Hello space friends

I have a question for both the CSM7 candidates and the potential voters in the CSM7 elections. It is a very simple question that has been plaguing me for some time, because it is as evident in real life as it is in EVE Online. That question is: Why do we perpetuate a cycle of choosing candidates based on promises they make? Given that both in game and in real life any politician is limited severely by what he or she can reasonably accomplish in office, being that most politicians are members of decision making or decision influencing groups rather than solo decision makers, why is this what people do? You see it in both the CSM election behavior and in the behavior of people in real life. We pick among the promises that politicians make to us, and then we complain about the politicians we perceive did not give us what we want. Why?

I suppose all of this is rhetorical, because my primary point here is to suggest that an alternative exists and to me this alternative seems to be the most forthright and honest way for a politician to represent a constituency. That alternative is to simply ask the People what it is they want, with the only campaign promise being to represent the expressed interests of that constituency. Call me a starry-eyed dreamer, but isn't that what the plain language of most legislative bodies in real life claim that they are supposed to do? Represent the interests of the people. Not the interests of lobbyists, not the interests of power blocs, not the interests of a political or religious ideal. The interests of the people.

I'd like to challenge candidates in CSM7 to abandon the courtship of power blocs, ideology, and all other concerns. Ask the People what they want; embrace those desires as your own; passionately advocate on their behalf to CCP.

I'd like to challenge the voters in CSM7 to hold the candidates accountable to this standard; to not allow them to simply slough off comments and questions about their motivations, their personal interests, and so on; to demand that the candidates either represent the People or to simply laugh that candidate off the stage. You are the 99%. You control the flow of discussion and you hold the voting power. Make it happen.

#1Posted: 2012.02.01 03:06 | Report
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Hello space friends.

This thread is about a very specific topic which I have decided to include on my platform for the CSM. I want to talk to you about how the members of the CSM are elected, and what that means for the average player in EVE Online.

As it stands right now the CSM elections disproportionately favor those candidates whom are able to draw upon a large and very well organized voting bloc by means of their in game affiliation; for example, The Mittani and Vile Rat are on the CSM because of the organized voting message they were able to dictate to the Clusterfuck Coalition, that entity being the combined coalition of some of the largest Alliances in the game: Goonswarm Federation, TEST Alliance Please Ignore, and the dozens of other, smaller entities, that live in the Null Sec regions of Deklein, Fountain, Branch, Fade, Pure Blind, and the surrounding areas.

Because these entities were presented with very specific candidates towards which all of their votes were funneled, those few candidates were assured of a certain amount of votes from those players and their alt accounts. And because these specific entities each have communities that extend well beyond the in game culture of EVE Online, those being message boards such as Reddit, Something Awful, and 4chan, there was a very effective "grassroots" style drive to get out the vote, and it was very effective.

By contrast, the average EVE player was presented with a dizzying array of candidates, many of them with similar platforms, and the much larger combined vote of everyone else not aligned with the Clusterfuck Coalition was split among these other candidates. Though the total votes that were cast for non-Clusterfuck Coalition candidates were well in excess of those cast for Clusterfuck Coalition candidates, the records show us that many of these other candidates each received individually very poor vote totals which resulted in many of the votes cast for them being effectively "wasted".

My stance, which I would like to argue to CCP on behalf of You, dear EVE Online Player, is that we need voting reform.

Something that would benefit the vast majority of the EVE playerbase would be proportional representation and selected transferable votes because in the present system a big chunk of the voting share is effectively "wasted" by people voting for this or that candidate, each one of a dozen or more who receive fewer than the minimum needed to gain a seat. With transferable votes there would be a lot more representation of the non-Goon interest on the CSM, because people could then delineate their votes to go to Candidate Y in the event that Candidate X is not elected, and so on. Right now one of the big advantages that an organized voting bloc like the Clusterfuck Coalition has over the rest of the game is that all of their votes go to specified candidates which will almost surely win positions whereas the rest of the game's population is left to blindly pick one of the other horses in the race and is left with no recourse or representation once that horse loses.

Lyris Nairn, CSM seat of my heart :swoon:

Yes please. But you shouldn't let goons play. They use unfair griefer tactics.

It's not that the suggestions would negatively impact life in nullsec if implemented, it's that CCP has limited attention span and limited development resources to devote to all possible things. The more things that are on the plate for consideration, the less likely any specific thing will be considered, developed and implemented; so, by putting forth proposals for non-nullsec improvements our dear friend here is lowering the total chance that other proposals which positively effect nullsec will be considered, developed and implemented.

What is to stop any other group of people from banding together and having a voice exactly as loud as or louder than the collective voice of Goonswarm? I can think of exactly two things: first, that other groups of people lack the necessary organization or group cohesion to do it; second, that enough other people do not exist. If the first is the case, then one can hardly blame Goonswarm and her allies for being successful. That is generally regarded as a good thing, ya know. If the latter is the case, and literally the voice of Goonswarm is the loudest because there are more of us than there are players in every other group combined, then we honestly deserve to get everything we want because that is how a democracy works. Welcome to the tyranny of the masses.

Examples below in context in responce to the claims above.

On gameplay:



On development priorities:



On power blocs and equality:



Hypocrasy is now also officially on record.

Unfortunately, people change. I preferred the Old Lyris, the one who posted these quotes and lead me to my first drake kill during a rifterswarm.

There's always the hyena of morality at the garden gate, and the real wolf at the end of the street.

David Herbert Lawrence

You might be interested in this more however:

Lyris Nairn is basically an EVE university spy that we have tolerated for far too long.

What is you position on walking in stations? Will you allow anymore locked doors to nowhere?

EVE University disavows any knowledge of alleged clandestine actions involving player "Lyris Nairn".

Open-mindedness to rational inquiry is a political style historically linked with liberalism...

I see your psuedo intel quote,,,,,,,,,,,and raise you this

Actually, I am sincerely not interested in pseudointellectual quotes referring to a game of internet spaceships, unless they emanate from my chairman and are somewhat related to the subject at hand.

Actions speak louder than words and I still see recent KB entries for GSF

The Mitttani can make his own quotes, that's how awesome he is.

What part of RIFTERSWARM do you not understand?

Rifters shoot things, they die often but they also do get on killmails, you know.

I really dont want to get drawn into a philosophical debate about rationalism, as your assuming that an open mind pervades to the idea that I must be wrong and must agree with you, what is so open minded about that? Whereas any "rational" person would question the history that Lyris represents, her current status and her ongoing efforts as a Goonswarm pilot. Seeing as there is some empirical evidence backing it up.

Actions speak louder than words and I still see recent KB entries for GSF and she still wears the badge and I like to measure a tree by it's fruits. The responsibility of proof is very much in Lyris' court not mine. And pandering with a whimsical view of telling us what we want to hear? Seriously not transparent enough for you?

Usual brainless Zombie Clown Goon.

A quotation by definition is something you do as attributable of someone else's work.

It's kind of like a chuck norris joke, you see,

You conveniently set the stage for a test in which it is impossible for me to prove my side. I cannot disprove a negative, which is what you are asking me to do by somehow showing that I am not the negative things you're saying about me.

Not my problem Lyris, you are the one wanting to stand for CSM.

I actually googled searched for that quote and robbed it from some political bloggers site sadly.

But lyris is a goon as ya said and it seems like you hate goons, I really dont know what more can come of this.

BTW any one want more psuedo intel quotes thrown in the pot?

But I can easily confirm I don't like the Goons ethics. As individuals IRL am sure they are "normal" people, well perhaps not "Mittens".

Suppose with him being retired, Shazzam is gonna have a long uphill fight, to cleanse EVE of goons.

Ah I see, kill them from the inside out. Bleed them dry, and leave em wishing for death. Gotcha ya, clever yet brutal man.

With CSM who knows, seems like one will be on at least, Suppose two is the maximum right now.

Or maybe 0 is the maximum, if some of your sick strats come to fruitation.

It's kind of like a chuck norris joke, you see,

This person understands. Mittens is the internet spaceships chuck norris. Uh sorta.

Lyris for CSM7 - 10000 likes or bust!

(please post more so I can like more of your posts)

Either you are a blatant and terrible troll, or you are a dangerous idiot who has no idea what these proposals would do to the game. I read the first item on your list

Get rid of the period of time during which a POS is literally invulnerable;

Remove POS reinforcement?

You are mad, get out.

So you like people being able to cycle a corp through alliances and thereby perpetually keep a Starbase invulnerable?

OK.

Could that not be viewed as a problem with the current war mechanics as opposed to POS reinforcement though?

Wrong alt, Kelduum.

Im confused who is the official GSF candidate Mittani or you.

So you like people being able to cycle a corp through alliances and thereby perpetually keep a Starbase invulnerable?

OK.

Removing reinforce timers is not the answer to this. You should rather make it take a long time for corporations to leave alliances that are at war (say, 48 or 72 hours).

Simply removing the reinforce timer means that the entire shape of POS and reinforcement warfare, which gives people the ability to actually defend their assets without having everyone on-call 23.5/7. Powerful alliances can kill a large pos in well under ten minutes.

You clearly have no idea what structure warfare is like, or why this mechanic was even there to begin with. Furthermore, your revised solution is inept and contains little actual thought.

Removing reinforce timers is not the answer to this. You should rather make it take a long time for corporations to leave alliances that are at war (say, 48 or 72 hours).

Simply removing the reinforce timer means that the entire shape of POS and reinforcement warfare, which gives people the ability to actually defend their assets without having everyone on-call 23.5/7. Powerful alliances can kill a large pos in well under ten minutes.

You clearly have no idea what structure warfare is like, or why this mechanic was even there to begin with. Furthermore, your revised solution is inept and contains little actual thought.

Lyris can I have a minor cabinet position since I have given you so many likes? Or my own pet issue?

I do not endorse this product and or service.

Would you support Gay Bars as type of establishments if WiS was ever implemented fully?

We definitely need couple of those in this game. maybe more than a couple!

Is EVE really lacking attention in newspapers and tv shows for this to happen? Also dont tell Hilmar this idea, he will see other companies failing to do this well and only be inspired to make us all homos to show the impossible is possible.

How do you feel about wormhole mining and PI as it relates to Factional Warfare?

I am actually an advocate for LGBT rights in real life. I don't see why WiS bars would be heteronormative-exclusive.

Because we left Earth to find more resources and regrow, not to find more buttes and use them as pin cushions.

Plus the game is notorious for ganking. Societal issues with the love of pvp here could be a problem as well.

Also dont tell Hilmar this idea, he will see other companies failing to do this well and only be inspired to make us all homos to show the impossible is possible.

"Let's verify the mass stability of this wormhole."

The issue never had anything to do with reinforcement timers. You can believe it did all you want, and that's fine, but that does not make it true. I pulled that issue from a discussion about high security mechanics that people would like to see changed, and you are welcome to go verify that the discussion to which I am alluding actually happened in one of the many threads I made for the expressed purpose of soliciting the People for their opinions. People do not like the fact that a POS can be made permanently invulnerable to hostile action by its parent corporation cycling through alliances. I wish to resolve that issue.

If you have an issue you would like resolved, then feel free to express it.

We won't get anywhere by yelling "YOU'RE STUPID!".

On power blocs and equality:



Hypocrasy is now also officially on record.

Regarding Low Security Space

Oppose the introduction of interdiction bubbles to Low Sec, to preserve its unique gameplay;

Address the fact that Low Sec is divided into two classifications, 0.4, and 0.3 and below, with regards to anchorable structures at POS

With regards to the above, modify the anchoring requirements for starbase structures, particularly those involved in drug manufacturing, to be anchorable in all low security systems

IIRC 0.4 is now like 0.3

Actually I "dislike" what Goons represent, specifically in the way that they comically manipulate the gaming experiences of many and in the process favour themselves with change using underhanded tactics. Its this meta-element that is what I despise. As a paying player, I think I'm entitled to point this out and how infantile they are about it at the same time. And as a result not an influence I would like to see involved with the CSM, I think it deserves better representation.

As a long time low sec dweller, these things stick out to me:



PRESERVE IT'S UNIQUE GAMEPLAY!!! This is very important to me, other low sec dwellers, and CCP if they want to keep me sub'd. High sec changes seem solid as do null sec changes. Are you in support or opposition to bringing sov mechanics to NPC null and/or low sec? This is another (kinda) issue that would affect the unique gameplay of these regions. Personally, I think diversity and dimensionality in game design is what makes the game atttractive and exciting.


Um, NO.
Don't forget that you can assign fighters in 0.3, but not in 0.4. I have heard people pleased with this and wanting to change it in both directions. If you are going to address Low Sec classification differences, I think it's worth a look.

Drugs would be a great way to make low sec more profitable and possibly improve traffic/population, and for real: DRUGS!

That's some quality posting Goon Sir.

I, too, spent some time in Guatemala back in the 90's. Excellent beaches and Tikal was flat out stunning.

Berkeley, however, is a well known haven for savages and grotesques. You should pursue a career at a more respected institution of higher learning. DeVry or Capella being fine examples.

That grievous error in judgment for your life plan aside, I do hope you'll Sky Captain your way to the CSM alongside Dear Leader.

Lyris Nairn, what is your stance on orange clothing?

The Right Honourable Good Poster Extraordinaire, Lyris Chronicles of Nairnia, Most Liked on Eve-o and Certified Pubbie Whisperer:

How long do you think it will be until you hit the 10000 Like mark?

What's your favorite ship?

Do you think the proposed ideas for EAS frigates in relation to capital ship e-war immunity is a good idea?

Shooting TEST: Yes or no?

BLEH....., my likes total has been pushed over 9,000. You may all expect a post about that soon.

Is there a reason why CCP Diagoras has not listed you as official CSM candidate in his sticky?

I disagree entirely with your desire not to include a Boba Fett outfit in the NeX store.

I agree entirely with transferable kill rights and believe that in no way could this become easily exploitable.

ty, quoted in linked thread

You'll just have to take me at my word, or blindly disregard it.

These are the real issues which should decide this campaign. And they are not nullsec issues GÇö for war and hunger and ignorance and POS bubbles know no alliance barriers.

But because I am a Goon, the real issues in this campaign have been obscured GÇö perhaps deliberately, in some quarters less responsible than this. So it is apparently necessary for me to state once again not the alliance to which I belong GÇö for that should be important only to me GÇö but what kind of Eve I believe in.

I believe in an Eve where the separation of alliance and CSM is absolute, where no Goon prelate would tell the chairman (should he be Goon) how to act, and no fat illiterate Spanish eve news blogger would tell his readers for whom to vote; where no alliance or alliance leader is granted any political preference or Sabre blueprints; and where no man is denied public office merely because his corporation tag differs from the people who might elect him.

I believe in an Eve that is officially neither Goon, pubbie nor nebulous TEST in-betweener; where no CSM representative either requests or accepts instructions on public policy from The Mittani, Eve University or any other insular source; and where no coalition seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general populace or the public acts of its representatives.

For while this year it may be a Goon against whom the finger of suspicion is pointed, in other years it may be a player from Eve University, Raiden, TEST, or Nulli Secunda. It was the Band of Brothers blueprint scandal, for example, that helped lead to foundation of the CSM. Today I may be the victim, but tomorrow it may be you GÇö until the whole fabric of our harmonious society is ripped at a time of great change.

Finally, I believe in an Eve where alliance intolerance will someday end; where all players and all organizations are treated as equal; where every man has the same right to join or not join the alliance of his choice; where there is no Goon vote, no anti-Goon vote, no bloc voting of any kind; and where pirates, scammers, mission runners, and spacejews, at both the line member and director level, will refrain from those attitudes of disdain and division which have so often marred their works in the past, and promote instead the ideal of brotherhood.

That is the kind of Eve in which I believe. And it represents the kind of CSM in which I believe GÇö a great office that must neither be humbled by making it the instrument of a dictator, nor tarnished by arbitrarily withholding its occupancy from the members of any one group. I believe in a CSM whose alliance affiliations are their own private affair, neither imposed by them upon the whole of the game, or imposed by the whole of the game upon them as a condition to holding that office.

This man is truly a leader in whom we can all trust to place the interests of his constituents ahead of The Mittani's, and I wish that a certain vocal minority in this thread would put aside their prejudice in order to usher in an Eve free of petty alliance hatred and discrimination.

an Eve free of petty alliance hatred and discrimination.

You just hit 10000 likes! What are you going to do now?

Gratz, now try to blow out 1000 candles at once. Make wish first as well.

I think everyone knows the Goons need a representative in the CSM. That's only fair. Frankly I would rather it be Lyris than The Mittani. Goons should seriously consider voting for Lyris and letting The Mittani flap in the wind. Especially in light of the fact that he has never read Machiavelli but pretends to. I hate fake candidates.

BE REVOLUTIONARY!
STAND UP AGAINST THE ESTABLISHMENT!
SAY NO TO FAKES!
VOTE LYRIS!

Besides, Mittens already got his free trip(s) to Iceland. Let someone else have a chance as this is really the only substance in the CSM.

I have over 10,000 likes on spacebook, so i recognise a splendidly affable gentleman when i see one. If i wasnt already running for CSM i'd vote for skippermonkey!

Lyris Nairn wrote:
I began my EVE career in EVE University, back when Kelduum Revaan was just another guy, Dee Carson was Director of Operations, and everyone was still talking about Curzon Dax's song "Sabre A".