/2008 17:53:55 Originally by: Sereifex Daku Edited by: Sereifex Daku on 02/01/2008 17:33:45 Originally by: EvilPhog Wrong. They bring in a significant amount of money for the country from tourism. Millions of people are interested in the Pyramids, aztecs etc. and others are interested in the British Royal family, a working monarchy. If the Royals go, the changing of the guard goes, the Beefeaters and all the very public displays that are infamous around the World. The Queen provides weekly, politically-impartial advice to the Prime Minister and is able to draw upon 50 years of knowledge that has come from the likes of Winston Churchill and hundreds of other great politians throughout the time (and not just British ones). The Royals also meet many state leaders where they negotiate with them over various issues. They have the unique advantage of not changing like the world leaders do every few years. They are able to draw upon their knowledge and gain new knowledge and it all adds up to a huge amount of respect from most world leaders. Think about meeting someone who has also met many of your predecessors when they were in your position. It stands to reason that you will have a natural respect for such person, thus it is highly beneficial for the UK to retain our monarchy. People visit the UK to see the BUILDINGS, not a group of people who happen to have titles. The French booted out their royal family ages ago and yet people still come to see French architecture. I doubt that our toruism industry would collapse if we jsut removed the royal family As for what you say the royal family supposedly do in negotiations and whatnot...well that's why we have a Prime Minister for crying out loud. If the royal family were in charge then I would have a little more respect for them, but as it stands they do relatively nothing compared to the actual leaders of the UK. Oh, the Queen is making a speech to create the impression that she is an integral aprt of the country...wow... yawns stretches and delivers the final blow Country got rid of the monarchy long time ago when we had a civil war remember... only years later for parliament to ask for a surviving relative of the monarch they'd had executed to take up the throne.you anti-royalists had ya chance and blew it several centuries ago. Now put up or shut up. Monarchy helped create the British empire... politicians only helped tear it apart. more stuff to come later on how wrong you are.. Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
Destiny Calling Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.01.02 18:00:00 - [11] Originally by: Sereifex Daku Edited by: Sereifex Daku on 02/01/2008 16:29:48 Lol! Oh you gotta be kidding me! Video comments on that channel have been disabled :( It has 19,000 subscribers? Who are these sad **s!? It's because of these losers that this inbred family still get to get craploads of money for doing bugger all! >.< Plenty of Republics to live in, ** off over there.
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2008.01.02 18:37:00 - [12] Originally by: Sereifex Daku Edited by: Sereifex Daku on 02/01/2008 16:29:48 Lol! Oh you gotta be kidding me! Video comments on that channel have been disabled :( It has 19,000 subscribers? Who are these sad ****s!? It's because of these losers that this inbred family still get to get craploads of money for doing bugger all! >.< You've got a markedly different view of "doing bugger all" than I have! Sure they don't get a sledgehammer out and go and sweat in the local quarry to pay off the national debt as some people seem to think they should, but on the balance I think they bring to the country more than they take out. The primary top tier royals that is. I'm not so sure when you get down to the Earls and Viscounts.
Kalahari Wayrest	Posted - 2008.01.02 19:12:00 - [13] Quote: **** you, the royal family is one of the things of our heritage I can quite happily say I'm proud we still retain. If you're british, show some national pride. If you're not, thne bugger off back to whatever rock spawned you. __________________________ Indulge Me Consider Yourself Indulged - Immy ♥ Wow immy scored - Xorus
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.02 20:44:00 - [14] The British Monarch is an icon, and as long as there is Britain there will be a monarch. As long as she bring's more in than she takes out, is wise in her decisions and not abusive of the respect she has earned then God save the Queen. o7 ~Nyron Originally by: SoftRevolution Not liking Haruhi is like not liking puppies or rainbows or whisky.
Thorliaron	Posted - 2008.01.02 21:00:00 - [15] Originally by: Sereifex Daku Edited by: Sereifex Daku on 02/01/2008 16:36:03 Originally by: Menkaure Originally by: Sereifex Daku Edited by: Sereifex Daku on 02/01/2008 16:29:48 Lol! Oh you gotta be kidding me! Video comments on that channel have been disabled :( It has 19,000 subscribers? Who are these sad **s!? It's because of these losers that this inbred family still get to get craploads of money for doing bugger all! >.< ** you, the royal family is one of the things of our heritage I can quite happily say I'm proud we still retain. If you're british, show some national pride. If you're not, thne bugger off back to whatever rock spawned you. I am British, and my national pride sparks up when I see our mighty navy or some statistic that proves that we are still a powerful nation. I don't need to rely on a load of ugly do-nothings to make me proud of where I was born. What exactly do they contribute to modern British society? Absolutely nothing. Damnit, if only we still had public hangings for people who trash talk the crown, you could of been my sunday morning entertainment before the football.
Sister Impotentata Elite Angels Of Death	Posted - 2008.01.02 21:26:00 - [16] I likes the Queen. I mean, I really likes the Queen. ----- TANSTAAFL Originally by: Patricia Arquette There were lots of stars at night. purple and red and yellow and on fire You don't see that. You might still see it in the desert.
Sereifex Daku Gemini Sun Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.02 21:48:00 - [17] Edited by: Sereifex Daku on 02/01/2008 21:54:42 Urgh, I had no idea there are so many royalist pigs playing this game. I feel dirty now
EvilPhog Amarr Dark-Rising	Posted - 2008.01.02 21:55:00 - [18] Originally by: Sereifex Daku Edited by: Sereifex Daku on 02/01/2008 21:54:42 Urgh, I had no idea there are so many royalist pigs playing this game. I feel dirty now Nice trolling I guess? Glad you couldn't come up with a better argument than merely shaking your head in disbelief.
Thorliaron	Posted - 2008.01.02 22:05:00 - [19] Originally by: Sereifex Daku Edited by: Sereifex Daku on 02/01/2008 21:54:42 Urgh, I had no idea there are so many royalist pigs playing this game. I feel dirty now Same feeling i get when i see the uneducated masses of Britain playing this game.
Jaerl Caldari	Posted - 2008.01.02 22:27:00 - [20] Originally by: Thorliaron Originally by: Sereifex Daku Edited by: Sereifex Daku on 02/01/2008 21:54:42 Urgh, I had no idea there are so many royalist pigs playing this game. I feel dirty now Same feeling i get when i see the uneducated masses of Britain playing this game. Probably uncalled for but besides the point... I've got a feeling this thread is derailing slightly and becoming just a tad political...
Sereifex Daku Gemini Sun Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.02 22:54:00 - [21] Even if the Queen does pull her weight around, this is the 21st century and we live in democratic state. We, as a people, are more civlised and knowledgeable than our ancestors. We know now that there is no divine blood flowing through the Queen's veins. She is only the Queen because she happened to be born into that particular family. She may help with negotiations, but did she work hard for that position? No. So if you want someone to help aid the PM in negotiations then hire someone who is qualified. As for the royal family being an improtant icon. *******s to that! Other countries seem to get along just fine without having such an icon. As for the Commonwealth, its 'power' is waning everyday. Britain is actually beginning to make more concrete ties with the EU, making all the other Commonwealth members feel cheated. The royal family has no place in the 21st century.
Doctor Fruitloop	Posted - 2008.01.02 22:59:00 - [22] Edited by: Doctor Fruitloop on 02/01/2008 23:01:33 Isn`t the queen in a highly ranked position in the Protestant church? While the Queen never earned it, I can't say that I could dismiss her given what she has done with what she was born into. I am of the opinion that Elizabeth II should be the Queen permanently and posthumanly. ie She is even after death regarded as the Queen of Britain. Britain is going into the 21st century, and hopefully the commonwealth will be dismantled as we merge the European countries into one nation. Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny BELIEVE IT!!! If you utter that...phrase...again, I swear to god I'll hunt you down and pod you
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.02 23:09:00 - [23] Originally by: Sereifex Daku What exactly do they contribute to modern British society? Absolutely nothing. Lots and lots of money, actually. Like most people, you probably don't really know the facts of the whole archaic arrangement. Thats OK; its obscure and dull and the vast vast VAST majority of people likely couldn't care less, but seeing as we're on the subject you might find it interesting. The Crown has basically two forms of income. The first is the Duchy of Lancaster- a privately owned property corporation, owned by the monarch, the profits of which go straight to the royals like any normal company. Although the Queen is technically tax exempt, she pays Income Tax voluntarily on this income. It is hers to own in the same way as my car is mine and your socks are yours, and even if we "abolished the monarchy" it'd still be theirs. The other is a bit more complicated. In the 18th century, George III made a deal with Parliament. He offered the entire income of his property portfolio known as The Crown Estate to the government, in exchange for which he claims expenses from the Civil List (at the time the body responsible for paying all civil servants, although now it's just there for the royal fee). For a very long time, the amount that The Crown Estate has contributed to the Government purse has been massively higher than the amount given back to the royals. In 2003/2004 (Wikipedia tells me) The Crown Estate generated ú184.8 million for the government, and the government gave ú36.8 million back to the Queen. The Crown Estate is technically the possession of The Crown, and passes from monarch to monarch. The agreement listed above is voluntary. So to sum up: the Duchy of Lancaster is the personal property of the royal family, and is taxed. The Crown Estate is the property of the institution of "The Crown", and generates the government a net profit of some ú150 million a year. Simply: we the British taxpayers are being given ú150 million a year for free. Nice, no? That may be leaving out some factors, and the balance may actually be more close than that. But to consider them monetary spongers is simply wrong- they give the government far more money than they take. Add that to the whole figure-head thing, and the diplomatic role they technically fulfil, not to mention all those little old ladies who are made happy by there being royals, and its not a bad deal really. ------ Originally by: CCP Prism X There's no such thing as playing too much EvE! You all obviously need more accounts!
Raktar Medovski	Posted - 2008.01.03 02:48:00 - [24] Edited by: Raktar Medovski on 03/01/2008 02:48:44 In America, we recognize the Queen as a world leader. In fact we respect her. Last year (2007), when she visited Virginia, we had a parade for her.
Bob Stuart Federation Fleet Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2008.01.03 03:19:00 - [25] I don't mind the Queen and the monarchy. I think having them means things are less of a sham that way. Britain is not a meritocracy. Few places are. Lots of people who have ability are not in the right place to do anything with that ability. It's about who you know, rather than what you know. Such is life, but it does not do anyone any good to pretend that isn't the case. Example: In one of the political parties here in Scotland, there were 4 or 5 members of the same family making up a large part of the senior party structure. Were they all genuinely the best person for the job? I find that most unlikely. Instead, I think it is more likely that their candidate selection procedures were a sham. And that makes the party not fit to govern. Get rid of the monarchy, and the head of state would still be from someone from the "right" crowd. Only the nature of the right crowd would change, and unlike the monarchy, it would be invisible. Is it the right university? the right school? the right golf club? Who knows? When the politicians say "It's undemocratic that no ordinary person could become the head of state", what they mean is "It's unfair that I can't become the head of state", because the ordinary person will never have the opportunity to be the head of state, because they don't know the right people. Which is better? Choosing the head of state from the members of one family, and not pretending that it is in any way democratic. Or Choosing the head of state from the members of the "right" group of people, and pretending that any member of society could become the head of state.
Bey Locus Gallente Qalandar	Posted - 2008.01.03 08:11:00 - [26] I find it absolutely hilarious, and somewhat disturbing, that there are English people who still cling on to some outmoded notion of a Greater Britain You think that any members of the Commonwealth, other than those with a rapid onset of dementia give a toss about the Queen or the once mighty land? Your world power status ended years ago. Get used to it. As to the Royals, yes there is so much to look up to there I know everytime Charles talks of being a tampon, the boys drink themselves into a stupor, or another racist comment falls out of Philips mouth, my lip stiffens with pride
Captain Hudson Caldari Intergalactic Space Defense Force Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.03 09:37:00 - [27] Originally by: Bey Locus I find it absolutely hilarious, and somewhat disturbing, that there are English people who still cling on to some outmoded notion of a Greater Britain You think that any members of the Commonwealth, other than those with a rapid onset of dementia give a toss about the Queen or the once mighty land? Your world power status ended years ago. Get used to it. As to the Royals, yes there is so much to look up to there I know everytime Charles talks of being a tampon, the boys drink themselves into a stupor, or another racist comment falls out of Philips mouth, my lip stiffens with pride Unless your American we can still bomb you back to the stone age. And if your French then we can defo bomb you back the stone age and would do it for free. The Real Eve FanFest
Syrin Wildfire Laboratrories	Posted - 2008.01.03 10:30:00 - [28] Check outt he girl William is going out with.. Yes please
Dec V Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.01.03 11:25:00 - [29] GOD SAVE OUR GRACIOUS QUEEN, LONG LIVE OUR NOBLE QUEEN, GOD SAVE THE QUEEN....SEND HER VITORIOUS, HAPPY AND GLORIOUS, LONG TO REIGN OVERRRR US, GOD SAVE THE QUEEN.
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2008.01.03 12:14:00 - [30] Edited by: ToxicFire on 03/01/2008 12:18:54 Edited by: ToxicFire on 03/01/2008 12:14:35 Originally by: Bey Locus I find it absolutely hilarious, and somewhat disturbing, that there are English people who still cling on to some outmoded notion of a Greater Britain You think that any members of the Commonwealth, other than those with a rapid onset of dementia give a toss about the Queen or the once mighty land? Your world power status ended years ago. Get used to it. hits you with a referendum in Australia that kept the queen as head of state over there Think that kind proves that members of the commonwealth even those far removed from their head of state still give a toss. And before you come up with some rubbish about a vote not really been representative it is a legal requirement to vote in Australia though you can abstain you still have to vote so is far more representative than most democratic elections in the world. Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
EvilPhog Amarr Dark-Rising	Posted - 2008.01.03 12:50:00 - [31] Go go Team Pro-Royal!
Bey Locus Gallente Qalandar	Posted - 2008.01.03 14:49:00 - [32] Originally by: ToxicFire Edited by: ToxicFire on 03/01/2008 12:18:54 Edited by: ToxicFire on 03/01/2008 12:14:35 Originally by: Bey Locus I find it absolutely hilarious, and somewhat disturbing, that there are English people who still cling on to some outmoded notion of a Greater Britain You think that any members of the Commonwealth, other than those with a rapid onset of dementia give a toss about the Queen or the once mighty land? Your world power status ended years ago. Get used to it. hits you with a referendum in Australia that kept the queen as head of state over there Think that kind proves that members of the commonwealth even those far removed from their head of state still give a toss. And before you come up with some rubbish about a vote not really been representative it is a legal requirement to vote in Australia though you can abstain you still have to vote so is far more representative than most democratic elections in the world. did you miss the part about dementia in my post? the vote in australia had more to do with what would replace the queen as head of state than the question of the queen herself. that's why it was narrowly voted down, not because australians love their queen. there will be another referendum soon. lets see what the vote is then.
Thorliaron	Posted - 2008.01.03 15:31:00 - [33] Edited by: Thorliaron on 03/01/2008 15:31:43 Originally by: Bey Locus Originally by: ToxicFire Edited by: ToxicFire on 03/01/2008 12:18:54 Edited by: ToxicFire on 03/01/2008 12:14:35 Originally by: Bey Locus I find it absolutely hilarious, and somewhat disturbing, that there are English people who still cling on to some outmoded notion of a Greater Britain You think that any members of the Commonwealth, other than those with a rapid onset of dementia give a toss about the Queen or the once mighty land? Your world power status ended years ago. Get used to it. hits you with a referendum in Australia that kept the queen as head of state over there Think that kind proves that members of the commonwealth even those far removed from their head of state still give a toss. And before you come up with some rubbish about a vote not really been representative it is a legal requirement to vote in Australia though you can abstain you still have to vote so is far more representative than most democratic elections in the world. did you miss the part about dementia in my post? the vote in australia had more to do with what would replace the queen as head of state than the question of the queen herself. that's why it was narrowly voted down, not because australians love their queen. there will be another referendum soon. lets see what the vote is then. i predict the same outcome, back to whatever crap country you came from
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2008.01.03 15:49:00 - [34] Originally by: Bey Locus Originally by: ToxicFire Edited by: ToxicFire on 03/01/2008 12:18:54 Edited by: ToxicFire on 03/01/2008 12:14:35 Originally by: Bey Locus I find it absolutely hilarious, and somewhat disturbing, that there are English people who still cling on to some outmoded notion of a Greater Britain You think that any members of the Commonwealth, other than those with a rapid onset of dementia give a toss about the Queen or the once mighty land? Your world power status ended years ago. Get used to it. hits you with a referendum in Australia that kept the queen as head of state over there Think that kind proves that members of the commonwealth even those far removed from their head of state still give a toss. And before you come up with some rubbish about a vote not really been representative it is a legal requirement to vote in Australia though you can abstain you still have to vote so is far more representative than most democratic elections in the world. did you miss the part about dementia in my post? the vote in australia had more to do with what would replace the queen as head of state than the question of the queen herself. that's why it was narrowly voted down, not because australians love their queen. there will be another referendum soon. lets see what the vote is then. neh I didn't miss it, it just makes your argument look pathetic because basically what your saying anyone that doesn't think your way is not mentally fit that road leads to dictatorships and evil, and its quite clear what the what position would have been considered the head of the state if the vote had been successful and that would have been the prime minister of the governing party. Also to underline the point further... there is currently no major political party in the uk that has anti-monarchy views. The fact its never really been made a major political issue because there aren't that many with anti royalist attitudes. Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
Kalahari Wayrest	Posted - 2008.01.03 20:11:00 - [35] Quote: Also to underline the point further... there is currently no major political party in the uk that has anti-monarchy views. The fact its never really been made a major political issue because there aren't that many with anti royalist attitudes. It's never really been a major political issue because nobody cares Not caring != supporting __________________________ Indulge Me Consider Yourself Indulged - Immy ♥ Wow immy scored - Xorus
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.03 22:11:00 - [36] Originally by: Kalahari Wayrest Quote: Also to underline the point further... there is currently no major political party in the uk that has anti-monarchy views. The fact its never really been made a major political issue because there aren't that many with anti royalist attitudes. It's never really been a major political issue because nobody cares Not caring != supporting Not caring = apathy. Ambivalence. Lack of interest one way or the other. Certainly not support, but certainly not a desire to get rid of, either. You can't argue the need to remove the monarchy (or keep it) based on apathy. Specially when they aren't doing anything particularly wrong, except maybe upsetting some internet guys. Fact is, most of the time they're not doing anything. They're not political leaders, so you can't argue the need to get rid of them based on the need for "more democracy". They're only a figurehead to those who want it. They're not (contrary to popular belief) sponging money off the taxpayer (in fact, it can easily be interpreted, as per my earlier post, as them GIVING the government a net of ú150,000,000 a year). Much of the money they do get given is spent on maintaining historical buildings like the palaces- a job that'd only be handed over to other tax-payer funded organisations in their absence. And at least some of the population seem to like them being there. Aside from "me no likey royally typeses!" there isn't much of an argument for their removal in the UK. ------ Originally by: CCP Prism X There's no such thing as playing too much EvE! You all obviously need more accounts!
Kalahari Wayrest	Posted - 2008.01.04 01:25:00 - [37] Quote: Not caring = apathy. Ambivalence. Lack of interest one way or the other. Yeah that was kinda my point The main trait of the british voter (or non voter in a lot of cases ) Quote: Certainly not support, but certainly not a desire to get rid of, either.You can't argue the need to remove the monarchy (or keep it) based on apathy. I'm not It's just the poster above seemed to imply it being a non issue automatically means support...I don't think it means anything. And no, not a desire to get rid of either. __________________________ Indulge Me Consider Yourself Indulged - Immy ♥ Wow immy scored - Xorus
Bey Locus Gallente Qalandar	Posted - 2008.01.04 01:56:00 - [38] Originally by: ToxicFire Originally by: Bey Locus Originally by: ToxicFire Edited by: ToxicFire on 03/01/2008 12:18:54 Edited by: ToxicFire on 03/01/2008 12:14:35 Originally by: Bey Locus I find it absolutely hilarious, and somewhat disturbing, that there are English people who still cling on to some outmoded notion of a Greater Britain You think that any members of the Commonwealth, other than those with a rapid onset of dementia give a toss about the Queen or the once mighty land? Your world power status ended years ago. Get used to it. hits you with a referendum in Australia that kept the queen as head of state over there Think that kind proves that members of the commonwealth even those far removed from their head of state still give a toss. And before you come up with some rubbish about a vote not really been representative it is a legal requirement to vote in Australia though you can abstain you still have to vote so is far more representative than most democratic elections in the world. did you miss the part about dementia in my post? the vote in australia had more to do with what would replace the queen as head of state than the question of the queen herself. that's why it was narrowly voted down, not because australians love their queen. there will be another referendum soon. lets see what the vote is then. neh I didn't miss it, it just makes your argument look pathetic because basically what your saying anyone that doesn't think your way is not mentally fit that road leads to dictatorships and evil, and its quite clear what the what position would have been considered the head of the state if the vote had been successful and that would have been the prime minister of the governing party. Also to underline the point further... there is currently no major political party in the uk that has anti-monarchy views. The fact its never really been made a major political issue because there aren't that many with anti royalist attitudes. Actually it wouldn't be the Prime Minister of the governing party, it would be a President elected by the Parliament. The PM at the time was a staunch Monarchist, just so you know. The Queen is a figurehead, nothing more, nothing less. She has no relevance in the modern world to any of the former colonies, let alone the world at large. The only ones who take pride or admire the old biddy, are those pushing a nationalist agenda. So if your looking for the 'road that leads to dictatorships and evil,' that's actually where you should be looking.
Neon Genesis The Landed Gentry	Posted - 2008.01.04 03:36:00 - [39] Edited by: Neon Genesis on 04/01/2008 03:41:01 Originally by: Sereifex Daku I can't stand your breed of moron with this incredibly progressive, edgy and baseless view that the monarchy cost us to keep and do nothing for us. _
Saint Lazarus DROW Org Brotherhood of the Spider	Posted - 2008.01.04 03:44:00 - [40] Wait wait.............thought politics on EvE O werent allowed, and for reasons like this thread ------------------------------
Sister Impotentata Elite Angels Of Death	Posted - 2008.01.04 03:53:00 - [41] Originally by: Saint Lazarus Wait wait.............thought politics on EvE O werent allowed, and for reasons like this thread Strictly speaking, they're not. But it seems the mods let us go until they see an entire page of personal attacks. Which is wisdom. You could derail this thread and get it locked if you really made the effort, but we have enough intelligent people in OPE right now that no good would come of it for you. ----- TANSTAAFL Originally by: BB Lazy Lob and Crazy Cob are weaving webs to wind me. I am far more sweet than other meat, but still they cannot find me!
Kirjava Lothian Quay Industries Zzz	Posted - 2008.01.04 11:13:00 - [42] Edited by: Kirjava on 04/01/2008 11:14:06 Originally by: Bey Locus Actually it wouldn't be the Prime Minister of the governing party, it would be a President elected by the Parliament. The PM at the time was a staunch Monarchist, just so you know. The Queen is a figurehead, nothing more, nothing less. She has no relevance in the modern world to any of the former colonies, let alone the world at large. The only ones who take pride or admire the old biddy, are those pushing a nationalist agenda. So if your looking for the 'road that leads to dictatorships and evil,' that's actually where you should be looking. She does have relevance, she leases the crown Estate to the Government, ú150million or just over $300million then gets reimbursed under ú40million a year from this arrangement. Nationalism is good in moderation, we aren't placing the Windsors as the rightful rulers of the Earth and conquoring so why would the outside world view a figurehead as a nationalist agenda? We take pride in "the old biddy" because of reasons hard to explain beyond she is our ambassador and has 50 years of experience. Then again we moan about the American system of kicking even competent presidents out after 8 years, wheras we keep Prime Ministers for as long as we want them - though admitadly Blair fudged the issue for a while before leaving after 10 years. Also - President of Great Britian as a title would make anyone cringe, we would probably give them the title Chancellor or something. ~Nyron Originally by: SoftRevolution Not liking Haruhi is like not liking puppies or rainbows or whisky.
Amarr Citizen 155 Alternative Methods Research Group	Posted - 2008.01.04 19:37:00 - [43] Hey Kirjava long time no see. Check your in-game mail for me please. ---------------------------------------------- Why do it the hard way when you can do it the AMARR way.
Benco97 Gallente Mineral Dynamics	Posted - 2008.01.04 19:53:00 - [44] This saddens me deeply. If you are British and have no respect for the Queen then please leave. The Queen IS Great Britain, the likes of you are not. - Lord S.B.C Originally by: Kirjava This man speaks the truth, when he farts we count the length in seconds and make squillions buying winning lottery tickets.

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