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kith101	Posted - 2008.01.08 05:06:00 - [1] I've been playing Eve for a few years now. Enjoyed it made, made some friends, had fun. The last 6 months I've seen many of my buds leave Eve due to nerfing. Why do you do this? 1 example you train for a cap ship based on it's ability and after a year or so of training you become good at it's use. CCP "bring on the nerf". This is a huge buzz kill. Stop it. Just stop. Get it right or find a solution that does not change the game play for the toons that spend month after month grinding skills to get the ship they want only to have it change, and change big. Find a way to balance the play another way. My personal gripe is the cap ships but I bet other can chime in: Concerned Eve citizen.
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.01.08 05:22:00 - [2] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 08/01/2008 05:24:29 I thought carriers and moms never got that fighter nerf? I thought triage modules were getting a boost. I thought Titans were getting a boost? I thought they introduced jump freighters as a replacement to logistics carriers?
kith101	Posted - 2008.01.08 05:30:00 - [3] Perhaps I should have posted specific issues (that would be more helpful). I just lost 2 of my long term Eve buds. I'm more concerned about the sweeping changes to ships that happen. Is there not a better way to find fixes for this? I do understand game play must stay balanced. What about a player panel? I know the devs look at the forums for ideas but I'm thinking a more structured and last say type idea. Hmmmm perhaps a sort of "fair and equitable" commitee that makes decisions with the devs?
Vaal Erit	Posted - 2008.01.08 05:50:00 - [4] If your friends quit because of a few balance changes then your friends are lame and you need to drop them and get better friends.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.08 06:13:00 - [5] Open letter to kith101: Can I have your stuff? Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
tiewan	Posted - 2008.01.08 07:50:00 - [6] Toons?
Shenko Minara	Posted - 2008.01.08 08:39:00 - [7] 'toons' hahaha -- 99% of Eve-o posters should stop posting. This probably includes me, but definitely includes you.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.01.08 08:52:00 - [8] Edited by: Venkul Mul on 08/01/2008 08:53:01 Sorry for the loss of your friends, but "This ship is my life in EVE, I will use no other" is a bit narrow as focus, especially in a game like EVE. It seem probable that they had already exausted the fun they could find in EVE and quitted for that, the change in carrier and motherships hauling use,the changes in the drone use and the torpedos change hardly justify leaving the game.
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation	Posted - 2008.01.08 08:59:00 - [9] The nerfs are introduced because the devs have identified a problem with the game. What the OP is suggesting is that instead of fixing the problem the devs should leave the game alone cause in the process of fixing the problem players are going to get ****ed off and leave. This just seems illogical to me. And just sounds like a "don't nerf my overpowered ship" whine to me.
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.08 09:09:00 - [10] There are 2 major problem involved here. 1. PPL cry cry cry when something is not in easy mode, wanting for somebody else to fix it for them. 2: BIGGER PROBLEM is CCP's FAULT. They dont wanna lose time with THINKING ABOUT IMPLEMENTING LONG ENOUGH TO BE QUALITY PRODUCT IN THE END. They just want to introduce new stuff every month or 2, trying to make them self look CREATIVE (yeah right), not carrying what they realy provide (litte harsh but true in the end) me, myself and I ------>
WA Dragon	Posted - 2008.01.08 09:19:00 - [11] I think the point here is not about players leving eve for stupid reasons, but players getting sick of a constantly and some times needless changing to the game. These can some time ruin the fun of a small minority of players. These constant changes to the game don't affect every one but the few they do affect, rightly get anoyed some times to the extent of actualy throw the game. As usual I see the eve junmkies flaming any one who has a constructive point about the general eve game play. I would suggest, if you have nothing to add to the point being debaited you be quiet, to the can I have your stuff monkeys , I say please give it a rest will you. Who knows some thing might actualy be done about this subject if you guys just give it a rest for oance and stop spamming up the forum with worthless derogatory comment and focus on the point being made. Further more I suggest any one saying can I have your stuff from hence forth be banned from the forum for spamming withless rubbish.
Niobius Julius Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.08 09:24:00 - [12] Well I can understand this. When you make your research and decide to train for some particular ship, which is in another race for example, you spend like half a year getting your ship skill and support skills up and just by when you can properly fly it, you find that devs suddenly announced this ship is going to be nerfed. That's a bit upsetting at least, right? In the meantime I understand the balancing concept and that nerfs and boosts will go on. But maybe it would be helpful to get such info like 3 or 4 months before? If thats realistic lol
Poister Amarr THEM. Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2008.01.08 09:55:00 - [13] To the OP. I must agree, If A has slightly more power than B ....... then boost B to balance it! I have countless wasted skill tree isk sinks than I could posably mention. The Adapt, cross train, nerf cycle is becoming tiedius at best. How about a nice BoostBat instead of that oversung NerfBat, Bring on the Ommph!
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.08 09:58:00 - [14] 1) show ticker/use main 2) type with more sense 3) be nice 4) dont whine 5) can i have your stuff? that should give you a better chance at being heard Originally by: ISD Cortes You're at liberty to use the rolling sig you had, as long as there's no chimeras covering the nether regions of voluptuous females.
xttz GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.08 10:04:00 - [15] Originally by: Banana Torres The nerfs are introduced because the devs have identified a problem with the game. What the OP is suggesting is that instead of fixing the problem the devs should leave the game alone cause in the process of fixing the problem players are going to get ****ed off and leave. The op is suggesting that the devs should consider nerfs more carefully, rather than the current situation where a nerf is made, then its impacts are addressed in a following patch several weeks or months later. Motherships and carriers are a great example of this. Many players had these ships for logistics purposes, but instead of making an gradual transition from them to the new jump freighters and buffed Rorquals, we had a sharp and sudden switch with little time for corps to make contingency plans for their logistics. Jump freighters took over a month to hit the market, therefore failing to plug the artificial logistics hole the ship bay nerf created. It would have been much wiser to allow jump freighter production in advance of carrier changes to give the market time to prepare. In a related note, motherships were suddenly left with no real role, resulting in the current abundance of them in sell threads. This impact should have been considered rather than relgated to a 'boost patch' X months later, during which time MS pilots were stuck in restrictive and greatly devalued ships.
Fifth Horseman	Posted - 2008.01.08 10:08:00 - [16] My mate quit eve because of the bugs. He rejected CCP ineptitude, it was CCP attitutde that cofirmed he made the right decision. I got his stuff.
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.08 10:48:00 - [17] @the OP:That's not a letter it's a paragraph. Try harder -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation	Posted - 2008.01.08 11:01:00 - [18] Originally by: xttz Originally by: Banana Torres The nerfs are introduced because the devs have identified a problem with the game. What the OP is suggesting is that instead of fixing the problem the devs should leave the game alone cause in the process of fixing the problem players are going to get ****ed off and leave. The op is suggesting that the devs should consider nerfs more carefully, rather than the current situation where a nerf is made, then its impacts are addressed in a following patch several weeks or months later. That is not what the OP is saying, if it was I would not have had any problem with his post. Instead he said that cause cap ships were nerfed his friends left and that CCP must find a way of balancing the game without nerfing.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.08 11:15:00 - [19] Originally by: Banana Torres CCP must find a way of balancing the game without nerfing. Balancing without nerfing = boosting. Originally by: ISD Cortes You're at liberty to use the rolling sig you had, as long as there's no chimeras covering the nether regions of voluptuous females.
Rashmika Clavain Gallente Revelation Space	Posted - 2008.01.08 11:28:00 - [20] EVE has to change... it needs to evolve and adapt or it will die. I'd rather lose a couple of players along the way than lose EVE.
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation	Posted - 2008.01.08 11:28:00 - [21] Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: Banana Torres CCP must find a way of balancing the game without nerfing. Balancing without nerfing = boosting. Not everything that can be nerfed has something that can be boosted instead.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.08 11:33:00 - [22] Originally by: Banana Torres Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: Banana Torres CCP must find a way of balancing the game without nerfing. Balancing without nerfing = boosting. Not everything that can be nerfed has something that can be boosted instead. Then what do you propose ccp uses to make any changes at all? Originally by: ISD Cortes You're at liberty to use the rolling sig you had, as long as there's no chimeras covering the nether regions of voluptuous females.
Mark Lucius The Vinlanders SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.08 11:48:00 - [23] Toning down 1 or 2 ships is often better than boosting all others. That will have far more unpredictable results. ---
alessa cole	Posted - 2008.01.08 11:53:00 - [24] Although I do not go along with the OP's original theme he does have a point as do some of the others in this thread. Easiest way to understand how people are viewing is easy. Dark Age of Camelot had a thriving community until Mythic started constantly nerfing class after class and causing huge imbalances or wasting people's time that spec'd for months on a certain build only to to have the devs trash it. CCP should give its player base a respec option like ALMOST every other MMO out there.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.08 12:02:00 - [25] Originally by: alessa cole CCP should give its player base a respec option like ALMOST every other MMO out there. Thank heavens then, because Eve has never been and hopefully will never become like ALMOST every other MMO out there Originally by: ISD Cortes You're at liberty to use the rolling sig you had, as long as there's no chimeras covering the nether regions of voluptuous females.
wierchas noobhunter Cosmic Fusion When Fat Kids Attack	Posted - 2008.01.08 12:04:00 - [26] i think we should be happy that in eve will be lees ppl like u
Isan Danderoda Strix Armaments and Defence Acheron Federation	Posted - 2008.01.08 12:21:00 - [27] I find it funny that the constant tinkering the devs are involved in was what brought me back to eve. Over time they have fixed some of the things that I really didn't like (such as warp to 15km), provided us with some really cool stuff overall (like mods), and all said kept the gameplay fresh. Otherwise why keep playing?
Jaketh Ivanes Amarr Do Or Die And Live Or Try The Kano Organisation	Posted - 2008.01.08 12:56:00 - [28] Originally by: alessa cole Although I do not go along with the OP's original theme he does have a point as do some of the others in this thread. Easiest way to understand how people are viewing is easy. Dark Age of Camelot had a thriving community until Mythic started constantly nerfing class after class and causing huge imbalances or wasting people's time that spec'd for months on a certain build only to to have the devs trash it. CCP should give its player base a respec option like ALMOST every other MMO out there. EvE's character development is so much more complex and free than WOW (which I think it the same as DoAC, since I have never played DoAC). In EvE your character can be a warrior, priest and mage. You can even be an ice and fire mage at the same time. In WoW (and DaOC), if you had trained a warrior, and suddenly it was nerfed and you had to train a mage, you would have to spend a few months to reach the cap. You could quickly switch between a fire and ice mage, but so you can in EvE, but just refitting your ship. So, you have WoW (and DaOC) plus a lot more in EvE.
Viktor VonCarstein Amarr Phoenix Industries Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.08 13:41:00 - [29] Stop training flavour of the month. If its uber and everyone is flying it there is usually a reason, and that reason is usually because its overpowered at something making life easy. Well if the above is the case then it is sure to be nerfed. This is so there is variety and not everyone flying Vagas, but also similar numbers of people flying zealots, ishtars, cerbs etc. I have and still do fly only Amarr of varying ship types because I like flying them, not becuase omg they pwn everything. Phoenix Industries A Unique collection of Resource Links for Eve Online can be found here currently totalling over 120.
Nuandha Caldari Pukin' Dogs D0GMA	Posted - 2008.01.08 15:04:00 - [30] I think the OP has a point here. When CCP brings out a ship or mod with certain characteristics that they later find to be unbalanced, why not, instead of nerfing that ship or mod, find a way to boost countermeasures or let other factions develope new ships (or variations of existing one - boost an unsed hull or change its specific role). This should not happen based on forum whining but on CCP's finding of unbalanced stuff. Like this, those that trained for something specific will not be disapointed that the thing they trained for got nerfed and other that are unhappy about someone elses advantage have a chance to counter it by training or a boost of there own stuff. Although Eve is a virtual world a lot of things (concepts) are adopted from RL. And in RL if someone else has an advantage over you, you usally counter by improving your own stuff and ability and hardly ever you get the chance to nerf someone elses advantage. Balance is important in Eve but they to achiev this not ultimaltely should mean "nerf". imho the OP has a point here. -------------------------------------------------- Designated Splitter! --------------------------------------------------

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