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Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.01.09 23:59:00 -
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 Originally by: YouGotRipped
Ok, notice how from the start the scammer takes the initiative and from the one questioned becomes the questioner. Then diverting attention from having to explain his venture (he knows he's totally lost if he gets there) he manages to convey the feeling of embarrassment upon his interlocutor to the point poor Ricdic no longer feels the need to ask about Riethe's dealing but wants to get it done and exit the conversation.
Actually we had about 2-3 hours worth of conversation prior to that chatlog. That wasn't posted but it was kinda a getting to know you type setup, just chatting about various stuff etc. After spending a considerable amount of time chatting with Riethe with no intention to buy (at the time) I thought he was a decent bloke, doing the right thing. Unfortunately it was a social engineering job, all that hard work paid off for him. So my decision to invest wasn't based on a 15 line convo that gets portrayed here.
Anyway, I hadn't met someone like Riethe before. Someone who uses friendship as a means to steal off you. He can call it RP or whatever he wants, but our convo's weren't RP'ing, they were (imo) chatting between mates. The Riethe issue caused me to sell a phenomenal amount of mine and EBANK's stocks as I didn't know who I could trust any more. Now I barely ever invest either.
Good or bad, who knows. The only thing I learnt from the ordeal is that there are people like Riethe in the game. In a game such as Eve where there is so much social interaction, trust requirements etc, such a blatant form of social engineering is like backstabbing your friend. Riethe feels differently about this apparently.
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Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.01.10 01:52:00 -
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Yeh Kushion that's why I footed the bill. Because I used my gut when investing based on my relationship with him, not the facts. I still think it's rotten and it hadn't happened to me before in that fashion hence my kinda holding a grudge over it.
I have learnt from it, but it means that 1 scam by Riethe causes me to deny potentially 10-20 legitimates.
Such is eve.
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Ricdic
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Posted - 2008.01.10 05:00:00 -
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Originally by: Kyrial Tidolfas
so me challenging shadarle's statement about how using character to judge an investment is flawed, is digging myself a bigger hole??
Sure, you are correct. Using 'anything' to judge an investment is flawed. All we can do is use our best guess. Sure, I agree things like audits should have been done with Riethe. We (as a community) screwed up on this section. But you are suggesting that a person's persona/character should not be used when determining an investment. That is insane.
How do you think EBANK is as big as it is. Sure we have the board of director's etc, but a lot of EBANK customers have worked with me in the past. Sure, I could have been concocting a social manipulation for the last 2 years in the effort to pull the greatest scam known to Eve. Thats a risk that we must take. We take our personal opinions into account when investing, we take our standings on the person in question etc.
We don't just invest because of a pretty business plan, or because you have manipulated the nanofiber I market in Jita for 13 minutes. We invest based on a lot of variables but to me personally a person's character is number 1. If I can speak to someone for over an hour without them even mentioning a loan/investment they are offering then that usually gives me insight into their true intentions.
Obviously in the case of Riethe I was wrong. But prior to Riethe I have done the same thing with 20-40 other people and had a successfull outcome. I don't do things in the same fashion any more (well I do a little but I limit investment far more than I used too)
So yes, the character of a person means a lot to me. Your character was tainted when you put that post up, and exacerbated when you have started this crusade against people thinking you are being victimised.
There is no 'elite' club in Eve. Just about everyone on the MD forums have had heated conversations with each other.
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Ricdic
Caldari
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Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.10 05:03:00 -
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Originally by: Kaptein Trefot
Its seems Riethe took much more from you then a few isk.
You would be correct. ISK in itself is just play money. I have enough for 2.5b to not exactly bankrupt me  . The social manipulation was the part that annoyed me as it was a virgin experience for me.
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And if Riethe is the jackass you potrait him to be, I'm guessing that means more to him then the isk he gained from you.
Probably 
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Ricdic
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Posted - 2008.01.10 05:26:00 -
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hehe easier said than done. When it happened I removed everyone's roles from C-R-A so people couldn't even take their own goods out of the hangars 
I then went back through and resecured everything to make sure there were no loopholes or parts I had missed.
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