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Zeba
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Posted - 2008.01.10 21:59:00 -
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Hmmm. T2 mining frig I like. Team it up with a blockade runner and ninja mine in 0.0 for the good stuff. 
 Originally by: Richard Phallus
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Posted - 2008.01.10 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: Paulo Damarr
Asteroid Assault ship bonus: 100% to the ability of sitting in your hanger doing nothing and 100% bonus to bankruptcy rate of owner
A T2 mining frigate sounds great in principle just like the way a combat frigate with high resists and more powergrid and hardpoints sounds but look at how AFs turned out.
Wait what? Why would it sit in the hanger and bankrupt a player? And AF have the mass of a cruiser and the agility of a bc, thats why they suck. Give it a frigs mass and agility and you would see them all over the place.
Originally by: Richard Phallus
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Zeba
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Posted - 2008.01.10 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Paulo Damarr
Its highly unlikely that they will be superior to a cheap mining cruiser and probably cost more like I said look at AFs and at EVEs current trends hoping for cloaking mining ships etc is not going to happen.
Mining yeild is not the only thing this idea is for, its also the ability to reach unsafe areas and mine them. I've used plenty of ospreys in low sec to mine and whilst it is good vs the rats its crap vs players. So my only choice is to evade and it does an okay job once your in a belt but I would still get caught out at gates by roving gangs. The T1 mining frigs address this by warping fast like a frig and evading pretty much all the camps but its pitiful yeild and cargo made this ability kinda pointless. So in steps a T2 mining frig with both evasion and yeild. Fills a missing role yes? 
Originally by: Richard Phallus
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Zeba
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Posted - 2008.01.10 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: Dzil
You could probably use the new compression technology to get your fail density down to a reasonable level, but then the thread won't be flame stable.
Sounds like someone doesn't want more mining competition cruising around minin' ur roids in low sec and 0.0. 
Originally by: Richard Phallus
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Zeba
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Posted - 2008.01.12 02:44:00 -
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Originally by: Thenoran
Mining in low-sec just ain't worth it.
Why? Because its not the top isk high end ore like in 0.0? It's certainly better isk than empire mining and there are stations to dock at and refine to boot. The problem with low sec/0.0 minng is that its too easy to gank miners in anything but a t1 mining frig and as stated thats not really an option due to the low yield. I'd love to move back into low sec but my poor osprey just can't hack all the new fangled gate camping tools the pirates have so why not give us poor miners who by the way supply all the minerals for your pretty gank ships to have a chance to actually mine.
Originally by: Richard Phallus
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Posted - 2008.01.13 03:14:00 -
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Originally by: Del Narveux
A mining frigate would be a really bad idea, quite simply theres no point. Specifically, heres the problems I see with a T2 mining frigate:
-Extremely expensive compared to t1 barges, and not all that great compared to exhumers either considering that since there's no BPO handouts anymore the prices will be jacked up like EAFs.
-Low yield would make them suck vs barges in highsec
-Low-ish cargo space would make them suck vs anything in lowsec/.0 ninja. Mining is all good and well, but if you cant carry the ore its not so useful...
-Lowsec ore isnt *that* much better than highsec when accounting for all the intangibles, particularly if you ditch your strip-mining barge for a little frigate. This is the same logic behind the failure of using high-QL agents to lure mission runners to lowsec.
That all being said, I do agree that the non-combat professions need some ship hulls (particularly miniprofessions). But the benefits of a T2 mining frig just dont overcome the negatives. Maybe a cruiser or something.
You missed the whole point of a T2 mining frig. Better yield than the T1 version hopefully as good as a cruiser/med barge and the ability to evade gate camps. Yes the cruisers and barges have good to excellent yield but unfortunatly will get caught every time at a camp or even in the belts if your not eyeing local like a hawk and your hunter has some skill. As it stands low sec has the biggest roids in the game due to the fact noone ever mines the damn things. We need something a couple of people could ninja into low sec with and get some of the high end minerals not available in high sec like zyd and nonlol amounts of nox. A T2 mining frig and a T2 blockade runner could pull some impressive amounts of isk out of low sec if only the T2 mining frig existed. 
Originally by: Richard Phallus
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