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Ryushe M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.01.07 20:55:00 - [1] Dear CCP, As a developer of several API related applications, the current state of the API and who's managing/maintaining/developing it is a reason for concern. Not just for me, but for most of the API developers out there. When Garthagk left, somehow we got wind of someone supposedly taking over his involvement with the API, if not directly developing and expanding on it, then at least maintaining it. This someone, who as far as we know goes by the name 2Kay, is invisible to us. We've posted several times in the EVE Tech Lab forum, asking for information, but no answer has been forthcoming as of yet from CCP/2Kay. See this post for instance. Of course, we're not asking for anything major here, we're just asking for a clarification on the current status of the API. We're concerned that this wonderful API you've given us will stop maturing alongside the new stuff that EVE is offering/will offer in the future. There's issues with the killmail API for instance, or the weird and unannounced 'regular' API downtime issue, as well as several other issues where a simple answer like "This is intended." or "We'll look into it." will be more than enough to give us a sense we're not left in the cold. For those of you that have no idea what we're talking about here a simple example. The API can be used for instance to automatically grab all kills and losses per corporation. Importing this data into killboards automatically will make killboards a LOT more accurate, eliminating stuff like people posting dummy kills, or changing existing ones, or simply not posting losses at all. Now with the current issue with the losses in the killmail API, it's pretty hard to build/develop such a system for all to use. This specific API was meant for exactly this purpose but at current it's unable to perform in this role, and as such we now have to copy-paste not simple evemails with the kill or loss, but go into your Character info, go to the kills section, and copy it from there (ie. more steps needed). More steps needed means people will be more lazy about it, thus resulting in inaccurate killboards. So CCP, as stated in the thread in the EVE Tech Lab section, a simple hello would be enough for us at this point to alleviate our fear of being left in the dark about the state of the (once again) wonderful tool you've given us to play around with. Regards, Ryushe ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Character Showroom Forum Thread
Ix Forres Vanguard Frontiers Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.01.07 21:26:00 - [2] /signed What else is there to say? Excellent summary. Blog
Salvis Tallan Gallente The Shadow Order SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.07 21:26:00 - [3] There are also people who bugreport issues with the API only to get the reponse along the lines of, 'we are not responsible for fixing that'. Would be nice to get that cleared up too. ------
Gordon McKnight Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.01.07 21:34:00 - [4] Agreed.
Chruker	Posted - 2008.01.07 21:49:00 - [5] I fully endorse this thread ----- http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online ----- Top wishes: - No daily downtime - Faster training on sisi - Speedup IGB table rendering
Rilcon Vanguard Frontiers Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.01.08 00:16:00 - [6] /signed API is awesome, don't let it just die :-/
DeTox MinRohim Madhatters Inc. Enuma Elish.	Posted - 2008.01.08 06:29:00 - [7] /signed On the sidenote, putting the bug reporting, discussions, etc on the standard "File a bug report" thing killed the momentum Gargath added to the project by showing himself in another form than just a "We'll investigate" auto-click button. Would be nice to have the API responsible back in the open. The "File a bug report" is not going to make this work. ------ This sig space is Read-only ! omgalink - Online Skillsheet
Kazuma Saruwatari	Posted - 2008.01.08 06:59:00 - [8] /signed. - Odd Pod Out, a blog of EVE Online
Eval B'Stard Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.01.08 07:01:00 - [9] I still say FIX the GAME then worry about the fluff !!! ------------------------------------------- When we gonna see the 40km and 80km tractor beams ?
Captain Thunk Captain Morgan Society	Posted - 2008.01.08 07:16:00 - [10] The API now returns loss mails. There are still outstanding bugs though - for example Alliance names sometimes returns the call not the result - this can dealt with by loading the Alliance API and comparing the alliance ID with the alliance name from there - although this obviously isn't ideal. Also for some reason the first attackers security status is given as 0 no matter what it actually is, though I doubt this matters much for killboards as few actually record it. But this is what the OP means I guess, no mention was ever made that the lossmails are now returning, it just happened one day Thunk!

Jarnau Gurgeh	Posted - 2008.01.08 15:28:00 - [11] Originally by: Ryushe : This someone, who as far as we know goes by the name 2Kay, is invisible to us. We've posted several times in the EVE Tech Lab forum, asking for information, but no answer has been forthcoming as of yet from CCP/2Kay. See this post for instance. : /signed offline since 2 month? ___ Maybe CCP/2Kay is not working for CCP anymore ;-)
DeTox MinRohim Madhatters Inc. Enuma Elish.	Posted - 2008.01.08 15:59:00 - [12] Originally by: Captain Thunk The API now returns loss mails. There are still outstanding bugs though - for example Alliance names sometimes returns the call not the result - this can dealt with by loading the Alliance API and comparing the alliance ID with the alliance name from there - although this obviously isn't ideal. Also for some reason the first attackers security status is given as 0 no matter what it actually is, though I doubt this matters much for killboards as few actually record it. But this is what the OP means I guess, no mention was ever made that the lossmails are now returning, it just happened one day Thunk! I still don't have the losses... Make sure that what you see is not friendly fire as those are showing in the kills. (Member asking for a podkill for example). ------ This sig space is Read-only ! omgalink - Online Skillsheet
Ryushe M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.01.08 21:23:00 - [13] I think the lack of CCP response so far is telling in and by itself. Guess we'll just have to continue onwards with what we have then, although I suspect this'll make the possible future list of applications that actually make innovative use of the API somewhat smaller ... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Character Showroom Forum Thread
Dagejoor Caldari OcUK Overclockers Podpilot Services	Posted - 2008.01.08 23:23:00 - [14] Originally by: Ryushe I think the lack of CCP response so far is telling in and by itself. Guess we'll just have to continue onwards with what we have then, although I suspect this'll make the possible future list of applications that actually make innovative use of the API somewhat smaller ... Zero is defiantly a very small number ---------- OcUK - Corp Recruitment Officer
Will Hunter GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.09 00:03:00 - [15] posting in suport of the op
Sevarus James Minmatar Meridian Dynamics	Posted - 2008.01.09 01:59:00 - [16] On behalf of Meridian's Webdev crew...........SIGNED. Ubuntu 3d Beryl-Linux Desktop+EVE
DeTox MinRohim Madhatters Inc. Enuma Elish.	Posted - 2008.01.09 07:56:00 - [17] Keeping this on the first page until I'm banned for doing it. Gargath work deserves at least an answer. /Signed... again. ------ This sig space is Read-only ! omgalink - Online Skillsheet
Eternal Hatred Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2008.01.09 08:04:00 - [18] Duh, your stupid Ryushe. CCP hired guy to do simple API to get your whinage down and then kicked him because he fulfilled his role. They won't start updating or fixing it any time near future. Accept that it's decaying corpse that still feels warm while you bang it. Soon it will fade away and rot but that problem is still to come. Enjoy your luke warm body! __________________________________________ I'm a well known whorum warriors alt and my lucky number is 283486. It's great being an Amarr
DeTox MinRohim Madhatters Inc. Enuma Elish.	Posted - 2008.01.09 08:09:00 - [19] Edited by: DeTox MinRohim on 09/01/2008 08:10:09 Originally by: Eternal Hatred Stupid stuff Trolling much? Come back when you'll have a clue... ktksbye. ------ This sig space is Read-only ! omgalink - Online Skillsheet
Fuzzel Squeek U.N.F.I.X.	Posted - 2008.01.09 11:58:00 - [20] /signed For corporation management, and especially for the people who sometimes (like 40h++) have to work having an API is very important to be able to keep up with this game and be able to work and get food on the table ;)

Hagen Stein Biotronics Inc. Alternative Realities	Posted - 2008.01.09 14:01:00 - [21] /signed For a start, a short "Hello, I'm the new API guy, I'll need <time span> to look into this project, before I can start answering your questions/fixing bugs." would be enough for as all, I guess.
Gone'Postal Minmatar Vengeance 8 Interceptors	Posted - 2008.01.09 14:04:00 - [22] Signed as well, API has a very nice future.. Please keep up the development. CCP: Were like a clock upon a wall, Always moving but never going anywhere.
Jameroz Art of War	Posted - 2008.01.09 14:18:00 - [23] /signed Transparency is required in this project due to the nature of it.
Ryushe M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.01.10 06:39:00 - [24] Originally by: Eternal Hatred Duh, your stupid Ryushe. CCP hired guy to do simple API to get your whinage down and then kicked him because he fulfilled his role. They won't start updating or fixing it any time near future. Accept that it's decaying corpse that still feels warm while you bang it. Soon it will fade away and rot but that problem is still to come. Enjoy your luke warm body! I can sort of see the satirical side to your post, or so I hope. If you weren't trying to be satirical, by all means, troll away. It'll only mean that when the API breaks one day, some of the things being developed today and being heavily relied on tomorrow by corporations and alliances will no longer work. Example: the excellent real time sovereignty maps/lists application that is quite the impressive piece of work and also very handy to have as a resource would stop functioning, due to the tool using data supplied directly by the API. To CCP, I know some of the guys in the office there have already noticed and read this thread. Please don't just let this concerned thread die off by not replying and hoping that by not doing so it'll just go away by itself. The API is a way too valuable tool for that, and by providing it in the first place you have raised the bar for every other MMO publisher/developer out there in my opinion in terms of helping out the community making this game that much better. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Character Showroom Forum Thread
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2008.01.10 07:05:00 - [25] Originally by: Ryushe I can sort of see the satirical side to your post, or so I hope. If you weren't trying to be satirical, by all means, troll away. You can only just kind of see the satirical side of his post? really? only just? - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Eternal Hatred Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2008.01.10 07:40:00 - [26] Originally by: Frug Originally by: Ryushe I can sort of see the satirical side to your post, or so I hope. If you weren't trying to be satirical, by all means, troll away. You can only just kind of see the satirical side of his post? really? only just? What I tried to say is that CCP hired person to do a job and once that job was working "so-so" and perhaps by lowest minimal features, they kicked him out. This is normal company political decicions. Hire someone to do specific job and then get rid of him. Until API breaks down or you *** enought for new features, API will not progress. [center]__________________________________________ I'm a well known whorum warriors alt and current number of people in Jita is 468249** [gold]It's great being an Amarr
Ryushe M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.01.10 20:35:00 - [27] Originally by: Eternal Hatred What I tried to say is that CCP hired person to do a job and once that job was working "so-so" and perhaps by lowest minimal features, they kicked him out. This is normal company political decicions. Hire someone to do specific job and then get rid of him. Don't think it went that way, from what I understood Garthagk basically left CCP himself, but then again, that's besides the point here. Originally by: Eternal Hatred Until API breaks down or you *** enought for new features, API will not progress. And that's just plain wrong. We shouldn't need (nor do I want to) *** about new features. All I/we would like to see at this point is just for someone from CCP to step forward and acknowledge the API exists and that there will be someone (2Kay?) that will at least be maintaining it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Character Showroom Forum Thread

CCP kieron	Posted - 2008.01.10 20:46:00 - [28] I've contacted staff about the API situation and am waiting for a response that should be forthcoming soon.

An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.10 20:55:00 - [29] Well, thank you Kieron. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Gondus Gallente Delian League Dread Sovereign	Posted - 2008.01.10 21:57:00 - [30] I wont live without my eve programs....slowly....die..ing...ahhhh



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