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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2008.01.03 16:24:00 -
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 Originally by: Johnny Gurkha
Originally by: Cpt Branko
It's not about attacking everything in sight.
It all depends on alcohol content 
Omg, drunken piracy. Occasionally it has made me tons of ISK, occasionally it has lost me some preety expensive ships ;P
Rifters!
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Arvald
Caldari
House of Tempers
Long Distance Serial Killlers
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Posted - 2008.01.03 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Artemis Dragmire
I am still relatively new to the game (about 1 year old character now), and have never done much 0.0 stuff, as it never attracted me other than the money to be made out there.
I was under the general impression that 0.0 entrances were almost always gatecamped 23/7 with very little chance of getting into the system(s) to rat unless you were in something extremely fast such as an inty (which obviously has difficulty ratting).
What sort of ships would you recommend for getting in, getting some good money, and getting out again?
Thanks again for the advice.
the easy way is to create a corp with an alt, get the ceo alt down to a 0.0 npc station and rent an office, join with your mail set your clone down to the new office, pod yourself and then (if you have one) set your JC to the station and leave the corp, i have an office in stain if you want (kinda hot up there right now but good rats) 
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Originally by: Last Wolf
I prefer smartass, but I like some variety now and then.
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Dubious Drewski
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Posted - 2008.01.03 18:26:00 -
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To the OP: Stop podding, you jerk!
That's obviously the biggest hit to your sec status. Or if you're gonna do it, ransom at least, to offset the massive sec hit.
Consider these facts:
1. You are an unstoppable killing machine
2. You aren't making any money
3. Pirates often ransom their victims as a source of cash
4. You apparently are not ransoming anyone
It's point #4 that has me concerned. Can you do something about that one?
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SloBones
mUfFiN fAcToRy
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Posted - 2008.01.03 19:08:00 -
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and one day you'll catch a faction fitted mission or rattign BS and hit pay dirt. These are pay dirt for pirates (if the mods survive) and can keep you supplied for some time. But this is an often rare find and can't be found all the time.
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Tal Nok
Amarr
DEATH'S LEGION
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Posted - 2008.01.03 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Artemis Dragmire
I have no alt.
Thats an issue, hope you know someone who does.
Originally by: Artemis Dragmire
I have no 0.0 access for ratting.
Map Broken? You don't need access, you take it.
Originally by: Artemis Dragmire
I currently pirate with maybe 1-3 friends at the most, and we are considering starting our own little corp for the corp benefits but I don't intend on joining any large pirate organization at the moment as there are few that I have seen that I would actually consider joining.
You need to get out more. I can name a few off the top of my head.
Originally by: Artemis Dragmire
So any suggestions to the lone pirates out there?
Scouts, I can't say enough. Almost no one goes 1v1 anymore, either a cyno gets popped or 4 BS's warp in to take out your cruiser. Sometimes you get flattered, and theres 50 others that come on top of you.
Originally by: Artemis Dragmire
Or is it impossible to make a living to support t2 ships/modules (my latest addiction, besides killing that is) without having an alt in highsec to make money and buy the stuff for you.
Comepletely possible on making a living with ransoms/loot scooping. Having an alt just makes it easier by about 150% (especially when each ship costs about 200m + another 200m in fittings).
Originally by: Artemis Dragmire
Which brings up the other question, I have never really heavily investigated this, but is it really hard to get ship fittings and ships themselves in the lowsec market or is it pretty easy? I'm spoiled by trade hubs. 
Depending on your region you may have stuff in low sec. 90% of the time, its overpriced because they know you can't get to empire. Hence my first comment, get a hauling alt, or someone you can trust(tm).
My two cents.
Originally by: hellsknights
It's always nice to kill something you can't afford
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Krasnij Okjabre
Caldari
Havoc Inc
Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.01.03 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Johnny Gurkha
Originally by: Cpt Branko
It's not about attacking everything in sight.
It all depends on alcohol content
I think Johnny has a very valid point here
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Nupe
Minmatar
The Dark Side of the Moon
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Posted - 2008.01.03 21:24:00 -
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Have not played long but began pirating within the first week I created my account. I'd say:
1) Make an alt at the very least for hauling from high sec into low sec. This can be accomplished within 4ish hours or so.
2) Ransom whenever you can. I have just begun doing this.
3) Join a decent pirate corp or a small group of players that know how to pirate.
4) If you are solo then you need to be patient. It is really easy to get tired of looking for targets and jump into a fight you have no real chance of winning. I've done this a few times, regrettably.
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VB Sarge
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.01.03 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Artemis Dragmire
I currently pirate with maybe 1-3 friends at the most, and we are considering starting our own little corp for the corp benefits but I don't intend on joining any large pirate organization at the moment as there are few that I have seen that I would actually consider joining./quote]
Let me touch on this, because I think a lot of people missed it, or just didn't want to comment.
First, pirating with friends will let you win a lot more than you lose. This is key.
Second, starting your own corp with 1-3 friends for "corp benefits" well, there are no benefits of starting your own corp with only 1-3 friends. You get your own ticker, but this isn't like WoW where you can still be really successful with your own small group of friends. It will cost you more, and if you are already hurting for isk, I don't suggest it.
Third, there are a ton of great pirate corps out there. If you don't think any are worth joining, well, your heart must not be set on success. I can think of many off the top of my head that I'd consider good pirate corps, and a few of them are recruiting. You don't have to join a corp of 100 members to be successful, if you like smaller gangs, get in a mid sized corp with a good group of active people, and you'll see your income increase.
Ransoms are crucial if you have no other income aside from piracy. You'll usually make a lot more off of ransoms, as let's face it, most modules are destroyed along with the ship, especially all of the good stuff.
0.0 requires a lot less timidness to ninja rat. It's very easy to get in and out, as long as you put some planning into it. Ask around some of the locals, or even somone in an alliance who is in space that you would like to rat in. Get some intel, and then sneak in. There aren't many 0.0 entrance choke points that are bubbled 23/7. Just find a system with low traffic that isn't on a direct pipe, and have fun. You should be fine with an AF or even a T1 Cruiser depending on where you are ratting.
Unless you have a lot of isk saved up, I'd stop flying expensive ships that you can't insure. You started this post asking ways to make isk, basically saying you were going broke (or at least that's how I read it) and then later on you make a comment about how losing expensive ships without insurance wasn't a big deal to you... kind of contradicts there.
Some of the biggest points here, are experience wins. Listen to people who are successful, and take their advice. They obviously know what they are talking about. They didn't get successful by accident.
My tips on making isk as a blinky red:
High sec trade hub alt - no training required, can start up with 10-15mil isk, and can turn that into big profits in a short amount of time if you're any good at trading.
Ninja 0.0 rattting - a little bit of risk, but many ways to mitigate this, and decent isk to be had doing this.
Join a corp - a good corp will help you pull in more isk, more frequent ransoms, stronger gangs, more experience, etc.
Play poker for isk - I won 500mil the other day, and I know plenty of people that have made a living off of this alone. My drug of choice in the poker flavor: DOA Poker (join that channel in game)
Have fun.
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Artemis Dragmire
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.01.04 11:17:00 -
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Well I found myself a nice corner of 0.0 that (at the moment) is relatively quiet so I am kinda testing the waters and making myself at least a little cash for the moment. Hopefully this same corner will be nice and quiet if and when I take the plunge all the way to -5 and lower.
Already got me one faction BS, which was a nice chunk of isk in bounties/loot. I can see money being made very easily this way, and I was surprised at how easy it was to slip in and slip out at the right times of day in this area. Guess I just needed to get out there and try it rather than sit like a scared carebear wondering how I was going to get out there.
Hopefully I can afford an alt character real soon here with this new job I have gotten, then I can train him up for invention and trade, as well as hauling crap out to my main.
Thanks again for the advice guys.
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Atomos Darksun
Havoc Inc
Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.01.06 04:30:00 -
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Ransoming people...or..
GASP!
LOW SEC MISSIONS!
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They've gone to PLAID!!
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Necro Tal
Mutually Assured Distraction
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Posted - 2008.01.06 06:01:00 -
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Originally by: Artemis Dragmire
I have no alt.
That is a small issue, but not game ending. It only takes around 3 days to train a half decent hauler alt (I recommend Gallente, as all mine are). This will fix so many issues for you. They can bring you new ships/equipment, and if they are on a seperate account, they can scout targets for you.
As for the making money thing... Solo, it is difficult, yet not impossible to make an income. Ransoms in the long run will earn you more isk than simply popping targets. It is rare to see a rich "solo" pirate, but it can happen. You can make enough isk to sustain yourself though. Just have to be more careful/choosy in selecting your targets.
To become a comfortable or rich pirate, I would suggest finding friends that share your ideals. Not just any old pirate corp will do for this. You need to do your homework before deciding on a corp. Personality compatability is VERY important. So research any corps you're thinking about. If they have public channels, join them and chat them up. If they have forums, browse and read them. You're looking for a corp you will "enjoy" logging into game with.
The nice thing about working in groups, is that you can take down/ransom larger targets. Larger targets = more isk usually, even split between gang mates.
From personal experience, you can make more money in group piracy, than you can ratting in 0.0, and have "FUN" doing it.
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Neon Razor
Caldari
Cross Roads
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Posted - 2008.01.06 17:32:00 -
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i personally have alt that can run lvl 4's first i trained her to fly a badger then straight onto a raven. she now has 19mill sp and keeps my wallets full. im not a pirate anymore but i still do alot of pvp and i do not have to worryy about losses anymore.
ALT's are a pirates best friend that way you ca just pod and not have to worry about ransoming
There is no moral difference between a Stealth bomber and a suicide bomber. They both kill innocent people for political reasons. |
Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2008.01.06 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Neon Razor
i personally have alt that can run lvl 4's first i trained her to fly a badger then straight onto a raven. she now has 19mill sp and keeps my wallets full. im not a pirate anymore but i still do alot of pvp and i do not have to worryy about losses anymore.
ALT's are a pirates best friend that way you ca just pod and not have to worry about ransoming
That's just pathetic.
Rifters!
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Taedrin
Gallente
Magellan Exploration and Survey
Rare Faction
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Posted - 2008.01.07 20:29:00 -
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Piracy is a way of life. It does not always involve simply indiscriminate killing. A true pirate will survive off of his ransoms and loot. If you can't do this, then what you are doing is simply pvp.
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Raiiden
Gallente
Lords Of Kaos
The Acquisition
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Posted - 2008.01.08 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Neon Razor
i personally have alt that can run lvl 4's first i trained her to fly a badger then straight onto a raven. she now has 19mill sp and keeps my wallets full. im not a pirate anymore but i still do alot of pvp and i do not have to worryy about losses anymore.
ALT's are a pirates best friend that way you ca just pod and not have to worry about ransoming
ROFL
pirates board loot and plundarr
ransoming is half the fun!
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General Coochie
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.01.08 13:27:00 -
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Edited by: General Coochie on 08/01/2008 13:28:36
Probe mission runners and RANSOM them.
I just lost 2 caracals some week ago worth 60 mill isk each. Yes I got a bit bored with ransoming mission runners and decided to waste some isk. I also donated 500mill to my alt that makes isk in other ways of pirating to pay for GTCs for my two accounts. theres no isk going from alt to my main though. I'm doing nice profits pirating.
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