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PCaBoo RennTech SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.04 20:44:00 - [1] I'm sure it was short notice, but none of your friends thought about Projected ECCM? There are so many ways to counter EW/Recons, yet noone bothers even trying. Quit whining (not directed at OP) and learn how to play the game. ________________________________ Stop nerfing everything!
PCaBoo RennTech SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.04 20:52:00 - [2] Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov Originally by: PCaBoo Quit whining (not directed at OP) and learn how to play the game. If that was directed at me then you need to learn the difference between expression of opinion and actual whining. buhu t2 tissue 4u? and no, it wasn't directed at anyone in particular. ________________________________ Stop nerfing everything!
PCaBoo RennTech SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.04 21:16:00 - [3] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Projected ECCM is the stupidest idea ever. It's a mid slot. A slot that could be taken up by ECCM proper. Additionally, anything that is able to jam your ship will be able to jam your other ship projecting the ECCM on to one of your gang mates. I've tried it plenty on test. The best thing to get rid of ECM is simply more ECM. Not damps, not ECCM, just more ECM. And drones have a hard time with targets at 100km. lol? Do you have any idea how ECM/ECCM works? ________________________________ Stop nerfing everything!
PCaBoo RennTech SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.04 21:30:00 - [4] Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov Why don't you tell us. seriously? ________________________________ Stop nerfing everything!
PCaBoo RennTech SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.04 21:38:00 - [5] Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov Originally by: PCaBoo Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov Why don't you tell us. seriously? Yes. ok. ________________________________ Stop nerfing everything!
PCaBoo RennTech SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.05 00:36:00 - [6] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 04/01/2008 23:15:50 Originally by: PCaBoo Originally by: Bellum Eternus Projected ECCM is the stupidest idea ever. It's a mid slot. A slot that could be taken up by ECCM proper. Additionally, anything that is able to jam your ship will be able to jam your other ship projecting the ECCM on to one of your gang mates. I've tried it plenty on test. The best thing to get rid of ECM is simply more ECM. Not damps, not ECCM, just more ECM. And drones have a hard time with targets at 100km. lol? Do you have any idea how ECM/ECCM works? Well then i can ask, do you know how those works?. Some months ago on Sisi i did test my Machariel with ONLY T2 ECCM modules in Med & Low slot, so my Ladar points was pretty high. Then i asked a Scorpion pilot with very good ECM skill to come to me to see if he could jam me. Then he was with me, and started to lock me, and guess what happened right after he got a lock on me?. Yes he jammed me, and he was even jamming me pretty good. So in other words, the ECCM doesn't really work, because the ECM is chance based on whatever many Ladar points you have, or points for the other races. It might help you to get lesser jam cycles on you, but it doesn't remove the ability to get jammed. Ship sensor strength vs Opp ship sensor strength +/- ECM strength * ECCM (or projected) * fail multiplier. So saying that 96% ECCM mod is useless when compared to the 120% bonus for projected ECCM makes me wonder how that is the case. It's a 24% bonus to your sensor strength, which isn't that much, but obviously helps your cause. ECM doesn't stack and ECCM/Proj ECCM has stacking penalties. I still find it rather amusing that all the older pirates in this thread are clueless or playing dumb about this matter. Thinking one mod will save you is foolish. Thinking one mod will wtfpwn everyone is also foolish. LC will undoubtedly continue bbq'ing those who are lazy and eventually will lose his falcon to those who aren't. ________________________________ Stop nerfing everything!
PCaBoo RennTech SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.05 05:57:00 - [7] Originally by: Bellum Eternus [ The attacking and defending ships sensor strengths are not compared when calculating whether or not someone is jammed. Clearly you don't know wtf you are talking about. After reading up on it. I stand corrected. That's how it was explained to me long ago and I never felt the need to question it until now. I still stand by my other statements though. ________________________________ Stop nerfing everything!
PCaBoo RennTech SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.05 06:05:00 - [8] Originally by: ReePeR McAllem The falcon and othe ecm ships, they do their specific role, and cant solo. But in comparison to what the other force recons do in gang, they are quite overpowered. Can the curse shut down 3/4 bs in a fleet? no Can a arazu shut down 3/4 people in a fleet (used to be able to do a couple pre-nerf) Can a Rapier shut down 3/4 in a fleet hells no. I dont think they need to nerf the strength of the ecm specific ships, just the amount they can jam at once, say limit it to 2... can a falcon nos/neut you like a pilgrim? No. can a falcon tackle you from 40+km's? No. Can a falcon web you from 40km? No. Does everyone want to fly the same ships with the same bonuses? No. I don't see why the falcon needed a boost before... but I definately don't see a need to nerf it (below what it was pre-boost). A blackbird can just as easily provide similar results, as can a Kitsune. ________________________________ Stop nerfing everything!
PCaBoo RennTech SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.05 21:22:00 - [9] Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov Originally by: PCaBoo Originally by: Bellum Eternus [ The attacking and defending ships sensor strengths are not compared when calculating whether or not someone is jammed. Clearly you don't know wtf you are talking about. After reading up on it. I stand corrected. That's how it was explained to me long ago and I never felt the need to question it until now. Now do you understand why I asked you to tell us how it works? No. :p I just thought you liked replying. ________________________________ Stop nerfing everything!
PCaBoo RennTech SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.05 21:27:00 - [10] Originally by: Wizard This made me chuckle, get of your high horse fella having a go, you obviously dont like being wrong do you? Falcon doesnt need to be able to do ANY of the other stuff those other ships do because jamm = no one atacking you at all, the other ships can be countered much easier. No im not calling for a nerf on ECM. "Chuck Norris is never wrong. There's Chuck Norris' answer and then there's the other answer, about to take a roundhouse to the face." ________________________________ Stop nerfing everything!

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