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Felix MontVolant	Posted - 2008.01.07 22:23:00 - [1] After killing Serpentis pirates and EoM fiends for 8 days straight, I get my dream ship outfitted and warp 1/2 way across the universe to explore interesting low-sec regions. 2 jumps into my chosen region I get blasted by a couple of astro-jerks gate camping. Now, I've come to terms with my loss and NOOB-ility, and I have myself some kill-rights to exercise, but I don't know how to find the guy! I know where his corp HQ is located. Should I just go hang around that system and hope for the best, or is there a way to pinpoint his location and hunt him down like the dog he is? Thanks for the help.
Cyfu Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.07 22:29:00 - [2] Before you go down the warpath, skill train and get yourself some gear to exact revenge with. Or join a rival corporation and I strongly urge you to stay out of low security until you can defend yourself or have a security detail to accompany you.
Helen Hunts Gallente Red Dragon Mining inc Red Dragon Industries	Posted - 2008.01.07 22:33:00 - [3] You're still new. If you hang out in low-sec for any time, you'll end up accumulating a few more kill rights on some more folk. Also, those 'astro-jerks' are very well versed in taking out other people's ships. Think about that a bit. Kill rights only mean that CONCORD will not intervene if you attack and blow up his ship. Once. Attacking these guys again will likely end up in you collecting the insurance on your new ship. As for locating him directly, there are 'Locator' agents here and there that can help narrow down what system he's in (provided he's even online). EVE-Agents can let you search for such a locator agent. _______________________________ Mine da rocks, make more ships. Pop da rats, make more rigs. Sell da gear, make more money. Any Questions?
pandymen Caldari The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.01.08 00:12:00 - [4] I do have 1 question though. What is this guy's sec status? If it is really low and he can never enter hi-sec, it is very difficult to catch him off guard. If he has -5.0 or below sec status, he'll be stuck in lowsec only, which means he won't ever be afk outside a station...he'll always be wary of who's in system with him. If he is above -5...he probably goes to hisec on occasion. In which case, use the locator on him occasionally and try to get him when he's afk. When I started and hunted down a guy who jumped me, I found him afk outside jita. Needless to say, his extra SP and bigger ship didn't do much good when he was afk and his tank wasn't on. Granted, there is no honor in that, but who cares...you cost him some isk and got some back.
Wolf Koch	Posted - 2008.01.08 00:28:00 - [5] Is there a notification for the other person if you add them to the Buddy list? Or does the Buddy list work only if both players have added each other to it? ______________________ I flee from pirates in shuttles.
Ozzie Asrail Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.01.08 00:29:00 - [6] buddy list works fine for any player, can see them login and off. -----
Marahk T'or Hand Of Muritor	Posted - 2008.01.08 00:33:00 - [7] Originally by: Wolf Koch Is there a notification for the other person if you add them to the Buddy list? The other pilot gets no notification, if added to a buddy-list. _______ The fire burns bright!
ZerKar Caldari Zen'Tar	Posted - 2008.01.08 07:22:00 - [8] You can camp his HQ and look around that area you may well find him. You may also use a high level Locator Agent when he is online to find him...But...Um...If he killed you once what makes you think you are going to take him out now? Did you do the right thing and get friends to join in the manhunt? +++++++++++++++ I saw the Sign...! O.o
Tzar'rim Minmatar Reckless Corsairs	Posted - 2008.01.08 07:25:00 - [9] If you want to get even with the person that did this to you, grab a mirror. You went into hostile space, unprepared, unknown of the rules and tricks and then when things go wrong (was just a matter of time) you poitn at anyone but yourself and start frothing at the mouth. Sorry to be harsh but the only one to blame is you, you got killed because you didn't put in effort NOT to get killed.
Shanur Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.01.08 08:28:00 - [10] In short, forget about getting even solo. Those astro jerks tend to be stingy in giving up the advantage their numbers give them. Instead, look into joining a corp in the region theirs operates that specializes in anti piracy. Odds are you'll run into them sooner or later then while having a big campbreaking patrol backing you up. Then it's "hail to the king, baby!" time .
Midas Man	Posted - 2008.01.08 11:36:00 - [11] Originally by: Tzar'rim If you want to get even with the person that did this to you, grab a mirror. You went into hostile space, unprepared, unknown of the rules and tricks and then when things go wrong (was just a matter of time) you poitn at anyone but yourself and start frothing at the mouth. Sorry to be harsh but the only one to blame is you, you got killed because you didn't put in effort NOT to get killed. ERM try to read the post before abusing the poor guy, If you reread it he is very aware of his mistakes in going to Low sec, His post was about Getting even with the guy, Not to complain about the fact he got Blasted.
Tzar'rim Minmatar Reckless Corsairs	Posted - 2008.01.08 12:05:00 - [12] The whole idea of 'getting even' if the notion that somehow you were done wrong. as said, if he wants to get even, he has to start getting even with himself. All he does now is focus his effort on the wrong person.
Midas Man	Posted - 2008.01.08 13:11:00 - [13] If that be the case please can you explain why he has been granted a kill right. Surely if it is acceptable for a pirate to kill anyone in Low Sec, then it is acceptable for those people to retaliate. Everyone is entitled to revenge weather they were killed by there own ignorance/lack of knowledge. If I saw a -5 or below security status dude in High Sec and opened fire and killed him I wouldn't begrudge him hunting me down and killing me in low sec. And i certainly would not Flame him for effort because I believe he has every right to. That just IMO, if it the OP's fault why didn't CCP grant Kill rights to the OP against the OP. Maybe you should petition it and see what there responce is, but I assume it would be along the lines of "This is intended game mechanics"
Midas Man	Posted - 2008.01.08 13:13:00 - [14] Apologies for going slightly off Topic, but to bring it back on Topic, you could try recruiting Help from any number of AntiPirate Corps I'm sure they would love to help in your Quest for Revenge
Tzar'rim Minmatar Reckless Corsairs	Posted - 2008.01.08 13:17:00 - [15] Edited by: Tzar''rim on 08/01/2008 13:19:28 The fact that you CAN do something doesn't automatically mean it's a smart thing to do so. What if you were stupid enough to go into a ghetto at 2am in the morning, and some guy who's much bigger, stronger than you punches you in the nose. Also it's HIS neighbourhood, he has friends there and he knows all the tricks in fighting while you don't even have a clue on how to break a match stick. How smart would it be of you to get all ****ed at the guy frothing at the mouth trying to get revenge by going BACK into his teritory, where he has friends while you STILL don't have a clue on how to handle yourself. Indeed, it would be rather stupid. If you want to get even then put the anger on hold, learn, train, learn some more, get experience and train up some more. And perhaps one day, when you know what you're doing and you meet him while the odds seem to be in your favor, THEN you retaliate. Anything else is just dumb behaviour.
Midas Man	Posted - 2008.01.08 13:31:00 - [16] That is a more reasonable post. Using your example. What if you were rightly P***ed off with the big bully boy and thought I know I will go back to my Neighbourhood, enlist help from some Matial Arts Experts and go back and wipe the floor with him and his fellow bully boys. Now reread the OP or just the title of the post. I'm sure unless I am mistaken the guy is trying to get revenge. OP trains for a year and feels strong enough to get revenge. except the pirate has also had a year to train to become stronger thats assuming the pirate is still playing eve and if he is not then the chance of getting revenge has just become impossible. To the OP, Ignore the comments of this Pirate, Like all pirates he beleive because CCP allow Piracy that he can spoil the game for any new player without fear of retaliation. And when someone like yourself feels that revenge would be sweet, has to Flame you and try to put you off the idea as he is scared of what help you may enlist. Like all pirates when you even the fight up will run and hide in a station and play with there alt for a while till you get bored. Some Pirates they dont even desearve the name they try to use for themselves. Go watch some Pirate movies or read some Pirate books, Im sure pirates are ment to use guile, stealth and intellegence to gain advantage not Overwhelming numbers or to only fight those that are unmatched to fight back.
paleiades	Posted - 2008.01.08 13:34:00 - [17] it is said that revenge is a dish best served COLD.
Tzar'rim Minmatar Reckless Corsairs	Posted - 2008.01.08 14:37:00 - [18] Edited by: Tzar''rim on 08/01/2008 14:38:08 Originally by: Midas Man That is a more reasonable post. Using your example. What if you were rightly P***ed off with the big bully boy and thought I know I will go back to my Neighbourhood, enlist help from some Matial Arts Experts and go back and wipe the floor with him and his fellow bully boys. Now reread the OP or just the title of the post. I'm sure unless I am mistaken the guy is trying to get revenge. OP trains for a year and feels strong enough to get revenge. except the pirate has also had a year to train to become stronger thats assuming the pirate is still playing eve and if he is not then the chance of getting revenge has just become impossible. To the OP, Ignore the comments of this Pirate, Like all pirates he beleive because CCP allow Piracy that he can spoil the game for any new player without fear of retaliation. And when someone like yourself feels that revenge would be sweet, has to Flame you and try to put you off the idea as he is scared of what help you may enlist. Like all pirates when you even the fight up will run and hide in a station and play with there alt for a while till you get bored. Some Pirates they dont even desearve the name they try to use for themselves. Go watch some Pirate movies or read some Pirate books, Im sure pirates are ment to use guile, stealth and intellegence to gain advantage not Overwhelming numbers or to only fight those that are unmatched to fight back. I think you kinda misunderstood it all. EVE is a harsh game, it's not a pleasant happyhappy game. Making mistakes in EVE HURTS. OP comes to the forums for help on something that simply won't work, in fact all that will happen is that it detracts his focus from what he SHOULD be doing. I simply relay the rules of EVE... replying as EVE would, and since EVE is a harsh environtment, my replies won't be comforting. As to your other speculations and generalisations, I just have to laugh at that. Things are never black or white, they're mostly grey. But you're entitled to your thoughts ofcourse.
Tzar'rim Minmatar Reckless Corsairs	Posted - 2008.01.08 14:39:00 - [19] Originally by: paleiades it is said that revenge is a dish best served COLD. QFT
Felix MontVolant	Posted - 2008.01.08 14:42:00 - [20] Thanks for the info re: locator agents. That's exactly what I was looking for! Tzar'rim: Yep, I was stupid for going into low-sec space in a ship that I was unfamiliar with and no friends, but someone has to keep those guys at the insurance company in business right?
Tzar'rim Minmatar Reckless Corsairs	Posted - 2008.01.08 14:51:00 - [21] Originally by: Felix MontVolant Thanks for the info re: locator agents. That's exactly what I was looking for! Tzar'rim: Yep, I was stupid for going into low-sec space in a ship that I was unfamiliar with and no friends, but someone has to keep those guys at the insurance company in business right? Just remember not to actually go to the locating the locator gives you, unless you've got a lot of friends who actually know what they're doing (tip; most don't).
Ard UnjiiGo The Bastards	Posted - 2008.01.08 14:57:00 - [22] Felix, Taza'rim has nailed it quite well. It's not that you need to blame yourself for the loss but asking yourself how the loss could have been avoided and assuming a large degree of responsibility for your own growth as a player will increase your chances of success in low sec immeasurably. I'd go even further to say that these guys did you a favor . You hopefully learned something about taking very expensive ships (relative to your net worth) into low sec w/o taking some appropriate precautions. You seem to also be thinking about carrying the fight into low sec. Keep that attitude. As others have said, you may not be equiped to "pay them back" just yet, however the fire you have to engage them is a good thing imo for having fun in EVE. You also learned just how harsh EVE can be. So you learned some very important things at an early account age and at minimal cost compared to if you had waited until you were bringing that Navy Mega down here w/o a clue. These guys helped wake you up much earlier then many folks who hug high-sec get and prodded your desire to learn, grow and to fight. Send them a thank you mail.
Felix MontVolant	Posted - 2008.01.08 15:02:00 - [23] As much at the time I was angry for getting pod-killed, etc. it IS pretty fun to have this driving force behind my character now... and though it may take long, I look forward to the day when I warp in, shouting "My name is Felix MontVolant. You destroyed my 1st Celestis.. prepare to pod-die!"
Ard UnjiiGo The Bastards	Posted - 2008.01.08 15:07:00 - [24] Originally by: Felix MontVolant ... and though it may take long, I look forward to the day when I warp in, shouting "My name is Felix MontVolant. You destroyed my 1st Celestis.. prepare to pod-die!" LMAO - That's the spirit. Hold onto it and don't be too afraid to lose ships and pods and you will have a blast here. Safe Travels.
Tzar'rim Minmatar Reckless Corsairs	Posted - 2008.01.08 15:11:00 - [25] Originally by: Felix MontVolant As much at the time I was angry for getting pod-killed, etc. it IS pretty fun to have this driving force behind my character now... and though it may take long, I look forward to the day when I warp in, shouting "My name is Felix MontVolant. You destroyed my 1st Celestis.. prepare to pod-die!" \o/ THAT's how to do it. Now, learn and educate yourself as much/fast as possible on the game, the mechanics and whatnot, make some friends who can help you get forward and you'll find that success isn't directly related to skillpoints, but in fact to effort and understanding. Welcome to EVE, may you lose many ships and sink even more.
Midas Man	Posted - 2008.01.08 15:23:00 - [26] Originally by: Tzar'rim Edited by: Tzar''rim on 08/01/2008 14:38:08 I think you kinda misunderstood it all. EVE is a harsh game, it's not a pleasant happyhappy game. Making mistakes in EVE HURTS. OP comes to the forums for help on something that simply won't work, in fact all that will happen is that it detracts his focus from what he SHOULD be doing. I simply relay the rules of EVE... replying as EVE would, and since EVE is a harsh environtment, my replies won't be comforting. As to your other speculations and generalisations, I just have to laugh at that. Things are never black or white, they're mostly grey. But you're entitled to your thoughts ofcourse. Not Misunderstood at all. And your quite right Eve is a Harsh Place, So why shouldn't it be harsh for pirates too. Bear in mind this is a game - from the comments the OP has made I feel he wants revenge (If that how he wants to play who are you to talk him out of it) He never once stated "I Will go and get revenge on this pirate alone" i'm sure he is intellegent enougth to realise that isn't the way to do things. What he is doing Is trying to get help to administer that revenge It would be more posative to him and his future career to allow him to play the game the way he wants to not how you beleive he should. Who is to say he wasn't podded by a noob and his noob mate less than 1 month old still learning the ropes of piracy in which case he maybe well equipped already to go solo and take them out if he finds them alone. For the greater good of Eve we need to encourage all players to play how they want so they don't get bored of playing "your" way and leave because they feel "trapped" in a game they cannot play the way they would like to. I'm sure if he wanted to Handheld and told what to do he wouldn't be here and would probably be playing WOW. Again IMO
Tzar'rim Minmatar Reckless Corsairs	Posted - 2008.01.08 15:26:00 - [27] Edited by: Tzar''rim on 08/01/2008 15:27:18 Originally by: Midas Man Originally by: Tzar'rim Edited by: Tzar''rim on 08/01/2008 14:38:08 I think you kinda misunderstood it all. EVE is a harsh game, it's not a pleasant happyhappy game. Making mistakes in EVE HURTS. OP comes to the forums for help on something that simply won't work, in fact all that will happen is that it detracts his focus from what he SHOULD be doing. I simply relay the rules of EVE... replying as EVE would, and since EVE is a harsh environtment, my replies won't be comforting. As to your other speculations and generalisations, I just have to laugh at that. Things are never black or white, they're mostly grey. But you're entitled to your thoughts ofcourse. Not Misunderstood at all. And your quite right Eve is a Harsh Place, So why shouldn't it be harsh for pirates too. Bear in mind this is a game - from the comments the OP has made I feel he wants revenge (If that how he wants to play who are you to talk him out of it) He never once stated "I Will go and get revenge on this pirate alone" i'm sure he is intellegent enougth to realise that isn't the way to do things. What he is doing Is trying to get help to administer that revenge It would be more posative to him and his future career to allow him to play the game the way he wants to not how you beleive he should. Who is to say he wasn't podded by a noob and his noob mate less than 1 month old still learning the ropes of piracy in which case he maybe well equipped already to go solo and take them out if he finds them alone. For the greater good of Eve we need to encourage all players to play how they want so they don't get bored of playing "your" way and leave because they feel "trapped" in a game they cannot play the way they would like to. I'm sure if he wanted to Handheld and told what to do he wouldn't be here and would probably be playing WOW. Again IMO You still have not understood it (and EVE) at all, you think in terms of 'us' and 'them'. Also, if someone asks how to find someone in EVE normally you'd expect him to actually use that info, but lets let it rest. Funnily enough the OP is much more attuned to EVE than you it seems.
Midas Man	Posted - 2008.01.08 15:32:00 - [28] Yes lets let it rest. But he also seem more attuned than you as he is willing to follow his own goals and not be dictated to on the way he should play after all this is a game not a jail sentance.
Tzar'rim Minmatar Reckless Corsairs	Posted - 2008.01.08 15:41:00 - [29] Edited by: Tzar''rim on 08/01/2008 15:41:52 Originally by: Midas Man Yes lets let it rest. But he also seem more attuned than you as he is willing to follow his own goals and not be dictated to on the way he should play after all this is a game not a jail sentance. Good god, you still don't understand at all. lets look at it this way; OP; Hi, I went to the zoo and stepped too close to the lions cage and he tried to swipe at me. Is there any way I can get into his cage to give him a proper beating? me; Uhm, you really shouldn't go into his cage mate, lions do kinda hurt a lot and you're not prepared to counter him or even hurt him in any way. all that will happen is you getting badly injured, if not worse. midas man; TZAR STOP TELLING HIM WHAT HE CAN'T DO, YOU'RE JUST SCARED!!!!! IF HE WANTS TO RUN INTO THE CAGE IT'S HIS RIGHT AND DON'T YOU DARE TELLING HIM OFF!!!!!oneleven. me; erm no, I'm just explaining what will happen if he tries to do as he stated. I'm not the one who will bite off his head and chew on his leg, I'm just stating what in REALITY will happen. OP; Ok, I'll just try and prepare myself a bit better, thanks a lot guys. Me; cool mate, just be careful and make sure you know what you're doing midas man; TZAR STOP TELLING HIM WHAT TO DO!!!!oneleven Did I miss anything? Do you see a trend there?
Midas Man	Posted - 2008.01.08 16:38:00 - [30] LOLZ hehe you have a warped imagination. oh wait no you haven't I just remembered a quote CCP "There are some charactors we have locked in a cage. Under no circumstance should any new player go into the cage. The cage is off limits to all but a select few. These select few can tell any new player to go nowhere near there cage and they should stay in High Sec forever because they will never be equal to Lions in the cage in terms of both skill points and playing skill. Any Player that ventures into Low Sec and tries to retaliate to a previous kill shall have there account Banned as this game has no element of PvP. All new players should realise they are cannon fodder for Older Players and should leave them be forever and should under no circumstances attack someone who has killed them in Low Sec. They should train and train untill such a time they realise they will never catch the older player, in terms of SP total or there Skill as a pilot due to playing the game for less time, At which point the said new player should quit the game and never come back. Any older player found trying to get new players to play the way they want should also be Banned as it will mak it harder for the Lions" I'm sure CCP didn't quote that or anything along those lines but it seems to me this is what you believe. CCP do give a warning when entering Low Sec but i don't recall it say anything about never trying to fight back.

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