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Orree
Gallente
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.01.10 19:17:00 -
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Edited by: Orree on 10/01/2008 19:20:51
 Originally by: Nhaz
Originally by: Heptameron
Those MC left behind were simply not good enough to keep the area they had been given.
would you care to revise that statement? it took 27 alliances 2000+ pilots and 5 months of pretty much solid combat to pry mpire and fatal out. razor tri and MM took nothing but losses untill they created a giant napfest and did lets bring everything and the kitchen sink attack.
yes off topic but lets try to remember what really happened there.
Again with the nonsense about "eleventy alliances" and thousands of players. The number of significant participants was well short of your number and the "new north" was not just M.Pire and Fatal. It's enough already. Yes, they were outnumbered quite often.
With all due respect to skill of of our former adversaries, I think it's a bit disingenuous to say we "took nothing but losses." I'd say that all of the major "old north" participants fared very well in total against our foes. This isn't to say we didn't take losses, we most certainly did and it was quite often due to the obvious skill of our adversaries. However, I don't believe it is true that among the major participants, we lost more than we killed.
In the end, as Puggy said, the thing that matters is the "new north" is gone. The only north is still there until such time as someone gets what it takes together to remove them. No one is safe from that...no one is immune. It's just a matter of time before it happens to just about anyone.
All of this notwithstanding, the OP was an interesting read. Thanks to the author for taking the time.
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Heptameron
Gallente
Seven.
Enuma Elish.
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Posted - 2008.01.10 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Nhaz
Originally by: Heptameron
Those MC left behind were simply not good enough to keep the area they had been given.
would you care to revise that statement? it took 27 alliances 2000+ pilots and 5 months of pretty much solid combat to pry mpire and fatal out. razor tri and MM took nothing but losses untill they created a giant napfest and did lets bring everything and the kitchen sink attack.
yes off topic but lets try to remember what really happened there.
Well unusually for me i thought ok... maybe I'm wrong and i should retract my post. But just for the hell of it and thx to razors killboard history I thought I would check just who the hell we were fighting back then.
We failed bigtime against MC's cap blob, i seem to remember 2/3 titans, 4/5 MS and an absolute bucketload of carriers and dreads topping out at 140+ with a few extras from their allies. Oh yea i've digressed again, i was about to put some reality biscuits into your cookie jar...
COW/FIX/M.Pire/STK/****/fatal/youwhat/aftermath/M.Corp/Storm armada/anarchy/vigilance/firestar all appear on razor death mails. I only checked a couple in some of the biggest engagements, these were mostly post MC's spanking us. The napfest you and so many others throw around like confetti is sometimes just someones elses skewed view on eve life, forgive me if this is another erroneous peice of info but surely BoB's old area of influence and it's residents/friends/blue list was bigger than anthing eve had seen in its day?
So actually no, i'm not going to revise my statement, in fact I think i just reinforced it, btw also left you a slice of humble pie with the reality cookies.......
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Murina
Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2008.01.10 19:51:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Heptameron
Originally by: Nhaz
Originally by: Heptameron
Those MC left behind were simply not good enough to keep the area they had been given.
would you care to revise that statement? it took 27 alliances 2000+ pilots and 5 months of pretty much solid combat to pry mpire and fatal out. razor tri and MM took nothing but losses untill they created a giant napfest and did lets bring everything and the kitchen sink attack.
yes off topic but lets try to remember what really happened there.
Well unusually for me i thought ok... maybe I'm wrong and i should retract my post. But just for the hell of it and thx to razors killboard history I thought I would check just who the hell we were fighting back then.
We failed bigtime against MC's cap blob, i seem to remember 2/3 titans, 4/5 MS and an absolute bucketload of carriers and dreads topping out at 140+ with a few extras from their allies. Oh yea i've digressed again, i was about to put some reality biscuits into your cookie jar...
COW/FIX/M.Pire/STK/****/fatal/youwhat/aftermath/M.Corp/Storm armada/anarchy/vigilance/firestar all appear on razor death mails. I only checked a couple in some of the biggest engagements, these were mostly post MC's spanking us. The napfest you and so many others throw around like confetti is sometimes just someones elses skewed view on eve life, forgive me if this is another erroneous peice of info but surely BoB's old area of influence and it's residents/friends/blue list was bigger than anthing eve had seen in its day?
So actually no, i'm not going to revise my statement, in fact I think i just reinforced it, btw also left you a slice of humble pie with the reality cookies.......
I fought on the fatal and co side to take the area and i fought with TRI later to remove fatal and co and the reason they lost was because they stopped the offensive and turtled up. The way eve works is that if your defending your losing and fatal and co had way to many carebears who wanted to make isk in 0.0 instead of fighting in it.
They stopped moving forwards after MC left they had a few months of roaming gangs but a big thrust from MM and co started some time in september including TRI on the 29th of august. The attack was initialy poorly planned considering the numbers that MM and co brought to the fight and due to this TRI decided to attack the outlying allies and let the northern nap deal with fatal/mpire/cow.
A few weeks later the northern nap started a sustained attack on bkg and after a while of this mpire bailed and the new north fell around the start of october.
FATAL then disbanded on the 5th of october
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Rashka Fireball
Amarr
Bellum Aeternus
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Posted - 2008.01.10 20:01:00 -
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Edited by: Rashka Fireball on 10/01/2008 20:02:12
Originally by: Krullzorzz
Thoughtful and well developed, but fundamentally incorrect. You dont understand mc's internal structure, or its true lack of a "ceiling"..unless you count the number of players in the alliance as a ceiling. Additionally, you fail to understand the scope of its logistics and carebear abilities.
The only cap for the MC is when every player in the alliance that can fly caps is in a supercap.
I think that is the cap being referred to in the OP.
At a theoretical level all alliances have the same cap. On a practical level can MC attain a higher percentage of super caps to members? According to you, yes. Fine, letÆs assume thatÆs true.
Due to their restrictive policies on recruitment, they will always have a significantly smaller alliance than the typical power alliance. 500 odd members all in super caps wonÆt overpower a 3000 member alliance with 20% of its members in super caps. Also, speaking practically, itÆs hard to maintain a solid and effective fleet, let alone run an industrial and logistic wing if everyone is imprisoned in super caps. Relying on allies for a support and logistic fleet may not be the best way to insure oneÆs longevity (they can turn on you with a single post in CAOD.) This being the case MCÆs practical supercap cap is something less than 100% of its member base.
So MC can, as a practical matter, put 75% of itÆs members in supercaps. Another larger power puts 20% in supercaps. ThatÆs ends up being what, 350 to 400à 500 or in the case of goons itÆs be 1000 super caps.
Good luck with that, time to come up with a new strategy, is I think the OPÆs main point.
As for the notion that there is a limit to the number of pilots that can fight in any one system given current server performance anywho? Sure, 300 MC v 300 anyone else is gonna come out in MCÆs favor more often than not, but what happens when the larger alliance simply attacks 3 systems at once? One big even fight and two automatic losses? Three fights at 1 to 3 odds? MC needs to rethink its strategy and alliance culture (Only mega elites need apply and all that) if it wants to continue to be a 0.0 landholding alliance and a mercenary force.
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Silvestri
Office linebackers
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.01.10 20:08:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Omeega
Originally by: Silvestri
No Rise...
lol :)
lol....good point...
They were good fun to raid though....
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Mei Han
Gallente
Mythos Corp
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.10 20:36:00 -
[66]
I realy don't get why K:D ratio has any meaning.. espesialy in mercenary business. I mean if i pay for a contract i do not care if thier ratio was 100% and they killed only 10 BSs and left. I wouldn't even care if they lost 100 Caps to kill 10. My only interest would be for damage done in ISK,Territory and enemies' morale.
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HEY LISTEN
i swear this is true
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Posted - 2008.01.10 21:03:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Mei Han
I realy don't get why K:D ratio has any meaning.. espesialy in mercenary business. I mean if i pay for a contract i do not care if thier ratio was 100% and they killed only 10 BSs and left. I wouldn't even care if they lost 100 Caps to kill 10. My only interest would be for damage done in ISK,Territory and enemies' morale.
K/d ratio's is a measure of pvp skill, territory can be bought, blobbed or napped to be gained. Although in a contract with merc's you would as you say proly only care about whatever result you paid for.
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Quartex
Gallente
Octavian Vanguard
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.10 21:33:00 -
[68]
Very thoughtful post, thanks to the Op.
I should begin by saying that the views that follow are my own and not necessarily those of the Alliance I am in.
BoB were the first true super Alliance and managed to stay ahead of everyone by mastering and then applying new game mechanics ahead of everyone else.
Their teamwork and organisation whilst doing this is best demonstrated in the first two PvP tournies, which they won comfortably. Leadership was clear and focussed and all about holding space.
The BoB/MC relationship was mutually beneficial and I support the views of the Op on MC's evolution. Having a friendly BoB as a neighbour meant MC were free to fight, holding space was an aside. They didn't need to hold space but as mercs they could receive big bucks for taking it.
MC's split from BoB has complicated southern eve politics. BoB isn't dead yet, they can field an incredible Cap fleet. As others have said, with current game performance it's possible that they can hold out by simply turning up with enough ships to take the node down, even if they fully intended to deal a decisive blow to break off some of the forces allied against them.
It's going to take simultaneous multi Alliance attacks 23/7 to get the job done and that takes a lot of people getting on for the time required.
MC will find their next evolution as this time ticks by and new strategic opportunities present themselves in the centre ground they have cleverly taken up.
We have been in the "Kill BoB" era for some time now with clear relationships between the larger alliances but I wonder if MC's creation of Tortuga could be the catalyst for a major re-alignment of these relationships.
The "Post BoB" era might not be what some people are expecting and MC's move may be viewed differently in a years time.
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Ituralde
The Illuminati.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.01.10 22:04:00 -
[69]
Interesting post. Really though, I would think to look further back than the D2 campaign to see the strength of the MC. The whole Capship powerhouse reputation only represents but one part of the MC's history and reputation.
Though, then again, that was before the memory of the average EVE player. Guess even a noob like me is starting to get old...
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Pilk
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.01.10 22:50:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Demosthenes Citium
Dusk till Dawn
I have a hard time taking a history lesson from someone who can't correctly write the name of the main alliance his ill-informed rant is about.
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Starfall Hammer
Starfall Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.10 23:12:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Pilk
Originally by: Demosthenes Citium
Dusk till Dawn
I have a hard time taking a history lesson from someone who can't correctly write the name of the main alliance his ill-informed rant is about.
--P
It is hardly a rant. Go be bitter somewhere else.
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Pilk
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.01.10 23:20:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Starfall Hammer
Originally by: Pilk
Originally by: Demosthenes Citium
Dusk till Dawn
I have a hard time taking a history lesson from someone who can't correctly write the name of the main alliance his ill-informed rant is about.
--P
It is hardly a rant. Go be bitter somewhere else.
The OP impugns MC and D2, and lauds Goon, RA, and whatever "Coalition of the Willing" they've put together at the moment. I am not, nor have I ever been, in any of those alliances. I'm just disgusted that the propaganda alts don't even bother to run their drivel through a spell-checker any more, let alone someone who actually knows Eve history.
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Arakk
Caldari
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd.
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.10 23:28:00 -
[73]
Cool post, I was curious how long MC would carry BoB's name. I would find it interesting to see a write-up on all of the "and friends" that have worked with MC and BoB to accomplish what they have in the last year up until MC's breakoff from supporting bob. By "and friends" people always refer to bobs pets/allies and mc's allies as BoB and friends, bob and pets, mc and friends, etc.
Today the BoB fanboiz and bob in general say "haha it took all of eve to do this to US." The question is if we count all of the people in addition to BoB and MC up until MC's breakoff... how many corps/alliances/members actually made up "US". You know before BoB let all of their "and friends" get slaughtered. Today the statement "all these alliances to kill us" finally holds at least SOME truth, since all of their allies and pets no longer have space, and some are as alive as ASCN. FIX is still fighting, but they also have no space, as their systems were getting annihilated, bob's cap fleet and support have spent the majority of their time defending one of the last stations in Fountain.
Its too bad imo that bob's philosophy is to defend primarily space labeled with "band of brothers" sov. Meanwhile one by one their meatshield was exterminated. Possibly and probably if they used some of the weight theyre using now in defending their allies that meatshield would still be there. And perhaps they might have proven themselves a worthy ally in the defense of space to MC.
I think one of the major reasons they broke off was it became overwhelmingly apparent that bob would soon virtually abandon MC as well, with the swarm on their doorstep. Just like they did for FIX, Rise, ... uh well lets not list the amount of allies they fed to the dogs so this doesnt turn into a double post. Anyone that doesn't agree that bob's strategy for supporting allies is "let them take ur space come defend ours" hasn't been watching the front at all, and hasn't noticed that nearly every bob friendly alliance has been erased from the map.
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duckmonster
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.10 23:30:00 -
[74]
In MCs defense, granted one hasn't seen as many Capship deployments, but I'd hardly call it lack of balls, more that its a natural consequence of cyno jammers. Capship deployments a much more complicated affair now, which I think is a good thing for the game (Smaller ships get to play again)
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Raznarok
Apostles of Insanity
Rare Faction
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Posted - 2008.01.10 23:33:00 -
[75]
Cool read, something worth putting my glasses on for |
fugazii
Deep Space Productions
Fang Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.10 23:34:00 -
[76]
I can only assume the op has been playing for less than a year, because MC certainly did not build its reputation by fighting d2.
And d2 did not fall so quickly because they were noobs. Dont get me wrong d2 were noobs, but that alone doesnt equal such a swift defeat. noobs can go very far with enough numbers as shown by goonswarm. The reason d2 fell(so quickly) is 2 parts. 1) they had just essentially ended a stunningly horrible campaign where they lost a ridiculous amount of isk and ships and 2) unlike gs, d2 are noobs who are NOT pvp oriented so by the time MC came along they were tired of losing, and had little steam and isk to devote towards pvp. Not to mention alot of MM was away at the time so help from them was minimal, IRON gave up without a single shot, and razor was also very exhausted from the same failed campaign as d2.
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Malibu Stacey
Gallente
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.01.11 00:23:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Demosthenes Citium
With the disintegration of D2, one can also see the scale of their battlefield prowess. Mostly Harmless is an industrial powerhouse, Kraftwerk is more or less similar, and Evoke, a small alliance, remains the only potent pvp force.
So RECON are what, chopped liver?
Originally by: Demosthenes Citium
It was painfully obvious that if MC continued the fight in Catch, they would be on the receiving end more and more as they grew closer to the capital ceiling, while the enemy had no such limits.
It was painfully obvious that if MC continued the fight in Catch they'd lose more capitals to -A-. MC's leadership always runs when faced with the prospect of fighting Evil Thug because he's shown time & again he will make them hurt. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with this, if anything it's good business sense but I know who I'd rather have blue when faced with the choice of either -A- & Tortugans/Superfriends/MC*****breaKIA.
Good post(s) otherwise.
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Kera Delacour
Evenstar Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.11 00:41:00 -
[78]
Edited by: Kera Delacour on 11/01/2008 00:42:01
Edited by: Kera Delacour on 11/01/2008 00:41:16
Not getting why everyone is lauding the OP about his post. He's entirely delusional about MC's reputation. A brief search on eve-search yielded some interesting reading about MC. Their reputation is hardly built on their defeat of D2... it's not even their crowning achievement by any stretch.
Though I do agree with some of his points. MC has a limited number of pilots that they can get into caps while their enemies do not. Oh well, that really doesn't matter given that there is a finite number of ships that can get into any system at any given time (currently). Also, given cyno Jammers, etc. It's not like you have to be good with JUST a cap fleet.
But that's ok let's not let game mechanics interfere with our preconcieved notions/delusions of self importance. Will the south tolerate an independant tortuga? Only time will tell. My guess is that once BoB goes down the south will fragment back into it's typically warring factions. There's a TON of mostly vacant space down there as well judging by the map as well that any gutsy alliance with decent PVP'ers could go and take as well.
I'm fairly sure that some alliances will have a go at the Tortuga folks. Only time will tell, as others have said, how that experiment will go. I do find it ironic that everyone who talks about MC's current situation conveniently forgets that Period Basis isn't just MC. Last time I looked there are 3 sov holding alliances in PB and we also know that Outbreak is down there and rumors of a couple other PVP corps as well. But lets not worry about facts. It's much more fun to speculate about alliances while forgetting their allies. Even if some of their allies are scarier than the alliance we're discussing. Personally I think Outbreak being down there should scare the bejesus out of anyone thinking about taking a ***** at PB... does any alliance REALLY want those guys moving into their back yard as payback for kicking them out of PB?
Or Ev0ke?
Or KIA?
Or whoever else is down there with the Tortuga folks?
These are PVPers we're talking about... not 0.0 carebears... kick them out of their space at peril of making your own unlivable :)
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dastommy79
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.11 01:02:00 -
[79]
Is this another " the northern napmonkeys/carebears/<insult>" thread cause those are pretty ***. Plus it leads to a lot of you sucked more and you ran away crap. MC came conquered and then went away. that was the northern campaign. A highlight in their caerer yes, but there is alot of highlights to choose from. Blaming D2 for the lose is wrong. Each of the allainces up north are to blame for MC's quick succes. Its the past though, lets look to the future
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Kalissa
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.01.11 01:45:00 -
[80]
That post was actually a very good read. From memory MC were definitely using motherships well before I remember many other alliances using them, and put them to exceptionally good use, however that was an advantage which I'm sure they realised themselves that sooner or later was going to be negated.
As far as them attacking the north, from a Tri perspective it was probably the best thing that had happened in a long time. The north was totally stagnant the whole place was NAP'd beyond belief. Tri was formed out of a deep dislike for that NAP'ing culture the main problem though was that we had to try and plan operations at times when we knew certain members of the NAPfest were busy elsewhere, to put just how bad things were into context we once launched an assault on an FLA station and we had a gang of 35 people (at the time that was a VERY good show) and the call went out to the other northern entities and within 45 mins we had 160+ in local to fight our gang of 35.
It was nights like that that fuelled our hatred of the situation.
When MC attacked the north we had moved to Venal and we decided to stay out of the fight as even though we didnt like the current northern situation nor did we want to aid BoB in any way, and attacking D2 & Co would have indirectly done that.
The napfest in the north was centred around D2, even though to be honest we hardly ever (if ever) fought D2 their presence was felt, you were either friendly to them or not and if you werent (as we were) you were most definitely left on the outside looking in.
So once D2 wasn't on the scene the door was open for Tri's ambitions to grow which of course they did, we gained a foothold within 48 hours which surprised us as we just didnt expect to get a station that quickly and we went from there.
So Tri does actually owe MC one from my personal point of view, and to be honest anyone who loves pvp does too, the situation as it was in the north was a bad one the only real winners were the industrialists. The north right now is no where near as hot as the south is, infact it's pretty lukewarm really. But before MC came up north and changed things it was an icebox.
But as to what will happen next? Well I dont see BoB being defeated and killed, but I do see them having to leave Delve though probably not for quite a bit, I seriously believe BoB are loving this fight, even if it does end in the loss of their home. When BoB leave I believe MC and the Tortugans will be hard pressed to keep PB, right now it's conventient to have them fighting BoB for PB as it makes the taking of Delve easier that it otherwise would be but once BoB are not in the picture I think they'll find themselves homeless. Staying with BoB would have been a better idea, they would have lost their space but have their reputation intact. They hold onto their space longer this way but the eventual result will be the same and they have badly damaged their reputation by turning on BoB when they did.
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Cyriel Longinus
XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.01.11 02:37:00 -
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This is just propaganda.
You whom had nodded ôgood threadö have been spun.
By actually studying up, separate fact from forum fiction à you the reader can learn the entire history that is the Mercenary Coalition from available facts plus eyewitness accounts and then formulate a proper view on the topic.
The MC has always used an edge, whether it has been intel or the latest technology in conjunction with battle tested PvP Play, not to mention the dedication to deliver fun. Hotdropping Motherships on top of fleets in 2007 was a fine example of this. Before this there was surely something else. By doing so the MC has an earned presence in New Eden's history ... such that one forum post from an unknown will not change.
D2 and North was just one recent contract out of so many others and not the ôgrand claim to fameö as the OP would like to spin. The ôTrue Testö for MC is the history it has claimed for itself and the dedication it has to deliver to the ôClientö and the targets.
The "Force of Evil" Contract put to rest a great plague in New Eden. ItÆs almost forgotten but historic. It happened well before the D2 and North contract and could be said as the contract that put MC on the map but it really isnÆt.
MC is on the influence map because of faith, dedication and itÆs own ethos of having fun.
I think fugazii is right in saying
Originally by: fugazii
I can only assume the op has been playing for less than a year, because MC certainly did not build its reputation by fighting d2.
What could become of MC? The real identity behind Demosthenes Citium probably has no clue, hence why heÆs hiding behind the alt.
Demosthenes Citium,
If you possess a insight and enough experience to share a perspective as to ôwhat could beö then back it with your identity and please recall historic facts beyond just last year à otherwise, please donÆt try to sell it à because what I had read was not researched, narrow viewed and was definitely worded to influence.
Because if I had to, I would bet on the earned in blood reputation, backed by years of success and my own research that an organization such as the Mercenary Coalition will write itÆs own ticket à IÆll do that before I ever start ônoddingö mindlessly in agreement with one guy hiding behind an alt.
Sorry man, IÆm just tired of reading propaganda threads being spun as creditable or soft point of views.
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.01.11 03:58:00 -
[82]
The most fearsome aspects of the MC are their industry backbone and their freighter blobs.
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Atomos Darksun
Havoc Inc
Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.01.11 04:04:00 -
[83]
MM, MH, FIX, Tortuga, and the rest of the non-SC and non-bob/pets should band up. This way BoB goes SPLATT, and Mittens is kept happy by having someone to fight.
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WraithFire
Cassandra's Light
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2008.01.11 04:25:00 -
[84]
Demosthenes, this is a very good post. It is a breathe of fresh air imo. Good work.
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Philly81
Port Royal Independent Kontractors
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.01.11 04:42:00 -
[85]
Originally by: fugazii
Not to mention alot of MM was away at the time so help from them was minimal, IRON gave up without a single shot, and razor was also very exhausted from the same failed campaign as d2.
Considering you had mentioned razor being exhausted from the failed campaign in the south, IRON, too, had been fighting in the south. Actually they had been fighting in Querious, and fighting quite well imo, about 2 months before the rest of the northern alliances came down to fight.
Please don't think that IRON was just sitting in Deklein when MC invaded because they were not. IRON was war exhausted and spent most of its isk as well as the other northern alliances.
My views do not affialiate with my corp nor alliance.
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Orion Moonstar
Ultrapolite Socialites
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.11 04:44:00 -
[86]
Wow, wait, tl;dr, meaning DID READ.
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Demosthenes Citium
Lyceum Cyrene
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Posted - 2008.01.11 07:23:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Cyriel Longinus
This is just propaganda.
The MC has always used an edge, whether it has been intel or the latest technology in conjunction with battle tested PvP Play, not to mention the dedication to deliver fun. Hotdropping Motherships on top of fleets in 2007 was a fine example of this. Before this there was surely something else. By doing so the MC has an earned presence in New Eden's history ... such that one forum post from an unknown will not change.
To be frank, your post appears to be more like propaganda than mine.
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Cyriel Longinus
XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.01.11 09:12:00 -
[88]
Edited by: Cyriel Longinus on 11/01/2008 09:16:45
Originally by: Demosthenes Citium
Originally by: Cyriel Longinus
This is just propaganda.
The MC has always used an edge, whether it has been intel or the latest technology in conjunction with battle tested PvP Play, not to mention the dedication to deliver fun. Hotdropping Motherships on top of fleets in 2007 was a fine example of this. Before this there was surely something else. By doing so the MC has an earned presence in New Eden's history ... such that one forum post from an unknown will not change.
To be frank, your post appears to be more like propaganda than mine.
To be frank is to be straightforward; i.e. coming out of hiding from behind that alt.
YouÆre just not happy that I exposed your words for narrow view nonsense that they are.
What I had written elaborates on what you had attempted to say but you failed to properly consider what is obvious à that the MC had always used an edge to their advantage à that edge changes with the era, situation and target. If you had ever fought them as a leader, you would know this to be a degree of truth and say so rather than focus on a few events in 2007 and use that as a general content to support your words.
Look, if you do not have the constitution to handle posting a thread in CAOD, then just donÆt do it.
If you're gonna quote me, don't omit words to spin support for a futile rebuttal.
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Demosthenes Citium
Lyceum Cyrene
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Posted - 2008.01.11 09:43:00 -
[89]
read the first paragraph I wrote, it explains why I am posting on this character. Have a good day.
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Tearavygh Quillam
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.11 11:08:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Pilk
Originally by: Starfall Hammer
Originally by: Pilk
Originally by: Demosthenes Citium
Dusk till Dawn
I have a hard time taking a history lesson from someone who can't correctly write the name of the main alliance his ill-informed rant is about.
--P
It is hardly a rant. Go be bitter somewhere else.
The OP impugns MC and D2, and lauds Goon, RA, and whatever "Coalition of the Willing" they've put together at the moment. I am not, nor have I ever been, in any of those alliances. I'm just disgusted that the propaganda alts don't even bother to run their drivel through a spell-checker any more, let alone someone who actually knows Eve history.
--P
Yet again, your minority explains itself as undeniable.
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