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Thunderguts
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.01.04 22:24:00 -
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Hey all, I've been playing 3 or 4 months now and have more recently started PvP-ing in 0.0. I can fly Minmatar ships up to the T1 battleships, but those only barely. My skillpoints are mostly in Gunnery and I can use T2 autocannons at small and medium sizes. (T2 artillery at small only). I've mostly been PvP-ing in Rifters (frigates) and Thrashers (destroyers) with T1 fits because I don't want to throw away money not knowing what I'm doing. But so far I don't have any solo kills and I feel like I need to specialize in some combat role so I can pull my weight in a fleet. My question for you is: what role is useful and in demand, and reasonably within reach to a character like me? What PVP ships should I set up EVEmon for?
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Ormen Tuttle
Caldari
Intergalactic Amalgamated Inc.
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Posted - 2008.01.04 22:26:00 -
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When I was in the US Air Force they told us there are not indispensable people, and that if they found one they would immediately get rid of him.
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Laura Steel
The Chaotic Order
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.01.04 22:28:00 -
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Inderdictor/Ceptor
Maybe E-war.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.04 22:28:00 -
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If you're a low-skill rifter pilot who wants to break in to gang PvP, theres only one great answer: tackling. Train up speed and electronic warfare, and load up on webs, scramblers, and jammers/damps. No fleet will get a single kill without some decent tackling going on.
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Posted - 2008.01.04 22:32:00 -
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In my (admittedly noob-ish) opinion, you can't go wrong with interceptors and/or covert ops. They're unquestionably useful, the ships are relatively simple and inexpensive to purchase and set up, and they are a lot of fun to use.
Pulling your weight in the fleet doesn't necessarily mean getting lots of kills. If you want to do that, you should probably specialize in a sniping/knife-fighting battleship or something of that nature -- perhaps a Megathron with tons of gunnery skills, weapon type specialization, T2 or good named weapons, and perhaps a bit of faction ammo.
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Excesse
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.01.04 22:32:00 -
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Interceptors. Then if you want to be one of the cool kids, electronic attack ships.
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DroneBay Diva
The Fated
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.01.04 22:34:00 -
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Once you get some more SP and some more ISK, you can't really go wrong with a Minmatar recon ship, especially these days when nanos rule the galaxy.
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Zeknichov
Life. Universe. Everything.
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Posted - 2008.01.04 22:50:00 -
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But so far I don't have any solo kills and I feel like I need to specialize in some combat role so I can pull my weight in a fleet.
Continue training Minmatar. I would go for Interceptors first, they are always useful in small gangs, gate camps and large scale fleets. For the time being you can setup some T1 cruisers/BCs for small scale PvP and gate camps. Don't expect solo kills in frigates, you can get solo kills in T1 cruisers/BCs though depending on your target. I wouldn't feel confident soloing 0.0 in anything but a HAC or Recon. For large scale fleet combat you want a T2 sniping BS. They are actually not that long to train for especially considering you already have T2 mediums.
If you expect to be in large scale fleet battles I suggest going interceptor then T2 sniping BS. If you don't expect to be in any large scale fleet battles go interceptor than HACs.
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Thunderguts
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.01.05 00:14:00 -
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Originally by: Ormen Tuttle
When I was in the US Air Force they told us there are no indispensable people, and that if they found one they would immediately get rid of him.
Yes, that's wise if you're the commander, but for an individual it's wise to be as indispensible as possible.
Many replies said interceptors. My take on interceptors is that everybody and his brother (at least in my alliance/coalition) seems to have an interceptor. Every PVP op I go to, I think I'm going to tackle with my Rifter, but there's like six guys with intys travelling five times faster than me. So something else maybe.
Can somebody tell me about ewar/recon/covert/electronic attack? I know about webbing and scrambling, but have never even tried any of the the myriad sensor/dampener/ECM/ECCM mods that are available.
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Lorieen
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Posted - 2008.01.05 00:37:00 -
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I think the role that makes you indispensable is Dev.....
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Excesse
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.01.05 00:54:00 -
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You've missed an important point - interceptors die.
Specifically, they die A LOT. It is therefore important to have a plentiful supply of them.
You asked a straightforward question - interceptors are the straightforward answer.
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Neon Genesis
The Landed Gentry
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Posted - 2008.01.05 00:55:00 -
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Hyena and then a Huggin.
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Armoured C
Gallente
Globaltech Industries
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2008.01.05 00:56:00 -
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hictor
epic tank and got the tackling abilty of a oily exotic dancer
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2008.01.05 00:59:00 -
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Originally by: Thunderguts
Hey all, I've been playing 3 or 4 months now and have more recently started PvP-ing in 0.0. I can fly Minmatar ships up to the T1 battleships, but those only barely. My skillpoints are mostly in Gunnery and I can use T2 autocannons at small and medium sizes. (T2 artillery at small only). I've mostly been PvP-ing in Rifters (frigates) and Thrashers (destroyers) with T1 fits because I don't want to throw away money not knowing what I'm doing. But so far I don't have any solo kills and I feel like I need to specialize in some combat role so I can pull my weight in a fleet. My question for you is: what role is useful and in demand, and reasonably within reach to a character like me? What PVP ships should I set up EVEmon for?
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Aim for interceptors first. While training for them use EW in a cruiser if possible. After inty there are alot of useful ways to go. Generally low skill players pull their weights the most by tackling, scouting and flying support ships.
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Minmatar
Gallente Mercantile Exchange
Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2008.01.05 01:00:00 -
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Want a change of pace? Since you can use t2 mediums look at fitting out a Stabber. With good nav skills, you can get the Stabber to get close to the 5k m/s. And no you don't need rigs or implants.
Besides a MWD, you can also fit a webber and a scrammer to make a excellent cheap fast heavy tackle. Fit with t2 220's and the Stabber is a good damage dealer. Once you get your skills up to fly the stabber over the 4k m/s, then start looking at the other choices mentioned here.
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Dex Nederland
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.01.05 01:01:00 -
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Early on EW is very helpful, especially if your gangs seem to lack it. The gang without EW that is engages a gang with EW will most likely find itself defeated.
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Wu Jiun
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Posted - 2008.01.05 01:34:00 -
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Edited by: Wu Jiun on 05/01/2008 01:35:02
1. logistics
2. commandship + max skilled gangbonus
3. huggin/rapier
1 and 3 are pretty fast to do if you focus on the right skills.
But it will take 2-4months depending on what you have so far.
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Kazuma Saruwatari
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Posted - 2008.01.05 01:48:00 -
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Interceptors and interdictors.
Go tackle. Trust me, you'll be loved if you hold down the guy long enough.
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Pwett
Minmatar
QUANT Corp.
QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.01.05 01:52:00 -
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Mining 
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Maitre Yoda
Viking Clan
Absolute Guardians Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.01.05 01:56:00 -
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EW-frig hyena...
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Gallente
BGG
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.01.05 02:06:00 -
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Ships always needed:
Interceptors (to hold targets still. You need a lot of sp to go fast enough though)
Huggins (same thing basically, more practical against the current nanoships)
EW (keeps enemy from hitting your guys)
Interdictors (still keeping ppl down. Good thing is, training this goes through interceptors...)
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SiJira
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Posted - 2008.01.05 02:14:00 -
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tackler or leader-support
tackler because you will die almost every time and leader because youll have to stay out of harms way most of the time and support others with cap armor or shields rather than do the fighting
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Posted - 2008.01.05 02:20:00 -
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As everyone else says, interceptors and EW frigs are very useful to any group and quick to train for. Recon ships are also very useful for any gang size, but will take you quite a bit longer to train for. If it were me, I'd say shoot for an EW frigate (they're all useful, just pick the one you like best), train up whatever its special EW mod is, and then start working towards it's recon equivalent. If you can't decide which to go with, then do the hyena by default and start working towards the huggin and rapier.
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cal nereus
Hobos of War
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.01.05 02:46:00 -
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One of the roles that is relatively easy/quick to train for, but is in high demand by most gangs/fleets, is a tackler piloting either an Interceptor or Interdictor. Plug in the Stiletto, Claw, or Sabre into EVEMon. If you decide to go the Interdictor route, keep in mind you'll need to train Graviton Physics and be able to fit an Interdiction Sphere Launcher.
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Belce
Caldari
ADAMA Corps
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.01.05 03:13:00 -
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I think the thing that will make you indespensible is following direction, keeping cool and level headed during the ****, and being business only in teamspeak except when it doesn't count. Anyone can get the player skills, anyone can lock on target with direction, anyone can activate a module, playing well with others is indespensible.
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Korad Konstentyn
The Genyosha Society
PURGE.
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Posted - 2008.01.05 04:23:00 -
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Originally by: Belce
I think the thing that will make you indespensible is following direction, keeping cool and level headed during the ****, and being business only in teamspeak except when it doesn't count. Anyone can get the player skills, anyone can lock on target with direction, anyone can activate a module, playing well with others is indespensible.
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Shadow Joy
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Posted - 2008.01.05 04:33:00 -
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Try being a victim. Your services will always be in demand.
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Dromidas Shadowmoon
Minmatar
54th Knights Templar
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2008.01.05 04:34:00 -
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Originally by: Ormen Tuttle
Edited by: Ormen Tuttle on 04/01/2008 22:28:34
When I was in the US Air Force they told us there are no indispensable people, and that if they found one they would immediately get rid of him.
Did they tell you to fly to outer space and warp jam anyone? They were just feeding you fluff to make you feel good 
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.01.05 04:46:00 -
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friend
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.01.05 04:54:00 -
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Edited by: techzer0 on 05/01/2008 04:54:29
Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
friend
you need some.
But as for role that will make you indispensible.. roll of tissue paper... always gotta have one of those around
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Posted - 2008.01.05 05:23:00 -
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omiNATION
Gallente
Vanguard of the Ouroboros Nation
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Posted - 2008.01.05 06:54:00 -
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Noticed no one mentioned logistics, what a joke... does anyone even use this ship class?
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cal nereus
Hobos of War
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.01.05 07:49:00 -
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Originally by: omiNATION
Noticed no one mentioned logistics, what a joke... does anyone even use this ship class?
Yes, and it's definitely very valuable. Shield logistics (Basilisk) for repping station services and POSs, armor logistics (Oneiros) for repairing tech-2 ships and BSs in fleet combat.
However, the OP is Minmatar specced, and was looking for something to train quickly. I would expect interceptors and interdictors to be the faster route, while still being in high demand.
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Thunderguts
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.01.05 08:10:00 -
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I put Hyena and Wolf/Jaguar into my EVEmon and it's a pretty short schedule. Longest skill to train is Minmatar Frigate V at 9 days. I know nobody likes assault ships but I think I need the Engineering V and Mechanic V as support skills anyway, so it doesn't cost me much after that to get my first T2 killer.
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Mi Lai
The Black Dragon Society
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Posted - 2008.01.05 08:16:00 -
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Indispensible?
Train to become an excellent FC. Doesnt even take SP's or fancy equipment.
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Taua Roqa
Minmatar
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.01.05 08:19:00 -
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having a good understanding of the game and ability to teamplay will make you indispensable i should think :) covops/intelligence gatherers are rather desirable i am told.
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umop 3pisdn
Minmatar
Fnck the blob.
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Posted - 2008.01.05 09:17:00 -
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Edited by: umop 3pisdn on 05/01/2008 09:18:50
For your skills (very nice to get the t2 meds so fast btw) i would recommend interceptors, interdictors and Recon ships (Rapier/Huginn, in very very high demand at the moment) the new electronic attack ship is also a must in my oppinion, its basically a baby Huginn and very cheap comparatively.
Edit: It's named hyena, being able to fly that and interceptors well (t2 1MN MWD, t2 Warp disruptor and web) would be quick and make you a nice find for any pvp group.
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Xanos Blackpaw
Amarr
The Firestorm Elite
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Posted - 2008.01.05 10:04:00 -
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i would say anykind of interdictor
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