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Quodd	Posted - 2008.01.06 19:11:00 - [1] Im looking to make a new char as im new myself .. The thing I hate about MMOs is investing time .. then finding out you now know what is going on and have to reroll. Im begging someone who already knows what is going on to help me please. I would like the best PVP race for my char. I guess it isnt HUGE as they are all good but I heard somewhere that Gall or Min are a little better. I also heard that drones are the way to go? Could anyone clarify which they would say is better for a noober to be stronger faster? Also should I pick drones? And I guess make my char with the lowest charisma as possible? Thanks so much guys .. your experience is appreciated.
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.06 19:18:00 - [2] caldari are for killing NPC's Gallente are the typical pvp race minmatar is very skill intensive, but good at pvp amarr is... well, in the middle someplace, between "skill intensive" and "pvp" disclaimer: Nothing i say, do, think, or once have said, done, nor thought about can be held against me
Asestorian Domination.	Posted - 2008.01.06 19:19:00 - [3] Gallente are usually considered to be the easiest race to start PvPing with. At the end of the day though your performance in PvP is based a lot more on your own abilities than your race. I'd probably go Gallente, but that's because I'm less fond of ridiculous speed and nano stuff, but I don't know what you like. --- MOZO
Minee Ze Gallente AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.01.06 19:20:00 - [4] since you can train any skill in game beginning race is not as big of an issue, the real difference is that you start off with skills more suited to your race, i myself like galente ships but the mini ships i have witnessed are pretty god as well, another thing to consider is that the minmatar are skill intensive to use well and the galente are easier to specialize in. but, that being said specialization makes switching things harder galente guns only do 2 types of dmg whereas, mini can change dmg types. minmatar are usually faster than galete but the galente use drones 90% of the time in concert with their guns. that is my .02 isk hope it helps, -Minee Ze You cannot simultaneously prevent and prepare for war. Albert Einstein
Thorek Ironbrow Ironbrow Industries Co. Empire Research	Posted - 2008.01.06 19:26:00 - [5] I'd say if you're going to be played this game for longer than 6 months, Minmatar, and less than 6 months, Gallente. _____________________________ Thorek Ironbrow of Ironbrow Industries Co. Part of the Empire Research Alliance Look us up in Nomaa or Itamo to join!
Rua Temples of Boom	Posted - 2008.01.06 19:51:00 - [6] Undead Shadow Priest. Seriously, "best" depends on how you play the game and how you define a good pvp ship.
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2008.01.06 20:16:00 - [7] In the past everyone would have said 'Caldari' - as EVE constantly evolves and changes you should just go for what you like best if you plan to stay longterm. Well, maybe anything apart of Amarr who seem to be doomed to be gimped forever :P Now recruiting!
L70Rogue	Posted - 2008.01.06 20:18:00 - [8] minmatar but hopefully they will be nerfed soon
Boomershoot Caldari Insurgent New Eden Tribe Deus Ex.	Posted - 2008.01.06 20:19:00 - [9] Minmatar, because it can't be nerfed as "weakest race" however, minmatar has the most usefull pvp ship till now (rupture/munin stabber/vagabond and slepnir) and with the niddoghur boost it is now the one with the best logistic carrier :D also, gallentean got nerfed with drones, but as a new player you'll even notice it :P _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ For all your Jita Problems, click here
DeadRow Naqam	Posted - 2008.01.06 20:25:00 - [10] Amarr of obviously the best
Kaian Voskhod	Posted - 2008.01.06 20:30:00 - [11] Just an opinion Matars isn't a ggod choice because when you will be skilled enough to pvp with 'em, they will probably be nerfed. If you like to take risks, try amarr. They are actually nerfed to death, but because they are actually nerfed, i bet they will recieve a boost. my 2 isks
Thunderguts Fusion Enterprises Ltd Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.01.06 21:19:00 - [12] I think the starting attributes are more important because you can re-train the skills in about a month but the attributes can't be re-rolled. Go for perception and willpower, those enhance piloting and weaponry skill training. Though I think drones use different attributes.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari SIVAKASI	Posted - 2008.01.06 21:20:00 - [13] Go Minmatar because killboards can't be wrong. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Recruitment -KB-
Modesty Blaise	Posted - 2008.01.06 21:49:00 - [14] Originally by: Thunderguts I think the starting attributes are more important because you can re-train the skills in about a month but the attributes can't be re-rolled. Go for perception and willpower, those enhance piloting and weaponry skill training. Though I think drones use different attributes. Dont agree unless you wish to create a hauler that can fly all ships as fast as possible. Best choice for that is to take a Brutor with slaveborn ancestry. Perc and Will attributes will sky rocket and your training time drop drastically However you will a hard time to get your pvp skills since Int and Mem will only start at 4. All necessary support skills in Engineering, Mechanical and Electronics will take ages to train. You should choose your attribute points and heritage in such a way that none of your attributes, except for Charisma, are below 6. Then see to that Perception and intelligence is as high as possible. Among the Minamatar the Sebestior is the most balanced in attributes
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.01.06 22:11:00 - [15] Originally by: Modesty Blaise Originally by: Thunderguts I think the starting attributes are more important because you can re-train the skills in about a month but the attributes can't be re-rolled. Go for perception and willpower, those enhance piloting and weaponry skill training. Though I think drones use different attributes. Dont agree unless you wish to create a hauler that can fly all ships as fast as possible. Best choice for that is to take a Brutor with slaveborn ancestry. Perc and Will attributes will sky rocket and your training time drop drastically However you will a hard time to get your pvp skills since Int and Mem will only start at 4. All necessary support skills in Engineering, Mechanical and Electronics will take ages to train. You should choose your attribute points and heritage in such a way that none of your attributes, except for Charisma, are below 6. Then see to that Perception and intelligence is as high as possible. Among the Minamatar the Sebestior is the most balanced in attributes Now ive vaguely thought about that. Assuming (simplified for arguments sake): A Perception of 10 A Int of 1 And you have one point to allocate. Putting it on percpetion will give a 10% speed boost to perception related skills, putting it on INT will half the training of int related skills. So dont those peeps who ram up the perc and willpower stitich themselves up? SKUNK
Modesty Blaise	Posted - 2008.01.06 22:18:00 - [16] Originally by: Le Skunk Now ive vaguely thought about that. Assuming (simplified for arguments sake): A Perception of 10 A Int of 1 And you have one point to allocate. Putting it on percpetion will give a 10% speed boost to perception related skills, putting it on INT will half the training of int related skills. So dont those peeps who ram up the perc and willpower stitich themselves up? SKUNK Yupp they do. Unless you have a certain purpose for the char. For some years ago I wanted an Itty V hauler and the best choice to do that was to pick a Brutor Slaveborn and put 3 points in perception and then some learning skills. That way I got the Itty V fast. But in other areas that char sucks to train anything
Quodd	Posted - 2008.01.06 22:43:00 - [17] Hmmmm Being the horrible noob that I am ... so should I take Gallante and go drones? .. and put it all in perc / int / will ? So sorry for the confusion but im really tryin to wrap my head around this game and just want a good solid pvp player that will be fun after 2 or 3 months Making a gimp or slowing my learning will drive me nuts down the road. Thanks again everyone for all of these posts .. im going to read it through again for a 3rd time :)
cal nereus Hobos of War Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.01.06 23:04:00 - [18] Edited by: cal nereus on 06/01/2008 23:06:23 Caldari - Best electronic warfare IMHO. They also have the highest damage close range ship in the Torp-Raven, and the longest range sniper in the Rail-Rohk. I also like their interceptors (Crow/Raptor) and a few of their other useful support ships, such as the Basilisk. Gallente - Overall, still the most popular race for PvP, largely because of ease-of-use. Good armor tanking, uses drones and hybrid guns (both rails and blasters) for damage, and has some well-known tech-2 ships for gang/fleet PvP. The Oneiros is a huge blessing for flees, while the nano-Ishtar is popular for small roaming gangs. Minmatar - Fastest ships in the game. Another popular race for PvP, but much more skill-intensive. It takes a longer time to get both shield and armor tanking, projectiles, and missiles, but once you have them you are a monster in PvP. They have a huge selection of PvP-capable ships, the most popular small-gang ships being the Vagabond, Huginn, Rapier and Sabre. Amarr - Focused on armor tanking and dealing damage with lasers, but not all that good overall. They also have a few ships that use lots of missiles or drones. Decent pair of battleships in the Armageddon and Abaddon, and I've heard stories about the neut-Curse, but other than that I can't say much about them. Edit: If you want to go PvP, regardless of race, you will want most of your attribute points in Perception. Then evenly distribute points between Willpower, Intelligence, and Memory (primary attribute for drones). Charisma is the least important, but if you plan on using Command Ships or something, don't neglect the learning skills for Charisma. --- Join BH-DL Skills
Lobsters There's Cake I Promise	Posted - 2008.01.07 00:06:00 - [19] Edited by: Lobsters on 07/01/2008 00:08:50 Originally by: Quodd Im looking to make a new char as im new myself .. The thing I hate about MMOs is investing time .. then finding out you now know what is going on and have to reroll. Im begging someone who already knows what is going on to help me please. I would like the best PVP race for my char. I guess it isnt HUGE as they are all good but I heard somewhere that Gall or Min are a little better. I also heard that drones are the way to go? Could anyone clarify which they would say is better for a noober to be stronger faster? Also should I pick drones? And I guess make my char with the lowest charisma as possible? Thanks so much guys .. your experience is appreciated. If your first character was created for PvP there really won't be a good reason to 'reroll' down the road. Especially if you've already learned your learning skills ect... You can just train for another race's ships. Edit: There really isn't a good reason to reroll if your character was created for Industry either unless you're only like 1-5 million in... in which case it might be easier to reroll and pick up some basic PvP skills fast.
Jurgen Cartis Caldari Interstellar Corporation of Exploration	Posted - 2008.01.07 00:08:00 - [20] Roll up an Achura with at 3 charisma, and go for 9+ in both perception and intelligence. You'll be fugly but effective. Then train Minmatar or Gallente. -------------------- ICE Blueprint Sales FIRST!! -Yipsilanti Pfft. Never such a thing as a "last chance". ;) -Rauth
Morgren Darkhymn Team Rocket.	Posted - 2008.01.07 00:29:00 - [21] I'd go Gallente, all the way.
aUTOKILL Gallente Nubs. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.01.07 00:31:00 - [22] depends on how you like to play the game matar for speed amarr for laz0rs gallente for dronez caldari for missiles ~~~~~~ doin it for the stats
Lt Angus Caldari the united	Posted - 2008.01.07 00:39:00 - [23] Amarr, Gatecamp Mini, roaming gallente, general purpose caldari, support my reply, vauge Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers
Quadrapon Caldari	Posted - 2008.01.07 01:27:00 - [24] Thanks guys for all of this .. I love the info So is this right for a Gall PVP build to start? Jin-Mei for your bloodline. Assign the additional 5 points to: +3 PER, +2 INT For heritage choose: Jing Ko Caste (+4 PER) For Career, choose Military For Specialization, choose Soldier -=-=-=-=-=-=- ½¦Quadrapon¦+ -=-=-=-=-=-=- PvP and Politics!!
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.01.07 01:28:00 - [25] Crosstrain for both and lol at any future nerfs. Originally by: Richard Phallus Come live with the common idiot, it's more fun down here. I did and got banned.
Thorion Mortisfilius	Posted - 2008.01.07 11:31:00 - [26] It really depends on your style. Missile Commander = Caldari (long distance fighter) Drone Warrior = Gallente (medium distance fighter) Gun Captain = Minmatar (close-in, see-the-whites-of-their-eyes fighter) Nerf soldier = Amarr (Forum troll) I am partial to Minmatar...I love Minmatar Frigates but I prefer Gallente Cruisers and split down the middle with Gallente & Minmatar Battleships.
ZerKar Caldari Zen'Tar	Posted - 2008.01.07 12:31:00 - [27] Charisma is mostly important for the leadership skills. SO unless you intend to boost your friends in battle with them it is not important. Gallente are the Uber race ATM. They will see you through any sort of Combat you hope to do be it PvP or PvE with ease. They are not intensely skill heavy to get started in though mastery of any race takes time, SP, and practice. You can also cross-train at any time to other poeple's ships, no need to 're-roll'. After all, I fly Matari, will not touch Caldari again until they un-nerf them. Minmatar are FUN to fly. They are skill intensive, they require a lot of practice to get down and Nav skills maxed BUT, they are FUN. Zipping around like a mad-man in crazy fast ships blowing stuff up with your auto-cannons blazing is a real trip. They do not absorb damage too well but they can dodge it (so to speak) better than anyone else. They put out a nice bit of Damage compared to the other races so plenty of Gank. Their ships can also be a tad cheaper in the right places due to smaller Mineral requirements. As for Drones, pffft, train them. Why not? Not training Drones up is like leaving highslots open for no reason. No matter WHAT race you fly you are going to have drone bays and even 1 drone is a force multiplier. Yes, Gallente use them "Best" but that does not mean you should fail to use a weapon that does not require any Powergrid or CPU to fit and no Cap to use in battle. + Drones can be extremely versitile in what they can do for you, making them very multipurpose, almost like the Swiss Army Knife of Ship Equipment. +++++++++++++++ I saw the Sign...! O.o
d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.07 12:44:00 - [28] Edited by: d026 on 07/01/2008 12:44:18 Originally by: Lance Fighter caldari are for killing NPC's Gallente are the typical pvp race minmatar is very skill intensive, but good at pvp amarr is... well, in the middle someplace, between "skill intensive" and "pvp" i completely disagree. caldari are excellent for pvp and npc... just dont expect to solo stuff often! caldari shine in gangs... ecm rocks, torps rock, missiles rock, blaster rokh rocks, crow rocks, blackbird, rook, raven, scorp, golem, cerb.
Andreask14 Alterum - Infinitus - Fabula Dragons Of Oceans	Posted - 2008.01.07 12:48:00 - [29] Amarr is the best pvp race, since any adversary will stay and fight, expecting your yellow shiny ship to be easy prey. Also, their ships are a little cheaper than t2 of the other races, sometimes.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.07 13:20:00 - [30] There is no 'best' pvp race, only a race that suits your style of play better than others. Originally by: ISD Cortes You're at liberty to use the rolling sig you had, as long as there's no chimeras covering the nether regions of voluptuous females.
Corewin Deathwatch Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.07 13:24:00 - [31] You can win Eve by specing minmatar to fly a vagabond.
DJ P	Posted - 2008.01.07 13:40:00 - [32] Except someone above, the rest of the replies look like they have being made from people who don't play EVE, but WOW. There isn't any character rolling requirement or bonus on something Make a character, who looks as you want (different races have different looks) and train the correspodent skills. If you don't like eg missiles (i used but not any more), just train something else. No limitations!
Foppemoa Caldari Royal Swedish Capsulers Inc.	Posted - 2008.01.07 14:35:00 - [33] Originally by: DJ P Except someone above, the rest of the replies look like they have being made from people who don't play EVE, but WOW. There isn't any character rolling requirement or bonus on something Make a character, who looks as you want (different races have different looks) and train the correspodent skills. If you don't like eg missiles (i used but not any more), just train something else. No limitations! Well, true. except that each race has a difference in the attributes you get (perception, willpower etc. etc.). So it does make a difference what race you start with in terms of speed for training skills. -------------------------------------------- Originally by: GLaDOS "But there is no sense crying over every mistake You just keep on trying until you run out of cake"
Modesty Blaise	Posted - 2008.01.07 21:25:00 - [34] Edited by: Modesty Blaise on 07/01/2008 21:26:08 Originally by: DJ P Except someone above, the rest of the replies look like they have being made from people who don't play EVE, but WOW. There isn't any character rolling requirement or bonus on something Make a character, who looks as you want (different races have different looks) and train the correspodent skills. If you don't like eg missiles (i used but not any more), just train something else. No limitations! Yupp your rigth I didnt go for attributes. I went for looks. Thats why I picked Sebestior. Perfect look for Modesty Blaise
Willie Garvin	Posted - 2008.01.07 21:31:00 - [35] Originally by: Modesty Blaise Edited by: Modesty Blaise on 07/01/2008 21:26:08 Yupp your rigth I didnt go for attributes. I went for looks. Thats why I picked Sebestior. Perfect look for Modesty Blaise Thats why I picked Caldari Deites. Perfect look for Willie Garvin
Aredin	Posted - 2008.01.07 21:45:00 - [36] Edited by: Aredin on 07/01/2008 21:47:09 You have to think about the future! Who is CCP going to nerf next? Because of this, I say go Amarr - it's impossible for them to be nerfed further /me ducks and covers...

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