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Gregory Brunswick
Enlightened Enterprise
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Posted - 2012.02.09 03:34:00 -
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How did becoming rich in eve online change the game for you. Did it change it for the better? Was there any difference in playing from the psychological standpoint? Did you change the way to the way you played the game? Or did it result in the game becoming more boring?
Rich in this context would start at around the 5 billion isk mark (including assets) which is 10 times the average wallet. I would include assets but there is no hard numbers for that. |
PlatinumMercSEAL
Screaming War Eagle Capital Firm
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Posted - 2012.02.09 03:39:00 -
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Why put a goal? I see the sky is the limit on wallet size. One you get there, keep making ISK. My advice is use the larger wallet to make even more ISK. Profit usually ratios with the ISK put in to make ISK. In basic terms, more ISK you have, the more you should be making. Here is rich in my terms: Making Billions In A Day, Everyday!
President of the Screaming War Eagle Association
Doing business is my game. |
Jan VanRijkdom
Jan VanRijkdom Corporation
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Posted - 2012.02.09 03:40:00 -
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Well, 5bill Im sure isnt 10 times the avg wallet bc of corp wallet and various other reasons.
That notwithstanding, I feel like I can squash the common player like a bug and don't tend to condescend to acknowleging the common player.
And that I can pvp without consequence.
Cynical Troll-ish Psuedo-Dutch Guys Rule. |
Tidurious
The Dirty Rejects
Scelus Sceleris.
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Posted - 2012.02.09 04:02:00 -
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It has generally allowed me the freedom to make ISK from more passive sources, such as bulk trading, so I no longer have to try and play x number of hours per week or I won't have any ISK to do anything. Once you have 3+ Billion ISK, it seems like it's much easier to make more. I have more time to move orders around, etc.
If I want to PvP, I'll go PvP. If I feel like running a mission for the heck of it, I will. If I want to wardec someone, I can - but as long as I keep at least 3-4 Billion ISK aside that I don't spend, I don't need to really "work" for more that much if I don't feel like it.
Lately, I've been looking at starting an exciting venture with a few friends (and an alt or two that I will finally give a little time to on the skill queue). I *might* have one investor at the moment, but be prepared for a possible post on MD for more start-up capital if required :) |
David Forge
Forge Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.02.09 04:31:00 -
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It's the same hamburger. |
Gusmanak
Bureau of Interstellar Exploration
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Posted - 2012.02.09 05:31:00 -
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I wish I had the funds to wonder. |
OfBalance
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2012.02.09 06:06:00 -
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Didn't change a thing for me, although I hardly consider myself rich anymore. Laziness/Apathy combined with inflation you know. |
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
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Posted - 2012.02.09 06:16:00 -
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When did 5 billion suddenly become 'rich', especially when you also include assets which would be defined as 'poor'?
Back when I was still hustling around to earn ISK, 5 billion in the wallet and orders was average. When I became rich, in the real sense of the word, I stopped undocking and rarely logging in.
84,000 AUR ($420) spent on NeX store for Troll and Profit. |
Bad Bobby
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2012.02.09 08:30:00 -
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Gregory Brunswick wrote:How did becoming rich in eve online change the game for you. Did it change it for the better? Was there any difference in playing from the psychological standpoint? Did you change the way to the way you played the game? Or did it result in the game becoming more boring?
Rich in this context would start at around the 5 billion isk mark (including assets) which is 10 times the average wallet. I would include assets but there is no hard numbers for that.
It's been a long time since I reached the 5b mark (my best guess would be late 2006) so it's difficult to remember what changes, if any, crossing that specific line had on my EVE experience.
Personally, I haven't found the game to be any less interesting or challenging as a result of increased wealth. Actually, I think the opposite is the case and I've had more options and more challenges available to me as I add each zero to the end of my NAV figure. I very much doubt I'll cross the next line in to tens of trillions, but that will not stop me trying. |
Cyniac
Twilight Star Rangers
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.09 10:29:00 -
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Gregory Brunswick wrote:Rich in this context would start at around the 5 billion isk mark (including assets) which is 10 times the average wallet. I would include assets but there is no hard numbers for that.
Wait what... I'm rich?
Doesn't feel rich 
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De Guillaume
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.09 11:13:00 -
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i have 70b in wallet and if if u include assets that will be over 100b. and if u then add the vale of my 131m sp toon which say a conservative figure of 60b. thats come to 160b and i barley play the game now. for me its got boring, I can now easily make another 100b in less time and I can't be bothered. I let new opportunity go as isk becomes less important.
i think the ability to make isk a lot faster kinda killed the game as it feels you won it. you can buy anything and loose anything. i gave away 10b last week. i made 15b since then back. but i think isk. effects different people in different ways.
The best time i have ever had was the first year of playing eve. then it went down hill.
my advise is don;t make to much isk. stay between 5-15b and you will enjoy the game more 
yep I am wining about having to much isk, aint that a ***** |
Kara Roideater
Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.09 11:35:00 -
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Getting rich didn't really change the game too much for me as my time profile and family committments meant I couldn't really use the isk for anything other than making more isk. So I didn't have the issue of feeling that challenges had gone as far as getting into ships and losing stuff was concerned. I initially had my eye on hitting 100bil as a target that would satisfy me but I got to that level after six months or so in the game and revised my target up to a trillion. However, it slowly dawned on me that this was going to be more of an endurance sport than fun. I wasn't earning the isk for any reason than as 'points' representing my score in eve and this rapidly loses meaning if the challenges to get those points cease to be fun. The critical point for me came not with an amount of money but with a way of making money.
When I realised that I could make more than 3bil a day, day in day out for the rest of my time in eve without having to put any more thought into it, the challenge was gone. I think I pretty much maxed out possible isk/hour returns so doing anything different to make isk would have been a step down and there didn't appear to be any further steps up. Of course, there is the kinetic pleasure of finding different ways to make isk in different configurations of time, effort, capital invested and such like but its all a bit academic when you can already have as much of it as you want and far more than you could enjoyably spend. The challenge, for me, has gone and whilst there is fun to be had in investigations I don't find the same sense of satisfaction. And I'm certainly never going to punish myself by mindlessly grinding the same perfect business plan for months at a time to get isk I don't need. The remaining satisfying things in the game are those that come from human interaction, helping other people out and seeing them flourish. |
Dane El
Daneco Inc.
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Posted - 2012.02.09 12:28:00 -
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I hardly consider that rich. That's having adequate capital to run a decent trade operation. 100B+ is rich in my book. So there you go, your perception of rich shifts to ever higher and higher targets. |
De Guillaume
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.09 12:39:00 -
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i think anything above 50b + having a decent toon. should be considered rich. but the multi- millionaire rich not the billionaire sort of rich.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=66284&find=unread
whoever buys that above. is what I would consider stupid rich and I salute them. because selling that back for a profit won\t be easy. so they must be sitting on a big buffer of isk. |
Gregory Brunswick
Enlightened Enterprise
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Posted - 2012.02.09 13:17:00 -
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If u included assets ithe 'rich'mark probably hits betwee 6 to 10 billion which is not a lot more. A little fyi guys. A study showed that most millionaires didn't feel rich and felt that double their money would be comfortable and entering the rich mark even though they hold wealth above the majority of people by multiple times and they were by definition rich. |
Mummas Boy
Station Exports
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Posted - 2012.02.09 14:02:00 -
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at the 5b mark very little changed for me but that would be a fair while ago and would involve a 5 minute lucky spell when I found Estamel Tharcon. She treated me very well.
As I got richer I wanted to make more money so I used to split my time between PVP and looking for faction/officer spawns.
When I reached a point of having around 15b in the bank I added building supercaps into that equation.
I lost a fair bit on that with the nerf but right now I have around 15b isk and around 35b assets and whilst I don;t class that as anything like rich, it has changed my game play in that I continue to try and make more money through building stuff and invention in empire rather undocking my 0.0 pvp character.
It could also be that I prefer smaller gang type (i.e. 5 - 15 in gang) pvp and everywhere just seems blobs on that front these days, even if said blob is only a 30 man gang set up to come and kill you. |
Utemetsu
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Posted - 2012.02.09 14:17:00 -
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After starting the show the first time, I found myself with a wad of cash and NO IDEA how to spend it. I lost 2 control towers in my nubbishness.
Eve Morning Report - Daily Economic News of New Eden
www.evemorningreport.themumm.com |
Bad Bobby
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2012.02.09 15:13:00 -
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I don't think getting rich bores anyone. I think it's running out of new challenges and experiences that does that. This is more likely to happen to you if you have a narrow play style. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
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Posted - 2012.02.09 15:17:00 -
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What did it change?I think nothing , i lost a big part of my interest in the game a long time ago and now just play because of a lack of anything wich suits me better.I doubt though it has anything to do with more isk but mostly is because i have been playing this game for a long long time. |
malaire
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Posted - 2012.02.09 16:16:00 -
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I have done serious trading for about 7 months now. That brought me from 4 bil total value (which I got mainly from missioning) to about 30-40 bil total value.
At 5 bil I was just starting trading and at 10 bil I just continued as before. But at 20+ bil game did change a lot. For better. And less boring.
First I got second account for 2nd trader. Now I could dualbox and have chars in two trading hubs, instead of autopilotting (with empty cargo of course) between them as I used to do. Trading got a lot more efficient and demanded less of my time.
Then I got 3rd account for non-trading activities. So that I could triplebox, keeping my traders earning me ISK, while I used this 3rd account for whatever else I want to do. Earlier I had to undock my trader and stop earning ISK when I wanted to do anything else, but now with dedicated account my trading again got more efficient, while giving me ability to also do something else without hurting my profits. (As a bonus my traders who never need to undock are now safe from wardecs.)
As my wealth increases, I need less time to actually update my orders to keep income at level which can sustain my playstyle. So I can use more time for something else. Also being able to train 3 characters at once makes it more interesting to plan skills than with just single char.
I like helping new players, and having more ISK gives more opportunities to help. On christmas I gave PLEX for one newbie as a gift. Few times I've given "21+30 day buddy invites" since I can afford to lose that PLEX in case I get scammed. If I see someone asking for ISK or ship in chat I can do so if I want.
And losing ships is not a problem. I can afford to lose practically any ship I can fly.
New to EVE? Don't forget to read: The Manual * The Wiki * The Career Options * and everything else |
Kinsey Bix
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Posted - 2012.02.09 19:36:00 -
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De Guillaume wrote:i have 70b in wallet and if if u include assets that will be over 100b. and if u then add the vale of my 131m sp toon which say a conservative figure of 60b.
lol, drink bleach pubbie. Anyone can buy a 100mil sp characters and resell them. |
Arcosian
Alien Ship Builders
Caedite Eos
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Posted - 2012.02.09 20:10:00 -
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Kara Roideater wrote:Getting rich didn't really change the game too much for me as my time profile and family committments meant I couldn't really use the isk for anything other than making more isk. So I didn't have the issue of feeling that challenges had gone as far as getting into ships and losing stuff was concerned. I initially had my eye on hitting 100bil as a target that would satisfy me but I got to that level after six months or so in the game and revised my target up to a trillion. However, it slowly dawned on me that this was going to be more of an endurance sport than fun. I wasn't earning the isk for any reason than as 'points' representing my score in eve and this rapidly loses meaning if the challenges to get those points cease to be fun. The critical point for me came not with an amount of money but with a way of making money.
When I realised that I could make more than 3bil a day, day in day out for the rest of my time in eve without having to put any more thought into it, the challenge was gone. I think I pretty much maxed out possible isk/hour returns so doing anything different to make isk would have been a step down and there didn't appear to be any further steps up. Of course, there is the kinetic pleasure of finding different ways to make isk in different configurations of time, effort, capital invested and such like but its all a bit academic when you can already have as much of it as you want and far more than you could enjoyably spend. The challenge, for me, has gone and whilst there is fun to be had in investigations I don't find the same sense of satisfaction. And I'm certainly never going to punish myself by mindlessly grinding the same perfect business plan for months at a time to get isk I don't need. The remaining satisfying things in the game are those that come from human interaction, helping other people out and seeing them flourish.
Six months to 100bil!!!  Here I thought I was doing good at 15bil teach me master. |
OmegaMahn
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.02.09 21:17:00 -
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De Guillaume wrote:i have 70b in wallet and if if u include assets that will be over 100b. and if u then add the vale of my 131m sp toon which say a conservative figure of 60b. thats come to 160b and i barley play the game now. for me its got boring, I can now easily make another 100b in less time and I can't be bothered. I let new opportunity go as isk becomes less important. i think the ability to make isk a lot faster kinda killed the game as it feels you won it. you can buy anything and loose anything. i gave away 10b last week. i made 15b since then back. but i think isk. effects different people in different ways. The best time i have ever had was the first year of playing eve. then it went down hill. my advise is don;t make to much isk. stay between 5-15b and you will enjoy the game more yep I am wining about having to much isk, aint that a *****
Really ? A 131M sp toon ? in less than two years - if true then you bought your toon, and if you bought your 131m sp toon then you bought your other riches as well - so you never were NOT rich. Which (IMO) makes your "advice" seem a lot less meaningful - and if truely your advice is to have less ISK , by all means, please feel free to send some of you surplus to me.
I think that having 3 -5 billion in your wallet allows you to take more chances and do more things that you could not do when you did not have the surplus ISK. If I loose a 200m isk ship now sure itsa bummer but not as big a bummer as when I only had 200m isk |
Nub Sauce
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.09 21:27:00 -
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I have fun manipulating regional markets. It has added fun to the game for me.
Also, being able to purchase just about any ship and modules I want at a moment's notice is very handy. The greatest part, I earned it all. I did not spend any real $ aside from my subscription. |
Skywalker
MAFIA
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2012.02.09 22:19:00 -
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After reaching 1000'nd mark i didn't stop looking forward.
Same procedure all over.
*talks about corpses.
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Robert Saint
Luminaire Trading Company
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Posted - 2012.02.09 23:23:00 -
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Still on the build wealth path. Started playing EVE August of 2011... I've found trading toons is much more profitable than any other part of the game. I could grind and make a billion a week or so trading, but didn't like the price margin .01 cent war at all.... So picked up trading characters about 2 months ago and have jumped from 6 billion account to just over 80b in toon inventory and assets in that time. I use plex to do resubs and handle 10 accounts... the trade takes care of the fees...
Fun Factor ... The Missions are fun and it's great trying out new ships with the toons I buy before I sell them again. Have not played with PVP much since it's not much fun solo (getting owned by gangs)... The game has so many things you can do, I think I'll be in to it for a few more years.
PS... buy my toons..
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Gregory Brunswick
Enlightened Enterprise
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Posted - 2012.02.10 03:31:00 -
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Would you have ever had a toon named elesaar? |
Samroski
Games Inc.
EVE Trade Consortium
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Posted - 2012.02.10 06:50:00 -
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When I was genuinely poor I had a few modules and some ships and every time I switched ships I stripped it and used the modules to fit the other one. I used to wish I could afford many modules to save myself refitting all the time. Now I buy scores of ships at a whim and fit them with all sorts of fancy modules, and hardly ever fly them.
I've become more immune to losses. I was always pretty philosophical about losses and now it somehow matters even less. I lost a very expensive faction fitted tengu in the background while I was chatting with someone and didn't even raise an eyebrow, whereas before I was determined to learn a lesson from every loss.
My trading style has changed- spend much less time on it.
I've become more interested in forums/blogs/general direction Eve's taking than in playing the game.
Having said all that, I still love the game and will continue to play, and am taking (slow) steps to ensure long term financial security. |
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
35
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Posted - 2012.02.10 07:42:00 -
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I am poor (although I have more than 5b ISK in assets) - I usually have 100-300m ISK in my wallet and no investments to speak of.
My primary sources of income are mission running, ratting and occasionally incursions (which i hate with a passion).
How does being poor change the game for me?
I often have to sell some of my assets to finance something new - only to re-buy them a few weeks later. Especially when faction/deadspace items are involved this results in pretty huge losses over time.
If I were rich I suppose I wouldn't have to cannibalize my assets for new acquisitions (to buy a character I had to sell literally everything except for a mission ship) resulting in much faster growth of my wealth.
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Prinzessin Leia
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.02.10 08:36:00 -
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So I think I-¦m rich, cause i have fun playing the game.
I only have around 1.3bil at all in game (Wallet/Assets) but i have FUN playing the game.
Every month i buy a plex to get my account running (only 1), and thats roughly all i have to spend
ingame. I own a missioning Maelstrom, a Noctis and a Basilisk for doing incursions with some
ingame buddy-¦s.
All my commodities (Munition and Cap Booster charges) i build on my own by refining my loot.
So yes I-¦m the richest dude in EVE just by having fun :)
(Although i would like to have a Machariel cause it looks so good) |
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