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Artemis Dragmire
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.01.03 06:12:00 -
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So I'm falling to the dark side, quickly. Can't stop podding. Can't stop killing.
So before I fall completely I'd like to know, what is the best way to make money once you can no longer enter high-sec to run missions (previously my main source of massive $$).
I have no alt.
I have no 0.0 access for ratting.
I currently pirate with maybe 1-3 friends at the most, and we are considering starting our own little corp for the corp benefits but I don't intend on joining any large pirate organization at the moment as there are few that I have seen that I would actually consider joining.
So any suggestions to the lone pirates out there?
Or is it impossible to make a living to support t2 ships/modules (my latest addiction, besides killing that is) without having an alt in highsec to make money and buy the stuff for you.
Which brings up the other question, I have never really heavily investigated this, but is it really hard to get ship fittings and ships themselves in the lowsec market or is it pretty easy? I'm spoiled by trade hubs. 
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Siriyana
Astrum Contract Services Group
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Posted - 2008.01.03 06:20:00 -
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You can also kill whatever you can find at cosmic anomalies in low sec to help bolster your income. Not a lot of people search for those in low sec due to the prevalence of pirates anyway. :)
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Artemis Dragmire
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.01.03 06:23:00 -
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Yea I already run those on occasion, but they're pretty shoddy in bounties. A lot of ones with drones, and looting those is more trouble than it's worth. Even the drone commander cruiser I got the other day was worthless (the stuff it dropped was worth maybe 2mil).
Thanks for the suggestion though.
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Siriyana
Astrum Contract Services Group
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Posted - 2008.01.03 07:06:00 -
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The ones in .1's have battleships, most of the time.
Other than that, make sure you have someone salvage the wrecks of your enemies ships. T2 ships provide salvage that's worth a decent chunk of cash, and salvage is worth a bit once you collect enough anyway. Otherwise, get a high sec alt, or look for the low sec agents for the corp you were running for.
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Ask Unbeatable
Tenacious Danes
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Posted - 2008.01.03 07:11:00 -
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I lived of loot from solo-pirating for a good 8 months before joining Ka-Tet alliance.
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Arekhon
Mutually Assured Distraction
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Posted - 2008.01.03 07:31:00 -
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just go into 0.0 and rat...you don't "need" access. I am pretty sure you can figure out how to not get caught. go during slowtimes so your less likely to run into a bubble camp, and find some "off the beaten path" part and rat to you hearts content.
Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap
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Ishido Hideyori
No Fear Buccaneers
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Posted - 2008.01.03 08:17:00 -
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 Originally by: Arekhon
just go into 0.0 and rat...you don't "need" access. I am pretty sure you can figure out how to not get caught. go during slowtimes so your less likely to run into a bubble camp, and find some "off the beaten path" part and rat to you hearts content.
The day you need someone's permission is the day you are no longer a pirate.
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Stakhanov
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.01.03 08:27:00 -
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Real men pirate for ISK 
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2008.01.03 08:30:00 -
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Fly cheap so you don't lose a lot of ISK when you die and you'll make a living off piracy alone. For resupplying/loot selling you'll need a alt, but you don't have to train it really.
Getting bigger ships can be a pain, though, but smaller ships you can produce yourself off T1 junk to get rid of resupply problems. I had the foresight of researching a Rifter BPO before I got into piracy ;)
Rifters!
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Artemis Dragmire
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.01.03 08:40:00 -
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I am still relatively new to the game (about 1 year old character now), and have never done much 0.0 stuff, as it never attracted me other than the money to be made out there.
I was under the general impression that 0.0 entrances were almost always gatecamped 23/7 with very little chance of getting into the system(s) to rat unless you were in something extremely fast such as an inty (which obviously has difficulty ratting).
What sort of ships would you recommend for getting in, getting some good money, and getting out again?
Thanks again for the advice.
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Arrgs
Malevolent Intervention
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Posted - 2008.01.03 08:41:00 -
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Been -10 and back twice. Here's some random tips of things I've done.
1. Alt in some carebear alliance to rat when you're camped.
2. Fly cheap and kill expensive stuff.
3. Sell an alt.
4. Ransom a freighter
5. Sell all that random **** you have laying around. Seriously everytime I go clear assets it adds up to 500m+ (Just t1/named loot from kills)
6. You REALLY REALLY need an alt even if it's just a hauler/market alt.
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Arekhon
Mutually Assured Distraction
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Posted - 2008.01.03 08:44:00 -
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Originally by: Artemis Dragmire
I am still relatively new to the game (about 1 year old character now), and have never done much 0.0 stuff, as it never attracted me other than the money to be made out there.
I was under the general impression that 0.0 entrances were almost always gatecamped 23/7 with very little chance of getting into the system(s) to rat unless you were in something extremely fast such as an inty (which obviously has difficulty ratting).
What sort of ships would you recommend for getting in, getting some good money, and getting out again?
Thanks again for the advice.
asslt frigs make great ratters...esp the ishkur. the main pipes are camped alot such as doril, tama, to name a few. just use you map and search "pilots in system"'/"ship kills in last 30mins/pod kills"
plus there are always back doors into 0.0. it has been my expirience that north east or south west is fairly open..as always stay away from warzones.
Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap
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Artemis Dragmire
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.01.03 08:55:00 -
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Well will definately consider the ishkur, gonna try my first run in a battlecruiser I think just because I can insure it and with t1 fittings for most stuff it's cheap to lose (I feel dirty equipping a t2 ship like the ishkur with t1 stuff)
As for alts, I want one, will probably get one eventually, but my sec status (and most likely, my cash) isn't going to last long enough to get the alt trained up to be able to make money on his own.
And I also need the money for an alt... as I refuse to take ANY training time out of my character's combat training for training an alt on the same account.
Never tried this before, so this should be a fun night.
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Stakhanov
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.01.03 09:21:00 -
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Originally by: Arrgs
6. You REALLY REALLY need an alt even if it's just a hauler/market alt.
Lies , I'm doing fine with my one and only character. I have way more ISK than a mate of my age with at least 2 alts (including a paid account)
Carebear alts are good to earn faction BS. At this point , you're pirating in a carebear ship really. Pirate ships are supposed to be cost effective and utilitarian.
It just takes a little bit more patience to get your stuff delivered to lowsec. Also get used to covops alts probing targets before you do. Alts will make your efforts redundant in many ways , but they can't prevent you from playing the game. Eve was never fair , so think of it as extra challenging competition.
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Newbear
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Posted - 2008.01.03 09:33:00 -
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Sell time codes! haha
Click here for my High Security POS Service
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Artemis Dragmire
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.01.03 10:19:00 -
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Little short on actual money so time cards aren't an option either .
Remember, I can't even afford an alt.
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.01.03 10:38:00 -
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Depressing thread. If you cannot make enough profit pirating a career change may be in order  .
"Can't stop podding. Can't stop killing."
That's your problem right there. Ransom ransom ransom ransom. It is FREE ISK from OTHER players. If you have 1-3 wingmen...and one can fly covops-you are set for fun and profit busting out missions.
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way"
General George Patton USA
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Everyone Dies
Caldari
Lucky Tampon
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Posted - 2008.01.03 10:42:00 -
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looking at your stats here maybe you should re-think piracy http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=player&name=Artemis+Dragmire
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Karyuudo Tydraad
Caldari
Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services
The Acquisition
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Posted - 2008.01.03 10:42:00 -
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1. Get an alt on the same account. Dedicate the 20 minutes of training to get the character into a bestower that can carry 10000m^3 +. Use it to haul cruisers, frigs, ammo, loot, etc.
2. Get in a corp that has the logistics to move ships around for you.
3. Rat in 0.0. Even a T1 cruiser works if you're desperate, and it's hardly an impregnable fortress. If you're used to lowsec, I shouldn't have to explain the safety procedures.
Lowsec markets suck.
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Artemis Dragmire
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.01.03 10:51:00 -
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Edited by: Artemis Dragmire on 03/01/2008 10:53:11
Edited by: Artemis Dragmire on 03/01/2008 10:51:52
Originally by: Everyone Dies
looking at your stats here maybe you should re-think piracy http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=player&name=Artemis+Dragmire
No need to troll.
Those are not my complete stats, as I don't post my killmails there.
Complete kill list is here: Killboard
Old (carebear) alliance killboard. I use it just to track my personal stats. I see no personal need to flaunt my e-peen on a major killboard unless my alliance/corp requires it.
I'm not the best, and yes, I lose ships. I just am out there to have fun though, and to me, that's all that matters.
RuleOfTheBone:
I'm just getting started, and there has been many opportunities where I have just forgotten to ransom.
But yeah, I am definately going to at least TRY and ransom any and all pods I manage to nab now. Got a really small ransom off of the last pod I snatched, and it was my first successful ransom.
Anyways, I thank everyone who gave advice for the advice.
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.01.03 11:01:00 -
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Don't be afraid to ask for silly amounts either. I make the assumption that ANY player older than 2 weeks has +2/+3 implants and ask accordingly. As the pilot gets older the pod price goes significantly higher.
Be smart about target selection. If you are trying to make a profit attack ships that have a good chance of generating ISK for you. Getting into gunfights with other pirates (and yellow-pirate wannabees....and other assorted lowsec alliance refugee blobs) is for fun-not usually profit.
Fly and fit to win. That means using EWAR and the most survivable ship you can afford to fit/fly. You gotta spend it to make it. Standard T2 is fine...no need for faction stuff. Piracy is a business-run it as such.
Finally...set a goal for how much ISK you would like to have in reserve. Get that reserve...add to it...and find a good investment that pays ISK (using money to make money without actually doing ANYTHING is awesome).
Good luck.
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way"
General George Patton USA
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Artemis Dragmire
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.01.03 11:06:00 -
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Thanks for the advice RuleOfTheBone, will take it into consideration.
Standard T2 (ships and mods) is all I fly, but even that gets spendy. The ishtar I lost a few days ago set me back 180mil, and that ship was given to me at cost by a friend who invents them.
And yea, I am learning more and more about ship fittings, but the way I see it, with a gang as small as mine usually is (1-3 people) losing ships eventually is pretty much inevitable. There's always the traps, and blobs, and camps that you can never really plan for (just do your best to avoid).
Just trying to dabble into the piracy aspect a little so that I can decide if this is the in-game life for me or not. So far I've had a blast on what little I have done. I just need to find my niche.
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Johnny Gurkha
VMF-214 Blacksheep
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Posted - 2008.01.03 11:25:00 -
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If your learning piracy you should not be flying 180 mill ships, your just padding other peoples killboard stats. Zip around in a Rifter or a Punisher and learn your trade... or join an active pirate corp
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2008.01.03 11:28:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 03/01/2008 11:32:10
Originally by: RuleoftheBone
Finally...set a goal for how much ISK you would like to have in reserve. Get that reserve...add to it...and find a good investment that pays ISK (using money to make money without actually doing ANYTHING is awesome).
Interesting. I've been wondering what to do with my ISK reserves actually.
I'm not very likely to actually need it because I can cover all the losses (which are mostly frigs anyway) out of profits, so I'm looking at, basically, investment opportunities. The most I've done so far is to sink ISK into some BPOs which I'm researching, but these don't exactly bring in ISK. So any idea what to do actually do?
BTW, fighting other pirates/etc is both fun and relatively profitable if you think you'll win; i've gotten some preety nice loot off stealth bombers, blaster-taranises and stuff while flying my Rifter, and if I lose, ah well, it's just 2M down the drain which isn't that horrible.
Edit: soloing in a BC is typically not very profitable; you've preety likely to get caught or blobbed and killed. Especially when you become flashing red so nasty people can use interceptors to catch you 
For soloing, I like Rifters/Thrashers a lot. Cheap and effective. A BC I'll only really take out for gang ops most of the time, and I do that preety rarely now since there's a few groups of famous blob-tards in the Tama area.
Rifters!
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Artemis Dragmire
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.01.03 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Johnny Gurkha
If your learning piracy you should not be flying 180 mill ships, your just padding other peoples killboard stats. Zip around in a Rifter or a Punisher and learn your trade... or join an active pirate corp
Yea I know, just have a nasty tendancy to not want to fly smaller stuff for the simple reason I have problems killing things in smaller ships.
And I don't really care all that much about other people's k/b stats
As long as I have the money to replace the ship I'll fly it. It's just internet spaceships and internet fake money. It's getting the internet fake money to buy internet spaceships that leaves me a little confused w/o access to my current source of cash. (hence the thread).
Anyways, sleep time now...
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2008.01.03 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Artemis Dragmire
As long as I have the money to replace the ship I'll fly it. It's just internet spaceships and internet fake money. It's getting the internet fake money to buy internet spaceships that leaves me a little confused w/o access to my current source of cash. (hence the thread).
This attitude is detrimental for successful piracy. If you don't take piracy as a business and do the math on how much you can lose vs how much you can gain, then you won't be a successful pirate, really.
I've had some people in my corp who had that attitude, but they gave up when they went broke. Flying small and picking your targets is somthing which really is a part of 'pirate training'. The fact that you'll miss 90% of the targets you see doesn't matter. It's not about attacking everything in sight.
Rifters!
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Jade Grimpkin
Grimpkin Independent Traders
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Posted - 2008.01.03 11:38:00 -
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trade skills can net some nice money with minimal effort and no flying to high sec required, but not sure if you want to waste the points.
Otherwise i'd go with 0.0 ratting, grab an AF, slip into 0.0 during a quiet time and go beat up some rats. Fit a prototype cloak and no one's going to find you.
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Johnny Gurkha
VMF-214 Blacksheep
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Posted - 2008.01.03 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
It's not about attacking everything in sight.
It all depends on alcohol content 
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Redbad
Minmatar
Mean Corp
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Posted - 2008.01.03 14:30:00 -
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Hello Artemis,
Only fight a fair fight if you can afford it. Fot the rest: Always fight at uneven odds, you are a pirate, not a knight.
IMO, there is no greater asset in EVE than good people around you to fly with.
RB
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ry ry
StateCorp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.01.03 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Artemis Dragmire
So I'm falling to the dark side, quickly. Can't stop podding. Can't stop killing.
So before I fall completely I'd like to know, what is the best way to make money once you can no longer enter high-sec to run missions (previously my main source of massive $$).
I have no alt.
I have no 0.0 access for ratting.
I currently pirate with maybe 1-3 friends at the most, and we are considering starting our own little corp for the corp benefits but I don't intend on joining any large pirate organization at the moment as there are few that I have seen that I would actually consider joining.
So any suggestions to the lone pirates out there?
Or is it impossible to make a living to support t2 ships/modules (my latest addiction, besides killing that is) without having an alt in highsec to make money and buy the stuff for you.
Which brings up the other question, I have never really heavily investigated this, but is it really hard to get ship fittings and ships themselves in the lowsec market or is it pretty easy? I'm spoiled by trade hubs.
ransom pods.
if you don't pod them, you won't take such a sec hit and you'll make some iskies into the bargin.
alternatively: sell a ****ton of GTCs, buy a mothership and permacamp rancer or something.
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