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Zeds Shadow
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.10 13:30:00 -
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I have only just returned to the game after a hiatus of just over a year and a half, I wanna be rich but I just find that things distrct me too much, ill be all 'ooo that ship/skill/method of playing' looks awesome, and then go and waste isk in trying it.
Although this builds experience and was really good fun, I am still stuck with 35mil in my wallet and shite scattered all over the place. I got in my dramiel and flew all over the place last night to sell all the crap, i now still only have 300mil.
Very very interested in trading to make money, I have a freighter alt which is just about trained up on the orca. he has a providence and I was tempted to sell that (buy orders around 977mil) for capital towards some money making trades, but the whole aspect of it is daunting, I cant afford to lose 1.2bill on trades, but I dont think starting with less than 1bil is sensible either...
any advice? |

Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.02.10 15:27:00 -
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Arcosian wrote:Six months to 100bil!!!  Here I thought I was doing good at 15bil teach me master.
Step 1 - Get job that allows you to work from home (or lose current job and don't replace, either is good).
Step 2 - Get a solid grip on your relationship with your wife or girlfriend. Then, using that solid grip, grasp firmly by the scruff of the neck and eject relationship through window. Or I suppose you could get a girl who doesn't think that all computer games were hatched by Satan himself and exist only to vex her. Either way, you will now be ready to begin.
Step 3 - Spend a week analysing your options for making isk. Crunch numbers. Crunch more numbers. Work out production margins on everything you can. Explore eve central to find possible trade routes. Work your way through as many market items in Jita as you can noting which have good margins, good volumes or, preferably, both.
Step 4 - Select the best isk making options that will fit in the time available in your new work- and love-free life, slotting them into your schedule from the most profitable on down.
Step 5 - Have a shower. It's been a week for gods sake!
Step 6 - Take the most profitable option available to you and work it relentlessly, no matter how tedious it is. See how much time it takes up before returns diminish below the level of the next best thing.
Step 7 - Add in the next best thing and so on and so forth.
Step 8 - As your isk starts rolling in learn to love it. Count your NAV, stroke it, tickle it under the chin. It won't love you back but, then, nor will anyone else at this point and a one-way relationship is better than nothing.
Step 9 - Borrow money to accelerate your growth.
Step 10 - As the seasons turn the leaves outside from one stage to the next, look up from time to time to reflect on the futility of your keyboard bound existence. But by no means give up. That's just your socialisation speaking. That's just what other 'people' would say with their 'reasons' and 'choices' and their fancy 'communities'. You have no choice. You are strong, strong enough to endure the cold hard loneliness of eve, where the community is so sharp you could easily slit your wrists on it.
Step 11 - As your NAV turns over the 100bil mark, congratulate yourself! For you have achieved ... something? |

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Limitless Inc.
247
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Posted - 2012.02.10 16:22:00 -
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It means I don't have to steal so much from corp anymore, so less risk they find me out and bigger chance I can do a big heist in the future. this is a signature |

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
2801
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Posted - 2012.02.10 17:29:00 -
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It meant that I could effectively buy you - yes you, OP - and turn you into my puppet, doing whatever bidding I wished...and I felt like creating this OP, so you happily obliged...nice... :D
GĒ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GėķvGėķ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GĒ„ GĒö Karath Piki |

Bad Bobby
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
25
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Posted - 2012.02.10 20:30:00 -
[35] - Quote
Kara Roideater wrote:Step 1 - Get job that allows you to work from home (or lose current job and don't replace, either is good).
Step 2 - Get a solid grip on your relationship with your wife or girlfriend. Then, using that solid grip, grasp firmly by the scruff of the neck and eject relationship through window. Or I suppose you could get a girl who doesn't think that all computer games were hatched by Satan himself and exist only to vex her. Either way, you will now be ready to begin.
Step 3 - Spend a week analysing your options for making isk. Crunch numbers. Crunch more numbers. Work out production margins on everything you can. Explore eve central to find possible trade routes. Work your way through as many market items in Jita as you can noting which have good margins, good volumes or, preferably, both.
Step 4 - Select the best isk making options that will fit in the time available in your new work- and love-free life, slotting them into your schedule from the most profitable on down.
Step 5 - Have a shower. It's been a week for gods sake!
Step 6 - Take the most profitable option available to you and work it relentlessly, no matter how tedious it is. See how much time it takes up before returns diminish below the level of the next best thing.
Step 7 - Add in the next best thing and so on and so forth.
Step 8 - As your isk starts rolling in learn to love it. Count your NAV, stroke it, tickle it under the chin. It won't love you back but, then, nor will anyone else at this point and a one-way relationship is better than nothing.
Step 9 - Borrow money to accelerate your growth.
Step 10 - As the seasons turn the leaves outside from one stage to the next, look up from time to time to reflect on the futility of your keyboard bound existence. But by no means give up. That's just your socialisation speaking. That's just what other 'people' would say with their 'reasons' and 'choices' and their fancy 'communities'. You have no choice. You are strong, strong enough to endure the cold hard loneliness of eve, where the community is so sharp you could easily slit your wrists on it.
Step 11 - As your NAV turns over the 100bil mark, congratulate yourself! For you have achieved ... something? Bravo. |

Hunng Ibruin
Universal Freelance CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
0
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Posted - 2012.02.10 21:41:00 -
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I decided to take up trading and manufacturing with a loan on certain items that had a great profit margin and I could sell over 500 a day. So I fired up my 9 slots and blasted out a crap ton of this item (each netting 40%+ profit). For 3 weeks now I watched my initial loan of 100m grow to over 15 billion as I trade, manufacture and do some PI stuff and now.....the game isn't fun. I currently have 9billion in materials pumping out things that will gain me constant returns. I've learned how to make unlimited isk and the urge to get into the game and do something has declined quite significantly Sure I don't have the 100billion but so what, I personally feel the challenge is gone and there isn't much to do but blow it .
Of course one highlight of this isk is being able to completely crash 4 markets in Jita and Amarr while scoring some nice profit off da bots who stupidly followed my moves. |

Mantra Achura
Community for Justice
74
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Posted - 2012.02.10 21:47:00 -
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Bad Bobby wrote:I don't think getting rich bores anyone. I think it's running out of new challenges and experiences that does that. This is more likely to happen to you if you have a narrow play style.
Pretty this in combination with the fact that high NAV figures grant less increase in a certain timeframe percentage wise. |

Amy Elteam
No Bull Ships
5
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Posted - 2012.02.10 22:20:00 -
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I'm sitting here and EveHQ's asset manager is telling me I have over a 100billion in assets. I don't feel particularly rich. But I've pretty much stopped killing rats for income. I'll occasionally run complexes and stuff for the amusement I get from the 'fun' loot drops. But for time invested I have much more licrative ways to make money. |

Breaker77
Reclamation Industries
48
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Posted - 2012.02.11 00:53:00 -
[39] - Quote
Bad Bobby wrote:Kara Roideater wrote:Lots of good stuff! Bravo.
I have to agree with all the above.
On a more personal note, once I achieved becoming "rich" I now no longer play EVE and just log in to change skills every so often. Once you learn the secrets to becoming a "billionaire" the drive to continue playing the game seems to decline. Sure you can always make more ISK, blow up more ships, lose more ships, buy the most expansive BPOs, ect... but the fun is gone.
OH NOES!!! I just lost a deadspace fitted alliance tournament ship that cost 30+ billion ISK. Well I can just make that back in a couple of weeks and act like nothing happened.
I have a feeling my views are shared with many others due to the large number of people that I never see online anymore even when I do manage to log onto EVE. The chat channels that used to have 40+ people now rarely have 10 people in them. Old friends I've worked with for the few years I've been in EVE have long since unsubbed and moved on. Even though EVE is "just a game", I still miss all the friends I have made along the way and I know that I will probably never see most of them again .
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Dimitryy
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
14
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Posted - 2012.02.11 02:02:00 -
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I never became rich, i spent all my money in jita local. |

Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.02.11 09:58:00 -
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Breaker77 wrote:Bad Bobby wrote:Kara Roideater wrote:Lots of good stuff! Bravo. I have to agree with all the above. On a more personal note, once I achieved becoming "rich" I now no longer play EVE and just log in to change skills every so often. Once you learn the secrets to becoming a "billionaire" the drive to continue playing the game seems to decline. Sure you can always make more ISK, blow up more ships, lose more ships, buy the most expansive BPOs, ect... but the fun is gone. OH NOES!!! I just lost a deadspace fitted alliance tournament ship that cost 30+ billion ISK. Well I can just make that back in a couple of weeks and act like nothing happened. I have a feeling my views are shared with many others due to the large number of people that I never see online anymore even when I do manage to log onto EVE. The chat channels that used to have 40+ people now rarely have 10 people in them. Old friends I've worked with for the few years I've been in EVE have long since unsubbed and moved on. Even though EVE is "just a game", I still miss all the friends I have made along the way and I know that I will probably never see most of them again  . Part of the problem is that there's not much of an endgame for the market/industry/finance part of the game, just more of the mid-game stuff spinning out endlessly. Partly this is due to a lack of consideration of how financial empires should work on CCP's part (i.e. abject failure to provide adequate POS facility usage at an alliance level; removal of a lot of the danger dynamics for trade and industry people through haulers that are too safe, POSes that are too defensible, warfare mechanics that can be evaded too easily). I would also tentatively say that the black/white aspect of the current trust dynamics have a far greater chilling impact on interaction between players in isk-related areas than they do in PvP based areas. There is not much of a system to game here. You cannot manage trust-based risk to a significant level in a cooperative business venture so you have to more or less trust everyone you cooperate with with everything that's in the pot for that venture. Some more finely grained options on this front would probably help things from stagnating at the level of only fully cooperating with a max of a handful of genuinely trusted individuals. What would be good would be some tools that would encourage people to interact more and risk less more frequently rather than having a basic all or nothing choice which will most often come down on the 'nothing' side to the detriment of the game. |

Billionaire Carebear
University of Caille Gallente Federation
89
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Posted - 2012.02.11 16:51:00 -
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How about Philanthropy? There are so many new players all the time, and just a few million here and there would go so far to help them out. How much fun could be had with a Trillion handed out in small sums to a vast number of newer players? Imaging the hit to the market as all that ISK is spent at once. And there are some players who would truly appreciate a gift and put it to good use actually improving their character with wise expenditures of funds. Just a crazy thought.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_and_spirit_of_the_law http://krypto451.deviantart.com/art/Care-Bears-Spanking-168001373 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh0Uu1yD-v0 -įGeorge Carlin "They're Just Words." |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
263
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Posted - 2012.02.11 17:25:00 -
[43] - Quote
Forum ate my post, reposting later. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Riley Moore
Sentinum Research
323
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Posted - 2012.02.11 17:26:00 -
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What it meant for me?
Stability mostly, not having to worry about next plexes that I need, and I get to save irl money which is always nice. Getting rich meant I could try out more in EVE. I've done the lowsec stuff, 0.0 stuff and ended up dualboxing carriers until supers became the new plaything.
Now I just relax, chat ingame, do my bpo business and generally play the market games. I feel like a retired person :P Large volumes of highly researched Ammo, drones, charges and ship bpo's. Biggest BPO store in EVE! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=445524#post445524 |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
263
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Posted - 2012.02.11 17:41:00 -
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Breaker77 wrote: I have to agree with all the above.
On a more personal note, once I achieved becoming "rich" I now no longer play EVE and just log in to change skills every so often. Once you learn the secrets to becoming a "billionaire" the drive to continue playing the game seems to decline. Sure you can always make more ISK, blow up more ships, lose more ships, buy the most expansive BPOs, ect... but the fun is gone.
It happened to me as well.
I have never cared to become e-rich to begin with, for me money is just a tool to do something else. A tool I did not really need that much, as I had experienced a lot of EvE already.
Therefore once I passed a thresold of about 80B NAV I felt "done" with the game.
About Dec 2010 I decided it was time to pull the plug.
But when I was about to do that, a "revelation" struck me.
Vaerah, my Ideal Person I am not strong enough to be in RL, once again teached me a lesson, as she did with RL trading.
"What about you stop being a selfish meaningless cog in the mechanism and go beyond the sandbox walls?" "What about you do something worthwhile in your e-life for once?"
And thus I created the VAERT Charity, something worth playing for, something worth making money for, something that can help for real. Since that day I am not *that* active in game but I feel motivated enough to keep playing it. It's refreshing to know that the efforts won't be wasted but will have a real consequence - maybe even a real RL butterfly effect.
I know this text won't help most people who "won" EvE but maybe it could give motivation to 1-2 of them and keep them with us.
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Kris White
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.02.11 18:06:00 -
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"Lifestyles of the rich and the famous They're always complainin' Always complainin' If money is such a problem Well they got mansions Think we should rob them" |

wallenbergaren
University of Caille Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.02.11 18:34:00 -
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Hunng Ibruin wrote:I decided to take up trading and manufacturing with a loan on certain items that had a great profit margin and I could sell over 500 a day. So I fired up my 9 slots and blasted out a crap ton of this item (each netting 40%+ profit). For 3 weeks now I watched my initial loan of 100m grow to over 15 billion as I trade, manufacture and do some PI stuff and now.....the game isn't fun. I currently have 9billion in materials pumping out things that will gain me constant returns. I've learned how to make unlimited isk and the urge to get into the game and do something has declined quite significantly  Sure I don't have the 100billion but so what, I personally feel the challenge is gone and there isn't much to do but blow it . Of course one highlight of this isk is being able to completely crash 4 markets in Jita and Amarr while scoring some nice profit off da bots who stupidly followed my moves.
Yes I'm sure you magically found a high demand item with 40% manufacturing profit margin that almost no one knows about. Seems about as likely as needing a 100m loan while having a character with good trading, manufacturing and PI skills. |

Billionaire Carebear
University of Caille Gallente Federation
89
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Posted - 2012.02.11 19:36:00 -
[48] - Quote
Would it be fun for a few Trillionaires to Pauper themselves back down to 10 or 100 Billion, and then work their fortunes back up to a high level? To foster players of 6 months or more, in the form of ISK or PLEX. You gain the gratitude of a new following of friends, you get to have a chance to build a new fortune, and most of all you get re-involved with the game and have some FUN while you are at it.
Because FUN is the whole point to the game, Right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_and_spirit_of_the_law http://krypto451.deviantart.com/art/Care-Bears-Spanking-168001373 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh0Uu1yD-v0 -įGeorge Carlin "They're Just Words." |

Buruk Utama
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
87
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Posted - 2012.02.11 21:45:00 -
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wallenbergaren wrote:Hunng Ibruin wrote:I decided to take up trading and manufacturing with a loan on certain items that had a great profit margin and I could sell over 500 a day. So I fired up my 9 slots and blasted out a crap ton of this item (each netting 40%+ profit). For 3 weeks now I watched my initial loan of 100m grow to over 15 billion as I trade, manufacture and do some PI stuff and now.....the game isn't fun. I currently have 9billion in materials pumping out things that will gain me constant returns. I've learned how to make unlimited isk and the urge to get into the game and do something has declined quite significantly  Sure I don't have the 100billion but so what, I personally feel the challenge is gone and there isn't much to do but blow it . Of course one highlight of this isk is being able to completely crash 4 markets in Jita and Amarr while scoring some nice profit off da bots who stupidly followed my moves. Yes I'm sure you magically found a high demand item with 40% manufacturing profit margin that almost no one knows about. Seems about as likely as needing a 100m loan while having a character with good trading, manufacturing and PI skills.
Actually that isn't hard to find 40-200% profit on high demands items if you know where/when to off load them. I will keep a stash of items I trade/manufacture until the weekend when the weekend warriors loadup. You'll see the price peek for pvp items on Friday through Sat and is a great time to offload at various pvp/low sec hubs. Of course it helps when you have a network of hauling partners that ensure your goods are at market at the right time. |

Wookie 1
State Protectorate Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.11 22:26:00 -
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I feel I should interject here. Since I first began to play EVE in the May of 2009 slightly under (about 4.5 Billion), has passed through my wallet. Thats a cumalative total and I have played EVE actively since then. Now I'm not silly with my money (rarely at least). But, I feel another perspective here was needed.
Also for a further deliniation I have 170 Million ISk in wallet now and have probably never had any more than say 370-400 million. Assets wise 300 Million Scattered Around EVE (Mainly a 225 Million ISk BS I cannot sell)
My point here is not to say 'hey look at me I'm poor' it is just to point out that some of the sums even mentioned here are massively rich to my eyes. I suppose Rich just changes on what you see I suppose.
How would becoming Rich change the game for me, well I dont really know. But if I had to guess I'd suggest the game would become better as I would no longer lose a couple of ships in PvP and have a massive ISk Panic.
I suspect that my view on this probably says more about my deficiency in any understanding of how ISk can be made in any real amount than about any shockingly profound point though. |

Officer Nyota Uhura
210
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Posted - 2012.02.12 18:44:00 -
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Funny, I never thought I was rich, but if 5bil is rich, and I have hundred times that, I guess I am rich. Doesn't feel like that, though. How the hundred billion mark affected the game - I've stopped thinking about ISK. There's a constant flow with minimal effort so not much thinking about it. If you can replace your supercarrier pretty easily it changes your attitude to gameplay. I can't fly a titan and couldn't replace it easily (not that much liquid cash), so that one would still hurt. I still have some way to go, I guess. |

Brock Nelson
333
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Posted - 2012.02.12 19:00:00 -
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It turned me into a **** I'm a isk *****, bitches love isk |

Riley Moore
Sentinum Research
324
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Posted - 2012.02.12 19:05:00 -
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Brock Nelson wrote:It turned me into a ****
Confirming Brock turned into a **** Large volumes of highly researched Ammo, drones, charges and ship bpo's. Biggest BPO store in EVE! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=445524#post445524 |

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
314
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Posted - 2012.02.12 22:47:00 -
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Billionaire Carebear wrote:How about Philanthropy? There are so many new players all the time, and just a few million here and there would go so far to help them out.
That makes the game less interesting for new players. Half the fun is trying to get ahead. Look at the title of this thread. |

Wookie 1
State Protectorate Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.02.12 22:55:00 -
[55] - Quote
If Philanthropy is being offered though. I would gladly accept :p. |

rob3r
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
37
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Posted - 2012.02.13 04:26:00 -
[56] - Quote
I just broke the 10B mark and I feel pretty smug about that, but I still need a lot more in order to reach some of my goals.
As the #2 guy in Test I know a fair bit about the politics of 0.0, so if I ever became a trillionaire I am sure I could have quite a bit of fun moving the mid level alliances around the map like chess pieces.
I know it has been done by guys like Horus, but it doesn't seem to happen as often as I think it would. So for you trillionaires out there looking for something fun to do, that might be something to think about.
If that sounds like too much effort, just buy Rifters. Always need more Rifters. |

malaire
215
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Posted - 2012.02.13 08:31:00 -
[57] - Quote
Adunh Slavy wrote:Billionaire Carebear wrote:How about Philanthropy? There are so many new players all the time, and just a few million here and there would go so far to help them out. That makes the game less interesting for new players. Half the fun is trying to get ahead. Look at the title of this thread. When I help new players, I quite often also offer some starting cash - 1-5 million usually. Allmost everyone declines because they want to get that by themselves.
New to EVE? Don't forget to read: The Manual * The Wiki * The Career Options * and everything else |

Billionaire Carebear
University of Caille Gallente Federation
92
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Posted - 2012.02.13 16:00:00 -
[58] - Quote
There was a sale on plex yesterday, $5 off 2, sold for 455 mil each. And this morning R&D agents will now talk to me, so I can start to do things that will earn me ISK. Does rich count if you use RL cash to buy ISK? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_and_spirit_of_the_law http://krypto451.deviantart.com/art/Care-Bears-Spanking-168001373 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh0Uu1yD-v0 -įGeorge Carlin "They're Just Words." |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
270
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Posted - 2012.02.13 16:32:00 -
[59] - Quote
Billionaire Carebear wrote:There was a sale on plex yesterday, $5 off 2, sold for 455 mil each. And this morning R&D agents will now talk to me, so I can start to do things that will earn me ISK. Does rich count if you use RL cash to buy ISK?
It's your sandbox and your game.
In my own sandbox, if I had to turn PLEX into ISK I'd feel I failed at business and am cheating to myself. But that's just me. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Billionaire Carebear
University of Caille Gallente Federation
92
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Posted - 2012.02.13 17:26:00 -
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I don't mind spending money to learn how to make ISK, in the beginning. I will learn how to earn ISK, and get rich, and that is why this thread interests me. However, I have been rather disappointed in the replies so far of what people have done with their fortunes. I believe in playing the game - not hoarding the game's resources. I suppose that I have been too generous handing out millions to fellow miners and giving gratuities in-game to people who help me out. So after 8 months I am just getting out of mining and into research, though I think if I want to MAKE a fortune it is in the market. For me, I get enjoyment from positive interaction with other players in-game, and want to find a way to funnel my profits to the less fortunate. I find that it is the 'getting' and not the 'having' that is fun, so even once I learn how to earn ISK hand over fist - I still wont have any, cause I will give it all away.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_and_spirit_of_the_law http://krypto451.deviantart.com/art/Care-Bears-Spanking-168001373 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh0Uu1yD-v0 -įGeorge Carlin "They're Just Words." |
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