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Rogue Roy Minmatar Rogue Aces	Posted - 2008.01.09 07:40:00 - [31] It's true. With good skills and a Jaguar you can pull off some level 4s and practically all of level 3s (although some are bloody annoying). It's about the mid-level players fighting to maintain their standings, treading on those below and plotting against those above. -CCP Ginger
Ladel Teravada Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.01.09 08:31:00 - [32] Aaah.. I see noone has quite understood the power of the Harpy here.. Gooood.. Good. Blarpies have pretty insane dps for a frigate.. Upwards of 300 dps with maxed skills. <- 200ish kills in a harpy the last three months Commodore Ladel Teravada Executive Officer, Fleet Operations
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.01.09 08:50:00 - [33] So... err... let me check. max Harpy, 4 blasters, 25% damage bonus and double optimal 50% range bonus (laughable for small blasters) and no drones max Enyo, 4 blasters, 25% damage bonus and single optimal 50% range bonus, PLUS 37.5% tracking and a light drone max Ishkur, 3 blasters, 25% damage bonus and single optimal 50% range bonus, PLUS 5 medium drones Heck, for a -25% blaster DPS (so, if your Harpy can deal 300, that's 225), the Ishkur can also punch out over 150 T2 thermal drone DPS at max skills (for a grand total of 375). As for the Enyo, that lacking second optimal (lol, small blaster optimal range) range bonus, it gets a much more useful (IMHO) tracking bonus, AND one light drone (so up to 20 DPS). I fail to see how a blaster Harpy is "so much better" as any of the Gallente alternatives. Ok, granted, it IS a good enough ship, but not better as the alternatives (which also handle better). 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Deva Blackfire D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.09 08:51:00 - [34] Originally by: syphurous I use mine to run probed out sites in high sec, there's only the odd one that requires a little more fire power. I did till i found better ship for it: stealth bomber.
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2008.01.09 08:57:00 - [35] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 09/01/2008 09:04:38 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 09/01/2008 09:00:54 Originally by: Ladel Teravada Aaah.. I see noone has quite understood the power of the Harpy here.. Gooood.. Good. Blarpies have pretty insane dps for a frigate.. Upwards of 300 dps with maxed skills. <- 200ish kills in a harpy the last three months (a) You're talking about damage with overheat; all L5 skills + 2x magstab II + 4x neutron blaster II + 1x RL II, all with the very best faction ammo, result in 298 DPS. Damage with overheat is not sustainable for very long. (b) That sort of fit has no buffer and effectively no tank. (c) A cruiser still outdamages you by a very good margin (even without 'all L5 skills', and has 4x the buffer at the same time. In fact, a cruiser is also faster then you even if you do stick a MWD on it (which fits only with AWU V and does not leave room for a tank). Yes, blarpies can have high theorethical DPS, way higher then most other AFs. Do they still fail? Yes ;P If you want to do the redicilous fit + all L5 + best faction ammo trick, here's something for you: a Catalyst does 411 DPS overheated and outbuffers you on top of things. So there, you lose to a lousy destroyer. Originally by: Akita T max Ishkur, 3 blasters, 25% damage bonus and single optimal 50% range bonus, PLUS 5 medium drones Heck, for a -25% blaster DPS (so, if your Harpy can deal 300, that's 225), the Ishkur can also punch out over 150 T2 thermal drone DPS at max skills (for a grand total of 375). Erm, Ishkur is 5 light drones. Patch notes, you see ;) So that puts it at a 100 drone DPS at max skills, and as I pointed out, his numbers are with DG antimatter S (a T2 RL launcher) and 2x MFS II which is highly impractical. Without the RL II his DPS is 279 DPS, not 300 (unless he overheats). Basically, a 'all L5' Ishkur with a 2x MFS II fit and neutrons with DG antimatter does 308 DPS w/out overheat and 340 DPS with overheat, since we are looking at max theorethical DPS here. It's not like it's going to survive long enough to burn out its guns with the utter lack of tank/buffer anyway.. A bit of playing EFT online still doesn't show us that any of these ships are particularly good; yes they can reach high EFT numbers, but so can a Catalyst; and I won't even begin to compare with cruisers. Rifters!
azura nester White Shadow Imperium Burning Horizons	Posted - 2008.01.09 09:04:00 - [36] the problem is, you are flying a ishkur. i pirate in my enyo all the time..but other then killing crusiers and frigates/other AF's. they are generally useless
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.01.09 09:06:00 - [37] Originally by: Cpt Branko Erm, Ishkur is 5 light drones. Ah, yes, bandwidth stuff. Meh, still 300 vs 320 vs 325 DPS with his fantasy setup duplicated 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Raneru Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny	Posted - 2008.01.09 09:19:00 - [38] AFs used to be great back in the day, tougher than ceptors, more manouverable than cruisers. But then HACs became cheaper, faster and do better damage. Recons can lock them down with ease and dictors stop them going anywhere so they became useless. So I'd agree with the other posters and say they are mostly for PVE now. Lower level missioning and ninja ratting.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.01.09 09:19:00 - [39] Originally by: Raneru AFs used to be great back in the day, tougher than ceptors, more manouverable than cruisers. But then HACs became cheaper, faster and do better damage. Recons can lock them down with ease and dictors stop them going anywhere so they became useless. So I'd agree with the other posters and say they are mostly for PVE now. Lower level missioning and ninja ratting. boost patch! pink supporter! Future art director at CCP! or texture guy, either or :P http://www.digipen.edu/main/Gallery_Games_2004#Narbacular_Drop Was in class with these folks :P
Stakhanov Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.01.09 09:22:00 - [40] AF looks good as a T1 frigate gang leader. Pretty much like the navy apoc looks good as a BS fleet commander. Both die horribly...
Terro Deagas Woopatang The Red Skull	Posted - 2008.01.09 09:42:00 - [41] I still love my Wolf, and its fun to hunt down lone cruisers or frig small frig gangs with it. Plus, it looks so much sexier than a Rifter
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.09 09:51:00 - [42] You can refine them.
Nether Haze	Posted - 2008.01.09 10:04:00 - [43] Me and a few friends used to wolfpack in ishkurs.. somewhat effective against larger ships. Just get maybe 4-8 friends together, find a few targets and watch the chaos :D
RaTTuS BIG Ka-Tet	Posted - 2008.01.09 11:14:00 - [44] no problems in doing level 3 kill missions either ... well in retribution - minmatar ones are also OK ... -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve [Now Verified] & Recruiting
Bogdanel Standard Aerospace	Posted - 2008.01.09 13:01:00 - [45] Kill 2 week old newbies in drakes who want to kill the silly acting "Merlin".
Kronos Hopeslayer Blueprint Haus Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.09 15:45:00 - [46] For level 1 and 2 missions you're better off just getting a cruiser or destroyer. For PvP you'll get more out of going down the EWAR, Stealth Bomber, Inty, HIC route then AF/HAC route. You'll be a lot more useful to your gang in an EWAR Frig or Stealth Bomber then in an AF, and by the time you've mastered using Interceptors you'll be eye balling what a HIC can do. For belt ratting, just get a Raven or Drake with t1 fittings. It'll be much faster, safer and probably cheaper in the long run.
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.09 15:47:00 - [47] AF's are good for laughing at in a swarm -- Billion Isk Mission
Nicholas Barker MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.01.09 15:58:00 - [48] Jag is a good anticeptor/frigate for gangs. minivagabond Harpy is/was good at killing ceptors, used to run away from harpys when i was a little newbie ceptor pilot. retribution, crud for pvp the other amarr AF, my char is amarr spec, just lasers no missiles, so :( wolf, no idea, don't like touching them, can't decide between mwd + web or a scram. hawk, general fighting frigate ---
Weeaboot	Posted - 2008.01.09 16:08:00 - [49] They can do almost anything in EVE. Too bad that all other classes can do it better.
Kuar Z'thain Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.09 17:48:00 - [50] Edited by: Kuar Z''thain on 09/01/2008 17:50:54 Edited by: Kuar Z''thain on 09/01/2008 17:49:31 Originally by: Lord WarATron AF's are good for laughing at in a swarm I was waiting for someone to mention that day... I'll trade 79 Assault frig losses for LOL Battleship kills any day of the week... We had over 200 Assault Frigs flying around that day. Edit: found the battle on the killboard, damn my memory for numbers.
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.09 17:53:00 - [51] Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Edited by: Kuar Z''thain on 09/01/2008 17:49:31 Originally by: Lord WarATron AF's are good for laughing at in a swarm I was waiting for someone to mention that day... I'll trade 169 Assault frig losses for LOL Battleship kills any day of the week... Heh, I was too ashamed to fly a AF, used a Afterbuner Inty insted -- Billion Isk Mission
Thuul'Khalat Gallente Phoenix Wing Acheron Federation	Posted - 2008.01.09 17:54:00 - [52] Enyo + lvl3 missions = good fun ---
Vyktor Abyss The Abyss Corporation Abyss Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.09 17:58:00 - [53] AFs are for spanking POS guns.
corroded	Posted - 2008.01.09 18:04:00 - [54] 1 or more of the following needs to happen: 1: Set mass of AF's to max 105% of the t1 hull. 2: remove/reduce offence of inty's 3: Boost damage capability of AF's 4: Boost survivability of AF's 5: Increase cap/pg/cpu slightly on AF's Currently, interceptors do the AF's job, by both tackling, tanking and dps. currently an inty's speedtank is way better than an AF's tank. Too much of a bother to balance out without nerfing. Dps of both in almost on par, enyo vs ranis foi. this is bad. Survivability of AF's is much lower than an interceptor atm. Too heavy to speedtank, too soft to hardtank anything of note. The web-immunity idea sounds ok, but would force AF's to try and step in to the inty's role of tackling.

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