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Rezor Preatorius Minmatar	Posted - 2008.01.09 00:02:00 - [1] Hi, i want to use hype for doing lv4's, so i went to forums and noticed that most fitting post include blasers. my question is what is the difference between rails and blasters, except that blasters do more dmg. i think that using blaster fitting would take forever to chase all rats. [/url]
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.09 00:33:00 - [2] Hmm, last I checked, mission Hypes all use Railguns. 8x 425mm Rail II Cap Rechargers and Tracking Comps 2x LAR II, 3x Hardener II, MFS II 2x CCC II, Aux Nano Pump Erm, I think this is fairly standard for a mission Hype fit. -Liang -- Originally by: "QProQ" When they said to put 'stabs on your 'cane, they meant GYROSTABS!
Rezor Preatorius Minmatar	Posted - 2008.01.09 00:52:00 - [3] ok, then i guess the posts i saw was outdated, thx for the reply [/url]
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.09 00:57:00 - [4] Originally by: Rezor Preatorius ok, then i guess the posts i saw was outdated, thx for the reply I think the posts you saw were for PVP Hyperions. -Liang -- Originally by: "QProQ" When they said to put 'stabs on your 'cane, they meant GYROSTABS!
Antikas Sourr Caldari	Posted - 2008.01.09 04:06:00 - [5] Edited by: Antikas Sourr on 09/01/2008 04:06:52 Originally by: Liang Nuren Hmm, last I checked, mission Hypes all use Railguns. -Liang I use blasters on my Hyperion for missions, so... your source is wrong. I doubt I'm the only one who uses this setup. To the op, if you want a good mission running blaster Hyperion, go with this: High slots: 8x Modal Mega Ion Particle Accelerator I (or Neutrons if you can fit them) Mid Slots: 100mn Afterburner II, Target Painter II or Tracking Computer II, 3x Cap Recharger II Low Slots: Whichever hardeners, EANMs, etc. you need to tank it all (Damage Controls included), and use one Large Armor Repairor II. Rigs: 3x CCC rigs. Drone bay: 2 or 3 Berserker SW-900 + 5 lights or 5 mediums. You'll need a lot of SP in navigation, gunnery, mechanic, engineering, etc. _______________
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.09 04:27:00 - [6] Originally by: Antikas Sourr I use blasters on my Hyperion for missions, so... your source is wrong. I doubt I'm the only one who uses this setup. To the op, if you want a good mission running blaster Hyperion, go with this: 8x Modal Mega Ion 100mn AB II, TP II, 3x Cap Recharger II LAR II, 4x Hardener, DC II 3x CCC I [Lights, Mediums, Webber Drones] You'll need a lot of SP in navigation, gunnery, mechanic, engineering, etc. Well, you're absolutely correct. Maybe I should have said that pretty much all competent mission hypes use railguns. Don't get me wrong, there are specific missions where you'll do ok in a blaster/autocannon boat, but they're far and away not the norm. -Liang -- Originally by: "QProQ" When they said to put 'stabs on your 'cane, they meant GYROSTABS!
Sera Mighthammer AlfaCorp	Posted - 2008.01.09 06:17:00 - [7] Blasters/Auto's may not be the norm, but they still work quite well if you setup the ship right. to op: in a hype it can a take a bit to chase down rats, but if you have good nav skills it's not that bad. when i used my hype for missions i mainly used blasters, though if the mission was one where most of the rats like to orbit you at 40km+ then i'd fit rails. the reason i say used, is cause i'm mainly flying my machariel these days. unless it's a mission that i'm not comfortable risking it in, then it's back to the hype. anywho, either way works well, just depends on your style and the mission. the hyperion is one beast of a ship. fitting correctly, it's damned near impossible to get killed in when doing missions.
Dark Voynix Universal Exports FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.01.09 08:38:00 - [8] Edited by: Dark Voynix on 09/01/2008 08:38:14 Its quite fun how people discuss about the standard range of npc without stating of what npc you refer. For example use blasters against guristas it's quite a pain in the ass because they usually keep some distance. On the contrary, a lot of serpentis bs's use blasters, so using blasters too make sense. In conclusion all depend where u do missions and for what factions.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.09 09:05:00 - [9] Originally by: Dark Voynix Edited by: Dark Voynix on 09/01/2008 08:38:14 Its quite fun how people discuss about the standard range of npc without stating of what npc you refer. For example use blasters against guristas it's quite a pain in the ass because they usually keep some distance. On the contrary, a lot of serpentis bs's use blasters, so using blasters too make sense. In conclusion all depend where u do missions and for what factions. There's quite a few serpentis battleships that orbit at 30-40km. In the end, my complaint is that it's inefficient because you very rarely actually have them spawn on top of you. You spend too much time chasing the rats down, when you could be dealing 5% less damage and dealing it starting much earlier. -Liang -- Originally by: "QProQ" When they said to put 'stabs on your 'cane, they meant GYROSTABS!
Heelay Ashrum Caldari Santhe Sienar Technologies	Posted - 2008.01.09 09:19:00 - [10] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Dark Voynix Edited by: Dark Voynix on 09/01/2008 08:38:14 Its quite fun how people discuss about the standard range of npc without stating of what npc you refer. For example use blasters against guristas it's quite a pain in the ass because they usually keep some distance. On the contrary, a lot of serpentis bs's use blasters, so using blasters too make sense. In conclusion all depend where u do missions and for what factions. There's quite a few serpentis battleships that orbit at 30-40km. In the end, my complaint is that it's inefficient because you very rarely actually have them spawn on top of you. You spend too much time chasing the rats down, when you could be dealing 5% less damage and dealing it starting much earlier. -Liang On the other side, use 425mm on a bs orbiting you at 5km ist quite a pain. Consider also that some people like to use tractor beam and salvages while kills so he must go < 20km anyway. personally i agree with you that "overall" rails are better, but in some cases the diffrerence is little and not SO better to call "incompetent" other peoples, expecially if he know whats he's doing. ;)
RogerWilco Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.09 11:37:00 - [11] clue = 350 is your friend...
Anton Villiers Gallente Sparrowhawk Ltd.	Posted - 2008.01.09 11:57:00 - [12] Personally, I love the hype, but for missions the domi just generally owns it as long as you have your gal drone skills trained up. Now if you want to micro-manage your ship during missions, hype is fun. But make no mistake that the domi will handle the same mission with less effort on your part and only marginally slower. In some cases faster if you need to chase down npc's in your blaster hype. Bottom line, the hype could be better...and should be. Unfortunately atm domi's pve and megas pvp generally make it a 2nd class ship which is a shame really.
Garong Madhatters Inc. Enuma Elish.	Posted - 2008.01.09 12:03:00 - [13] Originally by: Liang Nuren Hmm, last I checked, mission Hypes all use Railguns. 8x 425mm Rail II Cap Rechargers and Tracking Comps 2x LAR II, 3x Hardener II, MFS II 2x CCC II, Aux Nano Pump Erm, I think this is fairly standard for a mission Hype fit. -Liang Correct me if i'm wrong, but this doesnt fit, not even with a pg implant. when i ran missions in my hyperion i used this setup: 8x 350mm II rail 3x cap recharger II, 1x tracking computer II, 1x 100MN afterburner 1x faction LAR, 2x Magnetic field stab II, 3x Rat spec hardener Rigs 2x ccc 1x Aux nano pump I found a single repper effective enough for all lvl 4 missions if you use your brains :) Just dont try to tank the AE bonus room
Edriahn Gallente Bulgarian Mafia Squad Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2008.01.09 14:49:00 - [14] Originally by: RogerWilco clue = 350 is your friend... At least one guy here got a clue. And with tracking computer BSs orbiting at 5km aren't such a problem. But now, when Navy megathron costs 300mil you don't need hyperion for missions.
StickyFingerz Dark Materials	Posted - 2008.01.09 15:16:00 - [15] Originally by: RogerWilco clue = 350 is your friend... god dammit i am agreeing with a bobbit, i use 350;s on my rohk and its miles better for missioning than the 450's. and yes, RAILS for missions ;) /Theo.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2008.01.09 16:36:00 - [16] Originally by: Heelay Ashrum On the other side, use 425mm on a bs orbiting you at 5km ist quite a pain. Consider also that some people like to use tractor beam and salvages while kills so he must go < 20km anyway. personally i agree with you that "overall" rails are better, but in some cases the diffrerence is little and not SO better to call "incompetent" other peoples, expecially if he know whats he's doing. ;) I hit battleships at 5km with artillery, so I know damn well you can hit them with 425's. If you're salvaging kills while you go, you should be in a Domi. In some very specific cases the difference between rails and blasters is very small. Mostly, the difference is very large. I've tried both blasters and autocannons in missions, and though they do work as a general rule, I found that I would probably have completed the next room by the time I finished chasing everyone down. Besides, what are you going to do in Surprise Surprise with a blaster Hype setup? -Liang -- Originally by: "QProQ" When they said to put 'stabs on your 'cane, they meant GYROSTABS!
Neil armstrong	Posted - 2008.01.10 18:43:00 - [17] Originally by: Liang Nuren Hmm, last I checked, mission Hypes all use Railguns. 8x 425mm Rail II Cap Rechargers and Tracking Comps 2x LAR II, 3x Hardener II, MFS II 2x CCC II, Aux Nano Pump Erm, I think this is fairly standard for a mission Hype fit. -Liang i run out of cpu fitting that i have 2 pg rigs but apart from that iv got thwe same kit if i drop to 1 repper i can add a plate or another mag stab what would u do? ps i get 19.5k armour with 1 plate
Aki Corrino	Posted - 2008.01.10 18:47:00 - [18] Originally by: Neil armstrong i run out of cpu fitting that i have 2 pg rigs but apart from that iv got thwe same kit if i drop to 1 repper i can add a plate or another mag stab what would u do? ps i get 19.5k armour with 1 plate I would fit another Magstab, plates arent very useful for missions
Leandro Salazar Aeon Industries	Posted - 2008.01.10 18:51:00 - [19] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Heelay Ashrum On the other side, use 425mm on a bs orbiting you at 5km ist quite a pain. Consider also that some people like to use tractor beam and salvages while kills so he must go < 20km anyway. personally i agree with you that "overall" rails are better, but in some cases the diffrerence is little and not SO better to call "incompetent" other peoples, expecially if he know whats he's doing. ;) I hit battleships at 5km with artillery, so I know damn well you can hit them with 425's. If you're salvaging kills while you go, you should be in a Domi. In some very specific cases the difference between rails and blasters is very small. Mostly, the difference is very large. I've tried both blasters and autocannons in missions, and though they do work as a general rule, I found that I would probably have completed the next room by the time I finished chasing everyone down. Besides, what are you going to do in Surprise Surprise with a blaster Hype setup? -Liang This. It can actually be fun to chase NPCs around with a shortrange setup, but it is terribly inefficient except maybe against Angels, they really have a lot of short ranged BSes. And the Battleships that 'try' to orbit you at 5km are no problem at all, since they MWD past you all the time, so are rarely ever close. And that blaster setup someone posted above is so horrible... not even one Magstab. A rail setup with damage mods prolly has better range AND does more damage. Of course, I guess most people still think missions are all about tanking... There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones
Antikas Sourr Caldari	Posted - 2008.01.12 18:48:00 - [20] Originally by: Leandro Salazar And that blaster setup someone posted above is so horrible... not even one Magstab. A rail setup with damage mods prolly has better range AND does more damage. Of course, I guess most people still think missions are all about tanking... My mistake, that was a typo. Should have mentioned the Magtsab. It isn't a horrible setup by a long shot anyways, it just may not be efficient. _______________
Shereza	Posted - 2008.01.12 22:59:00 - [21] Originally by: Leandro Salazar Of course, I guess most people still think missions are all about tanking... They aren't? On a more serious note, there are many different options to achieve the same ends and the only option that truly matters is the one you have fun taking. Not everyone cares about efficiency, such as every person who'd rather go mining in a battleship or battlecruiser rather than train up for barges and exhumers. Not everyone believes in absolute tanking, and not everyone believes in DPS tanking, speed tanking, armor tanking, hull tanking, and/or shield tanking. To each their own and, in all honesty, I've tried a blaster hyperion setup similar to Antikas' in L4 missions before and it worked out fairly well. Not the best ship by far but considering that it survived and killed things fairly fast and I am by no means used to using fewer than 2 ships in L4 missions that says to me that the setup's worth looking at. ____________________ "Titans were never meant to be cost-effective. It's a huge ****." - Some dev(?).
Osric Wuscfrea Gallente Icarus' Wings Daedalus Hegemony	Posted - 2008.01.12 23:08:00 - [22] Edited by: Osric Wuscfrea on 12/01/2008 23:13:48 Edited by: Osric Wuscfrea on 12/01/2008 23:08:36 Most of these replies look like they are by people who don't own Hyperions. Lousy tracking on the ship, lousy tracking on 425s... Highs: 8 x 350 Protos Mids: faction Gist 100 AB or T2 2 x faction tracking Computers or T2 target Painter Lows: faction X Type LAR or T2 2 x faction Mag STabs or T2 1 x faction EANM or T2 2 x Faction rat specific hardeners or T2 Rigs: 3 x CCC Drones: 5 x Hammer II 5 x Hobgob II Tanks like a biach hits frigs down to 15km (feed remainder to drones) Ganks everything else. Clearly you need to have tank/gank skills at a decent level... -- Rgds Mike Dead-Fish, Deep Sea Daddies...

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