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Kattshiro
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Posted - 2012.02.09 15:41:00 -
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Why do you care so much if a game succeeds or doesnt if you dont play it?
Also aren't you the guy that lauded it before it's release, and people proclaimed that it wasn't anything new or special rather new with a star wars twist, and voice acting? You then fervently disagreed and told us how wrong we were?
Read last week that sales figures put it at 1.5 millionish. Didnt say active subs, but given that many bought the what? 200 dollar uber peuter box set, and regular 60 price tag. I dunno if i'd call that a total failure. (sales figures are reported by retailers).
http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/02/01/ea-reveals-swtor-subscription-and-sales-numbers-beats-financial/
Kinda funny that many want to see other games fail... MMO wise or we put so much stock in subscription numbers rise and fall. It's also funny that numbers are relative to the specific game so EVE = 300kish == success. (8years) (I dont disagree) AOC 150ksih a few years == total failure. Rift 500kish started out with 1 millionish == semi failure.
What would be interesting is to see how many total have subbed for eve over it's life time v. the number of subscribers now.
People make such a big deal over initial sales volume v. current subs. I would argue this is very normal as many are just trying it out or move on to other things. Much is the same of single player games or instanced MMO's (FPS) most people dont just stick around with 1 until its end of days.
Many MMO players only seem to play 1 game and one game only (I dont understand this or do this, but whatever) So their belief is because of this a game == failure.
But really what defines failure in an MMO? I'd say if it's still running and earning money even if it has a low player base. |
Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2012.02.10 17:56:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Herping yourDerp wrote:Valei Khurelem wrote:Fuee wrote:SWTOR cost 300+ million to make Are you ******* kidding me? Oh wait, must have been all those stupid cinematic videos they put up to hype everything. MMO's can take 5 years to make and go through basic testing. assuming they have 300 people working on the project getting 50k a year 300 x 50 x 5 that right there is 75million, i'm sure most people got paid more then that. i'm sure EA or lucas arts or god knows who wants a cut. advertising cost a lot servers. Oh yeah, the amount of people involved in that daft project was probably ridiculous ( and possibly a reason why it's failing ) one thing a lot of people just don't understand though is how much time you have to put into those cinematic trailers to make them look as good as they do. It honestly takes a good number of months because of all the detail, if they had spent that much time and resources working on the game it might have MIGHT have been better but unfortunately it seems these days stupid cinematic trailers lure gullible people in more than a solid product do. CCP are equally as guilty on this, I think their crucible trailer was the only honest trailer I've seen from them so far because it was just gameplay footage and nothing else.
You know companies now all (maybe not blizzard im not sure dont quote me) hire someone else to make the videos/cinematics right?
As for the they didnt do anything new argument... They never said they were going to. (Which is why the consumer does in fact need to do their own research prior to buying a product.) And im not sure every game that comes out needs to be a revolution.
I do agree 3rd person MMO's are kinda "****** out" in terms of gameplay and mechanics. But really it seems enough people dont honestly mind and are rather happy with iteration instead of revolution. Fact of the matter is revolution is a rarity.
I dont think it's a failure rather not a game made with you and I in mind. Only difference is i read previews ahead of time to know not to buy it, and didnt have the OMG STAR WARS!!! moment that clouded my judgement. However I did have that with warhammer so i'm not proclaiming im better than you or smarter...rather just had the experience sooner.
This is why im skeptical of GW2 and its promises. (Though there is no sub for it) but I expect iteration once again rather than OMG the MMO SAVIORS! |
Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2012.03.30 15:31:00 -
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Kinda obsessed? Like into the way too much zone...
According to those total population peak between all servers on any given day is nearly 300kish? Which an MMO population declining way after release is quite normal. And then leveling out.
Matter of fact most pay MMO's have seen a decline in sub numbers in the last 1-2 years. Even eve.
Could be that people are just tired of the model and gameplay. Also take into consideration of time of year v. sales, and subs.
SWOTOR anit going to be the end all be all, but only fools/fanbois thought that... Also people that didnt read the previews before its release. |
Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:46:00 -
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I never played it... I just wonder the obsession with the desire for it to "fail" or not succeed... Once again I don't care how a game I don't play success impacts me in the least bit. There's an honest curiosity on your infatuation.
Seriously I don't get it...
I don't know about the numbers, but I did read a few weeks ago released sub numbers, and profitability. Given it's a public company it would be illegal to fudge those. I mean you released the website showing the graphs of # of players on total servers per day then tell me those are inaccurate.... Well why the hell did you link them in the first place?
Could I be wrong? Absolutely! But I doubt EA would lie on a quarterly report...(illegal) and i'm only going off the numbers you yourself linked.
And I did read previews on IGN, gamespy, gamespot. That stated to the effect: "it's your standard MMO with a starwars theme. It's not bad, but it's not new."
Perhaps we read different sites, but they did have more than 1 preview on each stating as much... Which is why I never looked to buy or play it. I already have/did. |
Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:29:00 -
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You want me to link a preview that said swotor was nothing special? From a website you claim works for EA? That doesn't make your point...Rather the opposite.
Here's the gist. http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/bioware-mmo-project/index_articles.html
Some IGN linked in there as well. |
Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2012.03.30 21:01:00 -
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I said previews not reviews. Somewhere in that stack I remember various editors saying it's the same ole song and dance...just polished.
Read some of the actual content of those reviews and they same the same as well. Which is why if you listen to podcasts done by those same site the reviews say they hate scores...because people don't equate the substance with them. (They also say on the podcasts...some of which were really funny that swotor was nothing new.)
Also reviews are just opinions... not facts. They also may not experience the bugs. I know I bought a total war game and it was ****** up. The reviewers came out with a later article saying im sorry but we didn't experience those bugs. Which truth be told can happen on PC given the hardware diff.
But eh good luck to swotor rails MMO's aren't my thing. |
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