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iiOs Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.01.03 18:30:00 - [1] I just wanted to share some toughts and personal oppinions with the people out there. Those who feel an interest of reading it does, the rest, well, they flame me as usual. This is a feeling, some insight, and some summaries of my short time in the alliance of KOS. KOS is at first inside glance, a friendly, large alliance. Theres is somewhat good industrial capabilities, and the entire market situation is quite good for that beeing of a deep,deep 0.0 alliance. The memberbase is not to evenly spread when it comes to TZ, and the makeup and organization of pvp/industrial/carebears are somewhat unclear, seeing the alliance currently holds 2 chunks of space. The military backbone consists of a few mere corps with somewhat PvP ability, and a huge load of people who wants to, but aint really professionals. The military organisation of the entire KOS alliance, is poor, and has difficulties functioning as a unit. The will to fight and survive is emense. But the fear of loosing personal assets somewhat overshadows the focus of one for all, all for one. KOS was seen to have many, and powerfull allies. But is alone when it all came to call. This beeing for some and many of the high ranking officers oppinions and attitudes; I dont know. But someone has stepped someone else on the toes, no doubt. "You have not been with us long enough to judge us!" Perhaps not, but you can get a pretty good feel bout things, even tho you spend just a few weeks with them. For the corp I was a part of; I have nothing to say but good words. Alltho good words cant save a corp from the neglect and stupidity of an entire alliance. It does not always come down to numbers, and 4000 ppl with 200 PvP'ers running its campaign against an alliance, with half the numbers, but 5 times the amount of PvP'ers is bad. Mkay ? ;) The few ops I got to attend before my untimely leave of the alliance were all but organized. 3-4 jumps took up to 1-2 hours. People had no respect for com-silence, and the whole line of commands were taken with a bag full of WTFBBQRELAX. No focus of fire, and failure to engage primaries and secondaries, even tho spesifically beeing told targets by FCs. The whole feel of "OMGWERGETTINGBBQED" was strong. Beeing an ex ASS member, I remember Lordmix' rules of engagement. "1. OBEY ME OR I KILL YOU" & "2. See rule 1!". People seem to have gotten a tad high on the drug of SP and isk. In short, I feel the KOS alliance to be nothing more then a heep of selfinflated ******s. That beeing said, theres quite a few good souls that tries to keep it all together down there. Pitty that two ships dont make a titan. If you catch my drift. KOS alliance, as it was 14 days ago. Is a good place to bee for those of us that embrace the aspect of the game that does not include "KILLALL WINALL!" and "BBQTHEM". Alltho, I found it to be good for getting fights. Not even I want to be BBQ'ed on a regular basis. So it might be just as well that I was accused of beeing a spy for AAA. I would like this thread to be an open discussions, as to why large alliances, like KOS, ASCN and others, come to fall on their own stupidity. What would a perfect alliance with no mongering enemies be ? There will always be powerstruggles, Im sure. But what is the make of a great alliance. And what is the make of a failure ? - Looking for reqruitment. And im in a one-man-corp! ;)
Wainak Amarr Warhamsters Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.03 18:33:00 - [2] first in the one more epic thread!
Attak Trioptimum The Reckoning.	Posted - 2008.01.03 18:37:00 - [3] I need to head over to C3
Lord Dregen Aim High Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.01.03 18:39:00 - [4] Originally by: CCP Mitnal Re-opened, apologies all-round. Owing to lack of Eve-related content, signature removed. If you would like to discuss this, please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Yumis Amarr Vengeance of the Fallen Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.03 18:44:00 - [5] So your just saying that KOS is good, but they dont have enough combat pilots, or TS discipline? Well the TS disciple has improved no end in the last 2 weeks, the fleet ops are becoming great and alot of the non combat pilots have come a long way. And you say not enough combat pilots? I think you are reading the forums to much iiOs, we have repelled nearly every invasion in the last week with a equal or larger fleet. You were in a KOS corp for nearly 2 weeks and you sound like the voice of experience? I choose to play the game in the game and not in the forums, I suggest you dont believe everything you read.
iiOs Caldari The voice of the silent	Posted - 2008.01.03 18:50:00 - [6] Originally by: Yumis So your just saying that KOS is good, but they dont have enough combat pilots, or TS discipline? Well the TS disciple has improved no end in the last 2 weeks, the fleet ops are becoming great and alot of the non combat pilots have come a long way. And you say not enough combat pilots? I think you are reading the forums to much iiOs, we have repelled nearly every invasion in the last week with a equal or larger fleet. You were in a KOS corp for nearly 2 weeks and you sound like the voice of experience? I choose to play the game in the game and not in the forums, I suggest you dont believe everything you read. Tales often tell lies. From both sides. Im just comparing the facts and the tales. Not saying one or the other is true. KOS has to a good extent repelled the resent attacks. Alltho I dont feel these attacks have had other purpose than to **** KOS off. Thus not beeing full launched assaults. I also said that in the lack of KOS experience, im talking from my feelings and the input i get ingame aswell as on the forums. - Looking for reqruitment. And im in a one-man-corp! ;)
Kozak Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.01.03 18:54:00 - [7] I think KOS has all the right tools to be a good alliance. The biggest problem with alliances falling apart is that they are so affraid of loosing any members, they don't make the hard decisions, like kicking those that don't pull their weight. It's hard to kick those that you consider friends, but if you want to be a stong entity, you have to make sure everyone is on the same page.
fugazii Deep Space Productions	Posted - 2008.01.03 18:55:00 - [8] theres a whole lot of text here, yet none of its needed except the last sentence. why exactly did you post it? Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Yumis Amarr Vengeance of the Fallen Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.03 18:55:00 - [9] Originally by: iiOs I also said that in the lack of KOS experience, im talking from my feelings and the input i get ingame aswell as on the forums. So you are basing what you state are"facts" from what is said on the forums. Nuff said.
Lardarz B'stard Amarr Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.01.03 18:55:00 - [10] Edited by: Lardarz B''stard on 03/01/2008 18:56:04 Slagging off every alliance / corp you leave when you leave them is not great for your CV or future recruitment prospects. Originally by: Kindakrof there is no gravity in space
iiOs Caldari The voice of the silent	Posted - 2008.01.03 18:58:00 - [11] Originally by: Lardarz B'stard Edited by: Lardarz B''stard on 03/01/2008 18:56:04 Slagging off every alliance / corp you leave when you leave them is not great for your CV or future recruitment prospects. Slagging off ? Take your meds dude. Im just doing an all-over experience rating. As far as I can see I feel KOS to be a good alliance to be a part of. Altho its missing bits and parts. If people dont want me cause Im beeing honest, I dont want to be with them either. - Looking for reqruitment. And im in a one-man-corp! ;)
Hitme Harder HERRO KITTY	Posted - 2008.01.03 19:03:00 - [12] Leadership and corp structure make or break you depending on your goals. Look at goonfleet. The membership is the same as KOS but the leadership makes the difference. People that are viewed as worthless to the directors are removed. People that disobey orders are removed. People that misrepresent the corp are removed. Then KOS absorbs them.
Virgil Aquilis GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.03 19:05:00 - [13] KOS became kind of crappy because trash like you got recruited more or less off the streets. Their first step towards remedying this is to basically get rid of you and other corps like you. Good job, KOS! Now get rid of Xirtam and we're really talking. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
iiOs Caldari The voice of the silent	Posted - 2008.01.03 19:15:00 - [14] Edited by: iiOs on 03/01/2008 19:16:43 Originally by: Virgil Aquilis KOS became kind of crappy because trash like you got recruited more or less off the streets. Their first step towards remedying this is to basically get rid of you and other corps like you. Good job, KOS! Now get rid of Xirtam and we're really talking. You sir, know absolutely NOTHING bout me, my skills, my background, abilities, social beeing or any other thing linked to me. You dont even know who I was before I got this char. Atleast spend 14 minutes with me, before you make up an oppinion. And I quit myself. Rhetoricus gave me a choice to stay if I wanted. The reason for me quitting is that KOS is full of spies, and I was for a brief moment accused of beeing one. - Looking for reqruitment. And im in a one-man-corp! ;)
crazyiven Brotherhood of Soban Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.03 19:16:00 - [15] Edited by: crazyiven on 03/01/2008 19:16:38 I am new to the alliance, and this corp. Seeing this topic, made me want to say something. I see a few valid points in his post. There are things that could be way better and smother. As I run into things I'm kicking them through my CEO. So I'm hoping from my point things might just come around.
iiOs Caldari The voice of the silent	Posted - 2008.01.03 19:18:00 - [16] Originally by: crazyiven Edited by: crazyiven on 03/01/2008 19:16:38 I am new to the alliance, and this corp. Seeing this topic, made me want to say something. I see a few valid points in his post. There are things that could be way better and smother. As I run into things I'm kicking them through my CEO. So I'm hoping from my point things might just come around. All input, if given to the right people makes a difference. There is always place for good suggestions. There should be more people like you :) - Looking for reqruitment. And im in a one-man-corp! ;)
Keeto Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2008.01.03 19:25:00 - [17] When fighting KOS it seemed to be a recurring theme that they rarely ever focused fire. Because of this we were able to take down quite sizable KOS gangs with much smaller gangs of our own. I think if this problem were to go away a lot of other things would fall in place for the PVP'ers in the alliance.
Wednesday Sheffield Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.03 19:31:00 - [18] Is this the seasonal "oh lord is KOS terrible from the inside" post? Because if so you should have just saved all our time and bumped the last one posted.
Corewin Deathwatch Inc. Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.03 20:03:00 - [19] iiOs' a good guy. His opinions are what we are talking about. Personnel attacks are not part of this discussion.
Jim Linger Naughty 40 Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.03 20:14:00 - [20] Anyone else smell copypasta? 2 months back-ish? i'm not an alt i just post like one
Ljulia Radioactive ship industries	Posted - 2008.01.03 20:18:00 - [21] Originally by: iiOs Beeing an ex ASS member This made me laugh
iiOs Caldari The voice of the silent	Posted - 2008.01.03 20:20:00 - [22] Originally by: Ljulia Originally by: iiOs Beeing an ex ASS member This made me laugh ASS is not a laughing matter ? :P Armoured Assassins was a great corp in its days. I am proud to have served with them :) - Looking for reqruitment. And im in a one-man-corp! ;)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.03 20:35:00 - [23] Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 03/01/2008 20:40:21 Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 03/01/2008 20:38:21 KOS is basically ASCN. Heck, it even has CYVOK & Crew. I think that the problem with these types of allinces is power lies with the carebear, who see pvpers as some kind of profit making machine. The carebear only cares for himself, his wallet and is not to be relied upon in a emergency as they will jump ship to the next flavor of carebear alliancce. These alliances normally bankrupt pvpers by ripping them off and offering almost no subsadies. Other alliances have industry and carebears attitude set right. In other words, part or all of the industry machine is set to work towards outfitting their pvpers, so the pvpers can fight 24/7. These types of alliances work well. And thats the problem. Never give carebears power - they will always end up running the alliance like a isk farmer. Insted, get carebears involved into building up a hard ass pvp force, and get that pvp force aware that they will never go bankrupt with all these carebears supporting them. The pvpers will protect the carebears as the carebears are the income source, and the carebears can do their thing The Army does not expect its soldiers to buy their own body armour... well, perhaps the brittash army does, but untill carebears look past their wallets, carebear alliances are doomed forever. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.03 20:39:00 - [24] Edited by: Darcuese on 03/01/2008 20:39:39 Not reading anything from someone 14 days being somewhere. EDIT: Except title me, myself and I ------>
Simariliia Spartan Industries Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.03 20:42:00 - [25] Edited by: Simariliia on 03/01/2008 20:46:45 Originally by: iiOs Originally by: Ljulia Originally by: iiOs Beeing an ex ASS member This made me laugh ASS is not a laughing matter ? :P Armoured Assassins was a great corp in its days. I am proud to have served with them :) same^^ Lordmix ftw! was in ASS for almost my entire first year of eve. however it had lost some it former glory from the rly rly old days. but was still nice. too bad its only a few of us still active. U got a couple in The reconing, like Corvin and Henker, and me. I dont think I meet u in ass though. I only flyed with lordmix the last few mothns he was in eve. used more to fly with phuze. But it was the same TS disiplin:) think more lads should have learned it that way^^ and about kos..I guess its the same symptome of it in all heavly bloated alliance. but kos is prob one of the heavlyes bloated, so ofc u got the worste symptomes there. ¿ -------Made in Thailand---- -------Living in Norway----
Lochmar Fiendhiem Caldari International Multi-Player Consortium Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.03 21:02:00 - [26] Originally by: Jonny JoJo And thats the problem. Never give carebears power - they will always end up running the alliance like a isk farmer. Insted, get carebears involved into building up a hard ass pvp force, and get that pvp force aware that they will never go bankrupt with all these carebears supporting them. The pvpers will protect the carebears as the carebears are the income source, and the carebears can do their thing.[/quote quoting for truth. Originally by: Halkin bob is dead, goons are great, cheese is cheesy, there we go no need for any more threads
Cooke The Nightshift	Posted - 2008.01.03 21:03:00 - [27] Originally by: Simariliia Edited by: Simariliia on 03/01/2008 20:46:45 Originally by: iiOs Originally by: Ljulia Originally by: iiOs Beeing an ex ASS member This made me laugh ASS is not a laughing matter ? :P Armoured Assassins was a great corp in its days. I am proud to have served with them :) same^^ Lordmix ftw! was in ASS for almost my entire first year of eve. however it had lost some it former glory from the rly rly old days. but was still nice. too bad its only a few of us still active. U got a couple in The reconing, like Corvin and Henker, and me. I dont think I meet u in ass though. I only flyed with lordmix the last few mothns he was in eve. used more to fly with phuze. But it was the same TS disiplin:) think more lads should have learned it that way^^ and about kos..I guess its the same symptome of it in all heavly bloated alliance. but kos is prob one of the heavlyes bloated, so ofc u got the worste symptomes there. damn I miss flying with lordmix..herc, phuze. It is to bad eve moved away from smaller corps to embrace the allmighty blob. someday I hope ASS gets back together, :) ------------------------------------------------- It's great being Caldari. No, really, it is.
Awox Advanced Logistics	Posted - 2008.01.03 21:05:00 - [28] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 03/01/2008 20:40:21 Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 03/01/2008 20:38:21 KOS is basically ASCN. Heck, it even has CYVOK & Crew. I think that the problem with these types of allinces is power lies with the carebear, who see pvpers as some kind of profit making machine. The carebear only cares for himself, his wallet and is not to be relied upon in a emergency as they will jump ship to the next flavor of carebear alliancce. These alliances normally bankrupt pvpers by ripping them off and offering almost no subsadies. Other alliances have industry and carebears attitude set right. In other words, part or all of the industry machine is set to work towards outfitting their pvpers, so the pvpers can fight 24/7. These types of alliances work well. And thats the problem. Never give carebears power - they will always end up running the alliance like a isk farmer. Insted, get carebears involved into building up a hard ass pvp force, and get that pvp force aware that they will never go bankrupt with all these carebears supporting them. The pvpers will protect the carebears as the carebears are the income source, and the carebears can do their thing The Army does not expect its soldiers to buy their own body armour... well, perhaps the brittash army does, but untill carebears look past their wallets, carebear alliances are doomed forever. Hard not to let the carebears run the alliance when that's why the carebears started the alliance (to mooch off members)... (No, not in the case of KOS, but many others)
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.03 21:15:00 - [29] Originally by: Awox Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 03/01/2008 20:40:21 Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 03/01/2008 20:38:21 KOS is basically ASCN. Heck, it even has CYVOK & Crew. I think that the problem with these types of allinces is power lies with the carebear, who see pvpers as some kind of profit making machine. The carebear only cares for himself, his wallet and is not to be relied upon in a emergency as they will jump ship to the next flavor of carebear alliancce. These alliances normally bankrupt pvpers by ripping them off and offering almost no subsadies. Other alliances have industry and carebears attitude set right. In other words, part or all of the industry machine is set to work towards outfitting their pvpers, so the pvpers can fight 24/7. These types of alliances work well. And thats the problem. Never give carebears power - they will always end up running the alliance like a isk farmer. Insted, get carebears involved into building up a hard ass pvp force, and get that pvp force aware that they will never go bankrupt with all these carebears supporting them. The pvpers will protect the carebears as the carebears are the income source, and the carebears can do their thing The Army does not expect its soldiers to buy their own body armour... well, perhaps the brittash army does, but untill carebears look past their wallets, carebear alliances are doomed forever. Hard not to let the carebears run the alliance when that's why the carebears started the alliance (to mooch off members)... (No, not in the case of KOS, but many others) Yeah. I have been thinking. A carebear alliance is pointless to exist in eve - unless its a fancy scam style alliancce to mooch off its members. Ourside of that, there is nothing for the leaders to do other than mooch. Refresh to see next Real Life CCP sig(16 total)
Dungar Loghoth Caldari Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.01.03 21:16:00 - [30] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 03/01/2008 20:40:21 Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 03/01/2008 20:38:21 KOS is basically ASCN. Heck, it even has CYVOK & Crew. Not anymore.

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