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Xaen
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Posted - 2008.01.10 17:08:00 -
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I love how most of the posters missed the point completely.
I dunno if it's considered griefing under the EULA/ToS or not, but holding a pod in place without popping it indefinitely is hilarious, and I approve.
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Xaen
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Posted - 2008.01.10 17:31:00 -
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 Originally by: Kuar Z'thain
Originally by: Xaen
I love how most of the posters missed the point completely.
I dunno if it's considered griefing under the EULA/ToS or not, but holding a pod in place without popping it indefinitely is hilarious, and I approve.
What does the EULA/ToS have to do with griefing?
Stop trolling.
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Xaen
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Posted - 2008.01.10 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Fina
from Wreckthread Originally by: Xaen
The fact that there's a contradiction between the statement "does not profit in any way" and the example of blowing up newbies (since you profit from their wrecks and cans) only serves to illustrate that it's the spirit of the "don't grief" rule that matters, not the particular verbiage.
In this case the one that hold the pod doesn't even get any financial gain from it. Should be even more clear how to classify it then.
The fact that, in the OP's case at least, it's retaliation, I imagine the GMs would be more willing to allow it.
It can be a very grey area and should be handled on a case by case basis.
Doing it once to one person who stole stole from your can? Probably not griefing.
Doing it habitually to everybody you see in a pod? Griefing.
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Xaen
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Posted - 2008.01.10 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: nether void
Originally by: Cpt Fina
Edited by: Cpt Fina on 10/01/2008 17:45:33
from Wreckthread Originally by: Xaen
The fact that there's a contradiction between the statement "does not profit in any way" and the example of blowing up newbies (since you profit from their wrecks and cans) only serves to illustrate that it's the spirit of the "don't grief" rule that matters, not the particular verbiage.
In this case the one that hold the pod doesn't even get any financial gain from it. Should be even more clear how to classify it then.
The financial gain is in the ore thief not being able to try to steal from you again.
The problem with 'does not profit in any way' does not apply in Eve. In Eve every action changes the profit or loss of another individual no matter what that action is. Even the action of logging off changes it. Even the action of cancelling your account. Even the action of choosing not to purchase the game in so much effectively never having played the game. Everything changes, if even on a minute scale, the profit and loss of every individual in the game in some sort of way.
Therefore there can be no act that can be considered griefing.
...Which is why I don't agree with the definition of griefing in this game, but that's an entirely seperate thread.
Amazing. Someone else gets it.
I'm so tired of the lawyeresque fools that cite verbiage and thump on it like it's the final say. The "no profit" part was probably a mistake and should be corrected so they don't think it's true and try to use it to argue.
Griefing is mostly common sense. As soon as you try to codify it some asshat will adhere to the letter of the rule, crap on the spirit and act all indignant when they get punished.
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