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NeoTrade
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Posted - 2008.01.10 04:05:00 -
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Hi guys,
Disclaimer: I am not asking for 'secrets' (but I'll take them if you want), I am asking for advice on how to do the work myself..
As mentioned in a previous post, I've decided its time to put one of my science mains to good use.
I've determined the best use of his skills is to buy some good T1 BPOs, research them up a bit, do some invention, and do some copying.
So my question to people is: how do you determine a good T1 BPO to invest in? for example, I am thinking of the Raven BPO, as it is the most popular ship. I was thinking of doing a bit of research on it first, then running off copies. Meanwhile I can do some 'invention' on some of those copies, to possibliy get some Golem's.
But I'm worried that every man and his dog have been doing Raven BPOs for years, and I wont get a good return on it?
Also - how do you determine what a good ME level is for a particular BPO? I assume its different depending on the item in question?
Thanks for your time.
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Astorothe
Aperture Science Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.10 04:07:00 -
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My 2isk - stay away from the Raven BPO - the margin isn't that great and it's a big up front cost.
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Kwint Sommer
Incoherent Inc
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Posted - 2008.01.10 04:38:00 -
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You look at the market and see what's selling well, i.e. high volume, or a mediocre volume but high price tag. Then you look at the BPO and mineral prices and figure out how much researching you would have to do to get it to the point where you would be making a decent margin on each of whatever you're making.
Then you look at your profit over say 1-year and compare that as a percent to compounding interest in the highest interest account you could get at Ebank or Fury Bank over the same period of time. If it's not at least 10% better over the course of a year forget about it. Make sure you include the research time and non-zero turnover time in that percent profit.
If it will net you a significant profit you may have your product but first you will need to do some research as to why you're making such a significant profit and whether you can expect to still make these profits in 6-months, 12-months, 18-months and so on.
An example of a T1 BPO that looks perfect at first would be any of the Freighter BPO's. Unresearched copies are returning 20+% of the cost of BPO's a month at the moment. However, closer research suggests that they are going to crash and crash hard leaving you with a BPO that will earn you very little profit and wont' sell for anything close to market value.
Good luck.
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Posted - 2008.01.10 06:38:00 -
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Well. As for the Raven BPO, im afraid everbody has got them already. So id try and find another battleship to do.
If you wanna do solely invention, as far as im aware, the ME of the print doesnt matter.
But for production, in general ME20 is a good rule of thumb with the old algorithm for the waste amount. But if you dont plan on doing large batches of the item in question, you will be fine with ME20.
In general, i'd hold off with invention unless you have really good skills and a deep pocket.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.01.10 06:46:00 -
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ME20 on a battleship will take you 2 months... not sure that is a good suggestion.
ME5 is plenty for starters, can increase it later if you aren't doing anything. But if you wanna produce copies for invention then ME0 is fine. ME1-2 is even a lot better than ME0 for production tho. The difference between ME2 and ME20 is not all that large. The difference between ME5 and ME20 is quite small.
The items you get to ME20,50,100 etc are ones you produce in massive quantities, ammo, modules, etc. And if you are producing from it then do not forget PE as well, at least 1 or 2.
I'd REALLY suggest staying far far far away from Raven BPO's. EVERYONE has one. They will be worth less than dirt very soon. If you have em then sell them now while they are worth something. The BPC's will be back down to 1 mil each soon. Maybe a lot lower with all the BPO's out there.
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NeoTrade
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Posted - 2008.01.10 07:07:00 -
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Yeah. I think I'll go with some cruisers and battlecruisers to start. They are popular to make, plus I can do some invention off them aswell.
What about the Dominix or Malediciton Battleship - anyone got any thoughts on those?
Also - what are people's thoughts on Caldari vs other races? I'm assuming Caldari = quickest turnover, but lowest profit? Other races are higher profit - but less "buyers"?
I got all the neccessary skills for invention to 3 and 4 (almost all 4), so I'll definetely be doing that aswell.
fyi - I wont be producing anything. Just "research", "copying" (both for myself, and to sell BPC), and "invention".
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Danari
Amarr
Viper Squad
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Posted - 2008.01.10 07:12:00 -
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I have the raven, the tempest and the geddon bpos. The raven bpo has netted me 1.4bil over the last 4 months. The tempest, 840mil, the geddon 520mil. I've analyzed the thron, domi and phoon and the volume just isn't there, so the raven bpo is by far the best of the bs. Just because everyone has the bpo doesn't mean they have information accurate enough to know how to absorb enough minerals to produce them in volume without losing margin to overpaying. Incidentally I quite enjoy watching mineral supply get outstripped, prices spike and the local bs market drying up to where my bs are the only ones available. It's happened twice in the past month with ravens and tempests, and once with prophecies. 35 bs pre-built ready to resupply posted stock goes a long way toward riding short-term profit spikes.
An empire slot can kick out 45 copies every 45 days, a POS about 60 every month, but in my experience moving the copies is problematic, probably going back to everyone who produces ravens already having the bpo.
The maller is a surprisingly good investment. 250mil netted over 4 months, 1/6 of the performance of the raven at less than 1/10 the bpo cost and a higher net return on mineral costs.
The prophecy at 425mil net for a 240mil bpo cost and double the % markup of a raven is a not-bad tweener.
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Fitz VonHeise
The New Order.
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Posted - 2008.01.11 18:22:00 -
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Edited by: Fitz VonHeise on 11/01/2008 18:25:16
Just after the update I sold all my raven max run BPC's for 35-49m each.
Even those with no ME/PE 
Price has dropped since then but I got some great isk.
(I also sold all my mechanical data cores for 1.5m or so and then two weeks ago bought 300 back at 700m and made a Golm 10 run bpc.)
I also have 4 Raven BPO's pumping out BPC's at my POS atm.
(Maybe it is time to sell a few)
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SiJira
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Posted - 2008.01.11 19:38:00 -
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that would be the templar
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Posted - 2008.01.15 11:13:00 -
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i would say, charon or obelisk bpo
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