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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.01.07 02:43:00 -
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Edited by: Shadarle on 07/01/2008 02:43:39
 Originally by: SiJira
Edited by: SiJira on 07/01/2008 02:23:13
Originally by: Shadarle
If people send money that is their own concern. If they treat their money in this manner why do you care if they get burned?
if its made easier to find secure investments because people have an easier time finding how to secure them then there is more isk in the general market community
You seem unable to understand the reason this is not going to work in the long run. People keep saying it, yet you ignore it. If people have collateral they can use to secure an IPO/Bond then they could just get a loan instead. The reason most people start IPO's is because they do not have collateral to use to get a loan or because they want to do it for the challenge of it. The final group is people who have a good plan but need a financier and find someone to back their plan. In this case they have no need to launch an IPO as they could just use this person's money and pay them a monthly or weekly fee.
Basically, a secured IPO is usually a very silly thing. The only reason for them is because the banks currently either charge too much for loans or because Ricdic acts as a private bank and secures the IPO through C-R-A thus hurting E-Bank and the other banks.
I personally think there should be less secured IPO's, not more.
Originally by: SiJira
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You remind me of another poster that has been absent as of late from these forums. Absent about as long as you've been here. I'll not name names, but I'm sure a few other people here may have a name popping into their head.
can you explain this quote
Yes, I can.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.01.07 02:46:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic
I remember a person who once said "If you don't disclose shareholder names you are a scammer/poor business manager."
This is what I remembered as well 
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SiJira
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Posted - 2008.01.07 02:48:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle
Originally by: Ricdic
I remember a person who once said "If you don't disclose shareholder names you are a scammer/poor business manager."
This is what I remembered as well
who once said it? id like to meet them
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SiJira
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Posted - 2008.01.07 02:51:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic
Are we all scammers?
no but some of you have said before how you cant secure every ipo - your name can if you trust the people offering them
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.01.07 02:55:00 -
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Edited by: Shadarle on 07/01/2008 02:55:20
Originally by: SiJira
Originally by: Ricdic
Are we all scammers?
no but some of you have said before how you cant secure every ipo - your name can if you trust the people offering them
We don't want to! I am not putting my name behind anyone, especially not my money. If I want to put my money behind them I will buy out their entire IPO/Bond. If I am not willing to do that, then I may buy a few shares... but there is no way I will back their entire IPO and then let others take advantage of my risk.
You are looking at this from the perspective of a person who wants 100% secure investments to put his money in without having to do any work yourself. From the perspective of a person who might be doing all the hard work for you I can tell you that I am not even remotely interested in providing you a risk free investment and taking all the risk myself.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2008.01.07 02:56:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle
Originally by: SiJira
Originally by: Ricdic
Are we all scammers?
no but some of you have said before how you cant secure every ipo - your name can if you trust the people offering them
We don't want to! I am not putting my name behind anyone, especially not my money. If I want to put my money behind them I will buy out their entire IPO/Bond. If I am not willing to do that, then I may buy a few shares... but there is no way I will back their entire IPO's.
You are looking at this from the perspective of a person who wants 100% secure investments to put his money in without having to do any work yourself. From the perspective of a person who might be doing all the hard work for you I can tell you that I am not even remotely interested in providing you a risk free investment and taking all the risk myself.
ill do it when i can then
answer my other question
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.01.07 03:03:00 -
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Edited by: Treelox on 07/01/2008 03:04:13
Originally by: SiJira
ill do it when i can then
Well then lets table this conversation until such time as you can back your idea that clearly is not gaining any traction with anyone else.
If you want 100% secured investments to occur, then you need to make it happen, that is it.
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silly spelling mistake that threw off the whole sentences meaning
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.01.07 03:11:00 -
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Originally by: SiJira
answer my other question
Oh, did you have another question?
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Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.01.07 03:13:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle
Originally by: SiJira
answer my other question
Oh, did you have another question?
I think the answer is E.D., but thats just me assuming thats the question that would have achieved "other" status.
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Ricdic
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Posted - 2008.01.07 04:52:00 -
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Hmm, why do I suddenly have this urge to start a securities corp. I guarantee securities or 'vouch' for corporations (of my choosing ofc) and get paid to do so. Kinda like insurance I guess.
But Shadarle makes a good point. If you trust someone enough to put your name down to vouch for them why not buy it out yourself? Why not just give a private loan?
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=500043
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Sicil Fioet
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.01.07 05:12:00 -
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Originally by: SiJira
Originally by: Auri Hella
Originally by: Riethe
The thread title alone is enough to disregard this entire post.
Agreeing with this.
caught your attention 
i think anti-security would have had a nicer ring to it
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Posted - 2008.01.07 17:36:00 -
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SiJira,
While I understand the need to stop IPO scams, the reality is that it wonĘt stop unless ccp abolish them.
Launching a totally secure IPO is completely impossible. You probably donĘt believe me, but try it yourself. Take for instance a manufacturing business. While it might be possible to lock all the BPOĘs as security, is not possible to secure mineral stock or sales inventory.
Also, as the business grows from 400 M to 4 B, it will put an unfair stress upon the guarantor. While he vouched for 400 M at the start of the IPO, he might not be able to guarantee 4 B.
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hilaw
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Posted - 2008.01.08 14:01:00 -
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Aside from the buisness sense, some of us invest in the way of a gambler when the mood takes us 
As primarily a reader, and not poster in this forum Motivated Prophet and Ricdic cemented my own veiw, that this does not enhance the economy, and that the "big names" have verry little interest in this sort of public service.
Thus I'm going to assume anyone who does is either part of a highly elaborate scam, to allow you to use puppet characters, with manny IPO's to attempt to net a healthy profit, given how you want to carve all shares between a few people's controll, or not a capitalist - so I'm going to be warry of investing in anything they themselves offer.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2008.01.11 19:34:00 -
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gambling it is then
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