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Posted - 2008.01.07 12:27:00 -
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Edited by: Forum Poster on 07/01/2008 12:27:15
Hey, I finally decided on my main account that I'd make an alt for speed tanking so I made one. Soon to be 24 hours into EVE life and a whopping 818,000 SP.
I can use a MWD that gets my slasher to got at 3.5 km/s and can only use it for a minute max before my cap dies. However I can use an AB and maintain 1050 m/s constant.
So....
I hope to bring this alt into my mains corp for 0.0 battles eventually so I'm wondering what are some good setups for 0.0 battles like gatecamps.
Also, after 2 weeks of training learning skills (roughly), what skills should I then train as my goal for mid February is to be able to fly a Minmatar Interceptor and maintain at least 5 km/s constant speed.
So...I'll ask the nice folks of ships and modules...What Interceptor Setups are the most effective? And if you have any idea what sort of skills I need, that would be a bonus.
Thanks to all of you in advance for any and all advice 
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Posted - 2008.01.07 15:43:00 -
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anyone?
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Foocurr
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Posted - 2008.01.07 17:35:00 -
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Welp.
The mind frame of a speed tanker is that every little bit helps.
As vague as that is, it is truly to the point.
I'm not going to list every skill required, but the general benefits are gained from each category:
Engineering:
cap related skills(recharge, capacity, etc.)
Shield (regen, capacity, etc.)
Electronics:
Prop jamming(lower you scram cap need)
Weapon of choice:
Obviously
Navigation:
Try to get all velocity and MWD bonus to 5. Especially Acceleration control.
High Speed manuv: At very least to 4.(lower MWD cap need)
Space command:
If you plan to get your start as an inty pilot, I highly recommend training interceptors to level 5. Doesn't take that long and is a great benefit.
You should be looking at getting these skill categories to level 5.
When you are done with all of that, you can do stuff like train cybernetics to level 5 and buy billions of isk worth of implants and even billions more worth of ships/mods. This is so you're ship goes very fast and is very hard to catch. Then, when you get blobbed by 10 minnie recons and die a very painful death, you're killers can come on this forum and whine about how long it took to catch you and that it took ages for their fleet of 20 ships that together cost 25% of what you paid for your setup to slow you down enough so that their torpedo ravens could do damage. After they scoop your loot, they'll exclaim, "Stupid nano-homosexual, now we got your expensive stuff."
No matter, you now have to spend a large amount of time selling all the loot you made off your killing spree which should put you back into your nice shiny internet spaceship.
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Ishan Mons
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Posted - 2008.01.07 17:41:00 -
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train learning skills 
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Foocurr
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Posted - 2008.01.07 17:42:00 -
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 Originally by: Ishan Mons
train learning skills
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Inen
Woopatang
The Red Skull
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Posted - 2008.01.07 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Foocurr
"Stupid nano-homosexual, now we got your expensive stuff."
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Odium47
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Posted - 2008.01.07 19:21:00 -
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There is no such think as speed tank, just passive tank combined with dodging the turrets sig resolution and missiles explosive velocity !
Stop saying speed tank, 'cause it does not exists !!!
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Anika Mobius
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Posted - 2008.01.07 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Odium47
There is no such think as speed tank, just passive tank combined with dodging the turrets sig resolution and missiles explosive velocity !
Stop saying speed tank, 'cause it does not exists !!!
I dunno. I've tanked PVE battleships in my cruiser because I can stay out of their range. That's basically tanking. 
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HowlinMad Murdock
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.01.07 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Odium47
There is no such think as speed tank, just passive tank combined with dodging the turrets sig resolution and missiles explosive velocity !
Stop saying speed tank, 'cause it does not exists !!!
and what do you propose people call it?!
passive dodging go fast tank?! cmon man everyone already knows what it is.
sure it's not "technically" speed tanking, but who the f&*# cares, i mean people still call ships "nano-ships" when there are almost 90% of the time they don't have nano's on them, they have polycarbs and overdrives, so are you saying that we should stop calling them nano-ships and start calling them polydrive-ships?
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Jak Fields
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Posted - 2008.01.07 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: HowlinMad Murdock
Originally by: Odium47
There is no such think as speed tank, just passive tank combined with dodging the turrets sig resolution and missiles explosive velocity !
Stop saying speed tank, 'cause it does not exists !!!
and what do you propose people call it?!
passive dodging go fast tank?! cmon man everyone already knows what it is.
sure it's not "technically" speed tanking, but who the f&*# cares, i mean people still call ships "nano-ships" when there are almost 90% of the time they don't have nano's on them, they have polycarbs and overdrives, so are you saying that we should stop calling them nano-ships and start calling them polydrive-ships?
actually... "polydrive" sounds REALLY frickin cool. I vote we start working towards making this word a common part of Eve vernacular.
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HowlinMad Murdock
Caldari
No Trademark
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Posted - 2008.01.07 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: Jak Fields
actually... "polydrive" sounds REALLY frickin cool. I vote we start working towards making this word a common part of Eve vernacular.
lol hey i'm all for that, i was just trying to make a point, good luck getting everyone to pick it up =)
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Foocurr
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Posted - 2008.01.07 23:42:00 -
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How about "Sporking".
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VB Sarge
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.01.08 00:01:00 -
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In my polydrive stiletto, I use passive turret/missile dodgeing technique and it works pretty well.
In that, polydrive works, but the rest is crap...
In my polydrive Stiletto, I speed tank pretty well, and honestly don't have a ton of SP into interceptors, just basically enough to climb into it and not be ashamed of myself.
As far as 0.0 goes, Inty's will be taken out pretty quick in a lot of situations, but are hella useful.
Here's the set up I use on my Stiletto, don't have any Claw fittings, but I haven't used an Inty with any regard of doing damage yet, just gang tackle.
Highs:
2x 150mm AC II
1x Rocket Launcher
Mids:
1x 1mn MWD II
2x Warp Disruptor II
1x Cap Booster (with 100's)
Lows:
2x Overdrive II
1x iStab II or Nanofiber II
Rigs:
2x Aux Thruster I's
You can probably use T1 warp disruptors just fine with the new interceptor bonus, but the T2 will definately push you out to your max target range and even then some.
As far as the cap booster, now that my skills are a little better cap wise, I might not need to use it. I haven't pulled it out of the hangar much since Trinity, but it uses a LOT less cap than it did before.
With the istab, I can run a slightly quicker orbit at closer ranges, but the nano will get you a bit more speed. Quoting from the last time I flew it:
istab: 5554m/sec
nano: 6200ish. Honestly I'm not sure, just know that it's noticable
I'd go with the nano these days due to the fact that I never orbit closer than 20km, thank you interceptor buff!
Aux rigs due to the fact that I was under the influence of prescription medication when I bought the ship, and they are a lot cheaper than poly's. Poly's will give you a bigger boost though.
If you are cap stable without the booster, maybe a sensor booster could fit there, giving you a tad more range and speed, so ships with a cloak wont be able to slip by you.
5500 is about where I draw the line of speed tank. Most missiles wont touch you, and neither will any gun at a 20km orbit. (unless they are a sniper 100+km away from you, then you're screwed)
You wont outrun experienced inty pilots, but you'll definately be useful as you'll be able to lock on to anything almost instantly, and gate cammping in one of these in 0.0 is pretty nice.
The guns are there for anti drone support. If anyone sends drones at you, you'll outrun them anyways, but you can take them out pretty easily with this, letting you make some sort of damage difference in the fight.
As far as skills needed, the capacitor recharge skill, get that up to 4 at the least, and anything that isn't a core skill (like mechanic, navigation, electronics, engineering, etc) get up to 4 if it effects any module on your ship. The MWD skill to 4, and Acceleration control to 4 are two key skills to have here, they will make you faster and let you use less cap. Those skills will help out any other ship you have too, so it's a good investment.
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Janus Ovellian
Minmatar
Encina Technologies
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2008.01.08 02:28:00 -
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Originally by: Jak Fields
Originally by: HowlinMad Murdock
Originally by: Odium47
There is no such think as speed tank, just passive tank combined with dodging the turrets sig resolution and missiles explosive velocity !
Stop saying speed tank, 'cause it does not exists !!!
and what do you propose people call it?!
passive dodging go fast tank?! cmon man everyone already knows what it is.
sure it's not "technically" speed tanking, but who the f&*# cares, i mean people still call ships "nano-ships" when there are almost 90% of the time they don't have nano's on them, they have polycarbs and overdrives, so are you saying that we should stop calling them nano-ships and start calling them polydrive-ships?
actually... "polydrive" sounds REALLY frickin cool. I vote we start working towards making this word a common part of Eve vernacular.
/seconded
Yay for polydrives.
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Odium47
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Posted - 2008.01.08 20:38:00 -
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"Speed tank" expression is not accurate...
There is no such thing as speed tanking...
You can call it dodging, evading, passive tanking...whatever you like, but make it characteristic, not a Harry Potter fantasmagoric bs.
Instead of nanoship, you could call it poly-ship...but i see the polydrive is more appreciated
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Ehranavaar
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Posted - 2008.01.08 21:44:00 -
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speed tanking is kinda silly notion. i mean try asking a pilot pulling mach two who stumbled into range of a goalkeeper system how much good that did him (assuming there's any talking bits left of him). i'm not saying it's not possible just that it ought to be much tougher trick to pull off. how many fighters for instance did either the russians or americans field that could speed tank the oppo? foxbats and blackbirds are about it and both were largely useless for combat in that mode.
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2008.01.08 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Ehranavaar
Inaccurate RL-based whine about nanoships
Old Mig-25s speedtank standard air-to-air missiles of today preety well. There were many instances where they were fired on by multiple fighters and have just powered away from standard air to air missiles.
I think you don't know what the hell you are talking about ;P
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Sainna
Minmatar
Siorai Iontach
Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.01.08 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Anika Mobius
Originally by: Odium47
There is no such think as speed tank, just passive tank combined with dodging the turrets sig resolution and missiles explosive velocity !
Stop saying speed tank, 'cause it does not exists !!!
I dunno. I've tanked PVE battleships in my cruiser because I can stay out of their range. That's basically tanking.
No, that is avoiding their fire. Would you walk in the center of traffic lanes facing on coming traffic or would you walk along the sidewalk to avoid the bone crushing vehicles?
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2008.01.08 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: Sainna
No, that is avoiding their fire. Would you walk in the center of traffic lanes facing on coming traffic or would you walk along the sidewalk to avoid the bone crushing vehicles?
Speed tanking in nano-HACs is *mostly* this; outranging rather then outrunning gun tracking, unless we're talking about long-range guns which have horrible tracking, or turrets one size larger.
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Karyuudo Tydraad
Caldari
Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services
The Acquisition
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Posted - 2008.01.08 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: VB Sarge
In my polydrive stiletto,
That's no polydrive stiletto. That's an auxstabfiberdrive stiletto at best.
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trixterr
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Posted - 2008.01.08 22:44:00 -
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Edited by: trixterr on 08/01/2008 22:51:55
Originally by: Ehranavaar
speed tanking is kinda silly notion. i mean try asking a pilot pulling mach two who stumbled into range of a goalkeeper system how much good that did him (assuming there's any talking bits left of him). i'm not saying it's not possible just that it ought to be much tougher trick to pull off. how many fighters for instance did either the russians or americans field that could speed tank the oppo? foxbats and blackbirds are about it and both were largely useless for combat in that mode.
rotfl
now how are you going to compare cold war planes or even modern planes to spaceships in a game.... might as well start mixing everything.
could an X-Wing Fighter outrun a Starfleet shuttle?
this is a fictional world that you can't try and compare to reality. obviously this game is going to be rediculous compared to reality because half the stuff is nowhere near possible.
and anyways it sounds like you got pwned anyways by cpt branko anyways 
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Alisraria
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Posted - 2008.01.22 22:52:00 -
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I've been trying to do research regarding "high speed maneuvering to avoid fire" in regards to gate guns and station guns and interceptors, any advice?
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Foocurr
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Posted - 2008.01.22 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Alisraria
I've been trying to do research regarding "high speed maneuvering to avoid fire" in regards to gate guns and station guns and interceptors, any advice?
You wont have much luck with gate/station sentries. You can however avoid most ship mounted guns hits by keeping you transversal high. Under overview settings, you can add "transversal velocity" to your columns.
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StateCorp
The State
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Posted - 2008.01.22 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: HowlinMad Murdock
Originally by: Odium47
There is no such think as speed tank, just passive tank combined with dodging the turrets sig resolution and missiles explosive velocity !
Stop saying speed tank, 'cause it does not exists !!!
and what do you propose people call it?!
passive dodging go fast tank?! cmon man everyone already knows what it is.
technically its kiting, but since its also called that in WoW people tend to get funny about it.
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Dors Venabily
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Posted - 2008.01.22 23:47:00 -
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Edited by: Dors Venabily on 22/01/2008 23:50:15
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Ehranavaar
Inaccurate RL-based whine about nanoships
Old Mig-25s speedtank standard air-to-air missiles of today preety well. There were many instances where they were fired on by multiple fighters and have just powered away from standard air to air missiles.
I think you don't know what the hell you are talking about ;P
Qft now you have it
that is a rl life polydrive ship
Only that its one of the biggest non bomber aircraft in air weighs a pooload and its made out of stainless steel to withstand the high temps from air friction and has one of the biggest air to air missiles for uber range and uber dmg too bad it neede half a continent to make a turn in that speed for pilot survive
nerf mig 25
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ProjectSeven
Rulers Of Mankind
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.23 03:26:00 -
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Originally by: Jak Fields
actually... "polydrive" sounds REALLY frickin cool. I vote we start working towards making this word a common part of Eve vernacular.
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