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Endless Horizons	Posted - 2008.01.10 21:12:00 - [1] I've heard this a few times in local. What is a deep safe? How is it safe? When i've heard it it's mainly talking about low sec or 0.0 though, If that helps with an answer. Thanks --EH
Thunderguts Fusion Enterprises Ltd Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.01.10 21:16:00 - [2] A safespot? That means bookmarking a location that nobody else can find. What you can do is warp from one planet/station/gate to another, making a bookmark when you're halfway between. The bookmark is made when you press "OK", not when you press "Create Bookmark" in People and Places. I don't know what a deep safespot is. It might mean going to a safespot and cloaking. Or it might refer to a safespot that is safer because it's not between any two objects, therefore very hard to scan out. You can make such a safespot by taking an NPC mission, for example, because they sent you to locations that may be randomly located in space. Or you can make some safespots, then warp from one to another, making a new safespot in the middle. Use the solar system map to see where you are and determine how safe it is.
Turd Hurdler	Posted - 2008.01.10 21:22:00 - [3] I have never heard of a "Deep Safe" and I spend the majority of my time in 0.0 space. The only thing that I could think of would be a safe spot very far from anything which may make it somewhat harder to be probed. But if that is the case then it doesnt matter how good your safespot is you can allways be found thus never truely safe "unless docked". A safe spot is a bookmarked location in space that is simply put, in the middle of nowhere, away from stations, gates and planets.
Letouk Mernel	Posted - 2008.01.10 21:25:00 - [4] A deep safespot is one that is difficult to find because it's far from any planets or moons (beyond the range of the omni-scanner and possibly beyond the range of probes), and possibly it's not in the plane where most planets are and thus to scan for it you have to guess direction too.
Turd Hurdler	Posted - 2008.01.10 21:25:00 - [5] Edited by: Turd Hurdler on 10/01/2008 21:25:24 Just remembered,. I once heard about people making safespots far away from anything which were either extremly hard to find or impossible. This was done I believe by logging and a few other things to it but I think thats been seen as an exploit and fixed.
Corbon Hydrashock Repo Industries	Posted - 2008.01.10 21:56:00 - [6] Well, there used to be easier ways to get a deep safe, but they took it out of the game. For example, a few months ago I found a deep-safe I had saved (way back in the day) about 320 AU away from anything, so yeah - that's a deep safe, and it's well off of the map. The best scanner does 40 AU, so I'm going to go out on a limb here and offer that a safe that is minimally +40AU away from anything is getting to be a deep safe. I imagine that you could dedicate a Inty to the job, these days, and take a week or so (maybe more) of logging in, and letting it MWD itself in a direction all day, every day?
Leora Nomen Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.10 22:05:00 - [7] Like other posters have noted deep safe is a safespot outside of scan probe range (over 40AU from any warpable object). Right now it is not possible to make deep safes unless you're in a system that is large enough to permit you to make a bookmark that would be too far for the best probes to reach. guide to game time codes
Panch0Villa Caldari	Posted - 2008.01.10 22:33:00 - [8] Edited by: Panch0Villa on 10/01/2008 22:34:17 Perhaps, in this modern Eve age, we could say that a ss is created while warping between two celestial objects, preferably 40 AU away from any celestial objects. This means that to find you, anyone would have to warp along your same path and scan you down. A deep safe could be created by warping from one ss to another ss, and is not only away from celestial objects, but also outside of the normal plane of the solar system. This would indeed be a pain to scan out, but it is no longer possible to create a deep ss as Corbon mentioned. There is no true "safespot" in any solar system, it's only a matter of time and scan probes. If you have a cloak otoh...
Gloria Stitz	Posted - 2008.01.10 22:51:00 - [9] Edited by: Gloria Stitz on 10/01/2008 22:52:58 You ain't going to make deep safes by not warping. Even doing 10km/sec, 1 au will take 173 days non-stop no gonnae happen ------------- 'Don't try to learn Eve all at once, otherwise your brain will explode' - Albert Einstein ------------
Weeaboot	Posted - 2008.01.10 23:10:00 - [10] YOu used to be able to right click on a system and create a bookmark with random coordinates. That bookmark could be a deep safe.
Orar Ironfist Incarnation of Evil Nocturnal Legion	Posted - 2008.01.10 23:33:00 - [11] Originally by: Panch0Villa Edited by: Panch0Villa on 10/01/2008 22:34:17 Perhaps, in this modern Eve age, we could say that a ss is created while warping between two celestial objects, preferably 40 AU away from any celestial objects. This means that to find you, anyone would have to warp along your same path and scan you down. A deep safe could be created by warping from one ss to another ss, and is not only away from celestial objects, but also outside of the normal plane of the solar system. This would indeed be a pain to scan out, but it is no longer possible to create a deep ss as Corbon mentioned. There is no true "safespot" in any solar system, it's only a matter of time and scan probes. If you have a cloak otoh... This Please dear god mods dont nerf this sig too its the 6th freakin one ive put up Ok we'll keep this one. ~Saint Who says carebears can't be cute?. Navigator Let me at it, let me at it - Scrappy Doo
Helen Hunts Gallente Red Dragon Mining inc Red Dragon Industries	Posted - 2008.01.11 02:17:00 - [12] Way back in the day (many many nerfs ago), it was possible to run with more than 1 MWD running at a time. (and you though nano-ships were fast) Multiple MWDs running together stacked for some rather impressive speeds, to say the least. Even so, it still took several weeks of non-stop travel to get far enough out to make a Deep SS. A Deep SS was commonly a spot with several secure cans anchored with ammo and such for when a friendly station/POS wasn't necessarily available. Currently, making a Deep SS....isn't really feasable to try. (How many years are YOU going to devote an account to flying out into the void?) Breaking into a Deep SS....you'd need some inside help getting there. _______________________________ Mine da rocks, make more ships. Pop da rats, make more rigs. Sell da gear, make more money. Any Questions?
Gartel Reiman Project F3	Posted - 2008.01.11 08:47:00 - [13] Originally by: Panch0Villa Perhaps, in this modern Eve age, we could say that a ss is created while warping between two celestial objects, preferably 40 AU away from any celestial objects. This means that to find you, anyone would have to warp along your same path and scan you down. Two things here - firstly, you can initally create safespots by warping between two celestial objects. But then you can make more safespots warping between your safespot and a celestial object, or even two of your safespots. You can make safespots between other safespots for whatever degree you deem necessary until it will be almost impossible for someone else to choose the exact same moment as you to create the dozen or so intermediate safespots. Also, someone won't scan you down while warping, at least not with scan probes. They might be able to see you on the direction scanner, if they're using it, but this won't let them arrive at your location. They'd have to launch scan probes to do this, and these cannot be launched in warp - so scanning you down by warping between celestial objects doesn't make much sense. Quote: There is no true "safespot" in any solar system, it's only a matter of time and scan probes. If you have a cloak otoh... While this is true, you can consider any point more than 40 AU away from a celestial object a deep safespot, as the covops pilots trying to scan you will not have anything to warp to that is within range of even the longest range probes. The only reason why this is not 100% safe is simply that if you were able to create the safespot there, the same method will theoretically be possible to the covops pilot and so has the ability, in theory, to create a safespot within 40 AU of you and start scanning from there. Unless you're in a system that is known for a lot of hiding, chances are that the covops pilot won't have a network of BMs covering the vast majority of the system.
Tharsgaard Caldari Delta Technologies	Posted - 2008.01.11 09:00:00 - [14] Edited by: Tharsgaard on 11/01/2008 09:04:10 A few of you are passing out the wrong info here. The longest range probe for finding ship's in safespots have a 1000 (one thousand) AU range. (Observator Deep Space Probe It does have the same symbol as the Exploration probes which may be throwing some of you off. That used to be a good method of making these Deep safe's, because the accuracy (how close the probes result from the target would warp you too) used to be far greater than it is now, meaning if you used, say, a shuttle, (making the accuracy that bit more farther out because of small size) you could get a result quite far out, then warp the shuttle and the probe ship to the new safe, probe again and get a result even farther out, etc, etc..... --------------- Originally by: Tarminic Just so you know, I hope you all die in an extensive electrical fire.
Vync Caldari Sex Education	Posted - 2008.02.15 15:58:00 - [15] so there really is no plausible way to create a deep space safespot, say, 1000'ish AU away from any celestial object?
Ralara Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.15 17:16:00 - [16] Originally by: Corbon Hydrashock I imagine that you could dedicate a Inty to the job, these days, and take a week or so (maybe more) of logging in, and letting it MWD itself in a direction all day, every day? Nope. 1AU = 150 million KM (give or take). Assuming you have snakes and 4 domination overdrives and a gisti MWD you'll be doing, what, 15, 16km/sec? Let's say an impossible 30km/sec 30 x 3600 (one hour) = 108,000 km in 1 hour 108,000km x 23 hours = 2,484,000 km in 1 Eve Day (2.484 million km) 2,484,000km x 365 days (1 year) = 906,660,000 km = 6.044 AUs.... something it takes an interceptor less than 1 second to travel over warp speeds :-) To get a Deep Safe (over 40 AU from the furthest planet) you'd need - 6.6 years of logging in every single day, and heading in the same direction without a break :-) And that's assuming going twice the speed as practically possible. -- Sir, I don't understand why we train for ECM, sir - in a fleet battle all you got to do is press buttons. THE ENEMY CANNOT PRESS A BUTTON IF YOU DISABLE HIS LOCK. MEDIC!
Jim Nakamura Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.15 18:46:00 - [17] Indeed... the ridiculous level of warp speed makes the systems in EVE seem much smaller than they actually are. 6 AU/s works out at about 3,000x lightspeed, or, in laymans terms, 900 million kilometres per second. For want of a better word, the distances are astronomical...
Billy Sastard Amarr Life. Universe. Everything.	Posted - 2008.02.15 21:02:00 - [18] Originally by: Vync so there really is no plausible way to create a deep space safespot, say, 1000'ish AU away from any celestial object? I do believe that this is not possible anymore. -=^=-
Kahega Amielden	Posted - 2008.02.16 01:04:00 - [19] If you can find someone with a deep safespot he can copy his and give it to you.
Jameroz Art of War	Posted - 2008.02.16 10:09:00 - [20] Originally by: Vync so there really is no plausible way to create a deep space safespot, say, 1000'ish AU away from any celestial object? You can pretty much forget it. I think most people refer any safespot beyond 40 au range as deep safe as there is only probe able to find that far away and even with that it's pretty hard. I think it would had taken kinda long to make 1000 AU safespots. To be honest I think Deep Space Observer Probe should have unlimited range inside system node, but dunno if that's doable. Or maybe there shouldn't be bookmarks outside the solar system? Atleast not over 1000 au from sun. You shouldn't think you're safe in safespot unless you have a cloak!
ThaDollaGenerale The Bloody Red Souls Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2008.02.16 10:42:00 - [21] Generally, a decent deep safe is 20+ AU from anything. The longest range ship probes suck.
pandymen The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.02.16 11:21:00 - [22] ...No safespot is safe if you just sit there uncloaked. Get a cloak, and you change that entirely.....Anyone that tells you otherwise does not know what they are talking about. 1K AU probes may suck, but when you have 20 second scan time, you usually find someone's rough area in under 1 minute easy. But if you think you are safe 20 AU away from everything, you are sorely mistaken. Even if I used just 20 AU probes I'd probably find you because I usually toss a few around the system to cover almost all space between planets.

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