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Vecton
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Posted - 2008.01.11 09:12:00 -
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Edited by: Vecton on 11/01/2008 09:15:37
I'm a new player, and it sort of looks like they discourage pvp. 10 seconds after attacking someone (asteroid field .7), the police npc's swarm in.
Now I know you could say "just go out to 0.0 space to fight", but I've flown around there for hours scanning. The only miners / industrials were afk behind forcefields. Even seeing someone who wants to smash my little frigate would be nice, hardly a soul out there.
So how to make it so they don't come as fast, want to have some pvp in EVE.
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Guilliman R
Gallente Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.01.11 09:14:00 -
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Edited by: Guilliman R on 11/01/2008 09:13:55 try lowsec 0.1 - 0.4
oh wait, noone goes there because they get blown up, stop waisting other people's time and pve! ---sig---
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Fink Angel
Caldari The Merry Men
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Posted - 2008.01.11 09:16:00 -
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Go to Jita and buy up all the space donuts, and sell them to Concord.
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Slickdrac
Minmatar Replicatorz
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Posted - 2008.01.11 09:34:00 -
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Remind them that they'll have to fill out all sorts of paperwork afterward?
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gheyfer
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Posted - 2008.01.11 10:09:00 -
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Edited by: gheyfer on 11/01/2008 10:09:26
Originally by: Vecton Edited by: Vecton on 11/01/2008 09:21:20
10 seconds after attacking someone (asteroid field .7), the police npc's swarm in.
Now you could say "just go out to 0.0 space to fight", but I've flown around there for hours scanning. Most miners / industrials were afk behind forcefields.
So how to make it so they don't come as fast,
CONCORD response time will be slower in a 0.6 and so forth.
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RaTTuS
BIG Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2008.01.11 10:13:00 -
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but avoiding them is an exploit
to the op .. just kill in 0.4 and below -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve [Now Verified] & Recruiting
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2008.01.11 10:14:00 -
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Incidentally it is definately possible to take out a miner or industrial in 0.9 or 1.0 before CONCORD arrive. It happens almost daily in Jita. ---- Anything less is wasted effort |
Ecatherina W
Gallente Core Domination Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2008.01.11 10:35:00 -
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Edited by: Ecatherina W on 11/01/2008 10:36:27 I have twice been a part of taking out a miner in 0.9 and 0.8 systems. Two thoraxes fittet for ganking can take out a Makariel faster than Concord takes out the thoraxes in a 0.9 system. From initial attack to all pilots in pods was 27 seconds, but darn, it was 27 fun seconds!
It is possible to slightly delay Concord response time, I think (dunno, and I am sure it would be an exploit) by creating a disturbance in a part of the system far from the intended victim. Depends on if Concord is a limited resource per system or not.
... no, I don't do high sec ganks for a living, there was a reason...
***** Ecatherina W ***** Empress of the Multiverse
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Renox
Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.01.11 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: Vecton Edited by: Vecton on 11/01/2008 09:21:20
10 seconds after attacking someone (asteroid field .7), the police npc's swarm in.
Now you could say "just go out to 0.0 space to fight", but I've flown around there for hours scanning. Most miners / industrials were afk behind forcefields.
So how to make it so they don't come as fast,
attack anyone in space with a sec rating of 0.5 or more and CONCORD HAS to kill you or you can be petitioned for exploiting. So want to kill someone do it in 0.4 space or lower or gank up and kill someone in less then 10 seconds, you still die when they arrive though.
TheJay > grrr slow stupid garlic eating surrender monkeys |
SketS
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Posted - 2008.01.11 11:33:00 -
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question towards CCP here, if i indeed should start ganking players in high sec because of random boredom and r able to run away before concord jumps in how is this an exploit? just means im beating the game right?
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Sleepkevert
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2008.01.11 11:38:00 -
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Yeah right, good luck trying to run away, concord will folow you, instaneut, instascram you as soon as they arrive. _______
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Lais Eron
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Posted - 2008.01.11 11:38:00 -
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ok what i heard is that Concord specifically spawns for your gank so Concord that responded to another gank in system won't do **** about your gank, instead new Concord ships will spawn on the same grind and omgwtfbbq you
however reported Concord response times are very different for systems of same security, for 0.5 i heard it's 15 seconds up to 30 seconds, so there might be some other factions besides system sec that influence their spawning time - some people say that player's security status has a bearing on how quickly Concord responds
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Jurgen Cartis
Caldari Interstellar Corporation of Exploration
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Posted - 2008.01.11 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Lais Eron Edited by: Lais Eron on 11/01/2008 11:38:37 ok what i heard is that Concord specifically spawns for your gank so Concord that responded to another gank in system won't do **** about your gank, instead new Concord ships will spawn on the same grind and omgwtfbbq you
however reported Concord response times are very different for systems of same security, for 0.5 i heard it's 15 seconds up to 30 seconds, so there might be some other factors besides system sec that influence their spawning time - some people say that player's security status has a bearing on how quickly Concord responds
Nope, any CONCORD sitting around nearby will respond to fresh aggressions. And they lock down targets FAST. Had a Raven try to salvo my Kestrel, only 1 missile out of his volley actually hit (and they went off pretty much simultaneously), which means they can lock/scram/jam/neut in the time between the first missile striking and the second. However, they have to spawn first. -------------------- ICE Blueprint Sales FIRST!! -Yipsilanti Pfft. Never such a thing as a "last chance". ;) -Rauth |
Zaknussem
Caldari The Ironbreakers
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Posted - 2008.01.11 14:06:00 -
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Stupid question of the day here: What happens if you're sitting by a hi-sec stargate leading into a low-sec system, attack someone and immediately jump through the gate? Does the gate shut down on you so you can't escape? Do the sentry guns (if any) on the other side open fire on you? Does CONCORD follow? |
Kasak Black
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.01.11 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Zaknussem Stupid question of the day here: What happens if you're sitting by a hi-sec stargate leading into a low-sec system, attack someone and immediately jump through the gate? Does the gate shut down on you so you can't escape? Do the sentry guns (if any) on the other side open fire on you? Does CONCORD follow?
The Sentry guns open fire right off the bat, that'll take you down pretty sharpish if you're in something small. But I believe the gate wont let you jump through into the low sec system once you've commited to combat in the high sec syste, I maybe wrong on that one.
As for CONCORD following, I think they do, again I maybe wrong though.
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Velnah Nav'skar
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Posted - 2008.01.11 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Zaknussem Stupid question of the day here: What happens if you're sitting by a hi-sec stargate leading into a low-sec system, attack someone and immediately jump through the gate? Does the gate shut down on you so you can't escape? Do the sentry guns (if any) on the other side open fire on you? Does CONCORD follow?
Stargates won't allow you to jump for a minute after your act of aggression ends. Concord will most certainly have you dead by then. Same with stations. You're not permitted to dock until a minute has elapsed since the end of your attack.
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Blind Jhon
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Posted - 2008.01.11 15:05:00 -
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well suppose i warp in at 200km from a station, out sentry rang, in the cold nothing..... in a 0.8 sistem, whit a cover ops, activate a smart bomb and suddenly i turn on my covert ops cloacking II, and start waping to safespot in safespot for 15 minutes... then i'm endeed free isn't it?? or my iedea is as blind as me??
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The Djego
Minmatar FORTES FORTUNA ADIUVAT CORP. The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.01.11 15:16:00 -
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Edited by: The Djego on 11/01/2008 15:18:11 Your Smartbomb has to hit a neutral Target to provide a Concord Spawn.
Concord will soon(about 1-2 Seconds after you arive) visit you on your Save Spot. Also Cloaking donŠt work against Concord. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! |
Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.01.11 15:18:00 -
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A time dilation device. -
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Bish Ounen
Gallente Omni-Core Freedom Fighters Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.01.11 15:22:00 -
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Edited by: Bish Ounen on 11/01/2008 15:23:44 Ok, there seems to be some confusion here, so I will try and clear it up for you.
1) There is no way for you to delay or stop a CONCORD response. Period. They have unlimited ships and can warp instantly. If you are in hisec and attack a non-war target player, they WILL come get you as fast as possible.
2) Using ANY mechanic of ANY KIND to avoid being popped by CONCORD when you have been bad IS AN EXPLOIT AND CAN GET YOU BANNED. PERIOD, END OF DISCUSSION.
Seriously. If you wanna be a pirate, go to lowsec or nosec and attack the people out there. If you wanna kill someone, and they are in a player corp in hisec, use the wardec system to go get them. If you don't want to use the wardec system, or they are in an NPC corp, then you will have to suicide gank them, and accept losing your ship to CONCORD. That's just the way it works, get used to it. Now stop asking people on the forums how to "get around" the game rules. Not only will we NOT help you, you'll probably get banned for violating forum rules. (silly newbies )
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RaAshan
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Posted - 2008.01.11 15:30:00 -
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what if you eject from your ship right before concord arrives?
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2008.01.11 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: RaAshan what if you eject from your ship right before concord arrives?
Then they shoot your ship. There is a video somewhere wherein someone ejected from hundreds of shuttles and then aggroed concord and filmed the fireworks. ---- Anything less is wasted effort |
Pilk
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.01.11 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: RaAshan what if you eject from your ship right before concord arrives?
CONCORD pops your ship, and you still have a global criminal flag.
--P
Kosh: The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. Tyrrax's bet status: UNPAID. |
Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2008.01.11 15:35:00 -
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Actually, what happens if someone else boards your ship before Concord arrives? Is that possible? ---- Anything less is wasted effort |
Gawain Hill
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Posted - 2008.01.11 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Bish Ounen Edited by: Bish Ounen on 11/01/2008 15:23:44 Ok, there seems to be some confusion here, so I will try and clear it up for you.
1) There is no way for you to delay or stop a CONCORD response. Period. They have unlimited ships and can warp instantly. If you are in hisec and attack a non-war target player, they WILL come get you as fast as possible.
2) Using ANY mechanic of ANY KIND to avoid being popped by CONCORD when you have been bad IS AN EXPLOIT AND CAN GET YOU BANNED. PERIOD, END OF DISCUSSION.
Seriously. If you wanna be a pirate, go to lowsec or nosec and attack the people out there. If you wanna kill someone, and they are in a player corp in hisec, use the wardec system to go get them. If you don't want to use the wardec system, or they are in an NPC corp, then you will have to suicide gank them, and accept losing your ship to CONCORD. That's just the way it works, get used to it. Now stop asking people on the forums how to "get around" the game rules. Not only will we NOT help you, you'll probably get banned for violating forum rules. (silly newbies )
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so what you're sayin is it's difficult to avoid being popped by concord if you shoot a non war target in empire right?
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Bish Ounen
Gallente Omni-Core Freedom Fighters Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.01.11 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Gawain Hill
Originally by: Bish Ounen Edited by: Bish Ounen on 11/01/2008 15:23:44 Ok, there seems to be some confusion here, so I will try and clear it up for you.
1) There is no way for you to delay or stop a CONCORD response. Period. They have unlimited ships and can warp instantly. If you are in hisec and attack a non-war target player, they WILL come get you as fast as possible.
2) Using ANY mechanic of ANY KIND to avoid being popped by CONCORD when you have been bad IS AN EXPLOIT AND CAN GET YOU BANNED. PERIOD, END OF DISCUSSION.
Seriously. If you wanna be a pirate, go to lowsec or nosec and attack the people out there. If you wanna kill someone, and they are in a player corp in hisec, use the wardec system to go get them. If you don't want to use the wardec system, or they are in an NPC corp, then you will have to suicide gank them, and accept losing your ship to CONCORD. That's just the way it works, get used to it. Now stop asking people on the forums how to "get around" the game rules. Not only will we NOT help you, you'll probably get banned for violating forum rules. (silly newbies )
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so what you're sayin is it's difficult to avoid being popped by concord if you shoot a non war target in empire right?
I'm not saying that's it's difficult OR easy, I'm saying it's NOT ALLOWED. Don't even bother trying. The GM's monitor all CONCORD responses and they WILL notice if you do manage to get away. At that point the GM's will MANUALLY pop your ship, and then punish you will either a temp or permaban from the game.
Now stop asking how to cheat.
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SketS
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Posted - 2008.01.12 10:31:00 -
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Ok, but thats stupid. Lets be honest if the system isnt made faulproof it was not intended to be. If it was would CCP not just neutralise ur ship and make it unable to move till concord can pop you? As far as im concerned outflying CONCORD is not an exploit, its a skill. If it was not meant to be that way, fix it not that hard to do.
so again my question towards CCP: Is this truly an exploit and if so why??? All it means is ur dang quick in w/e ship ur in that u can outrun concord....
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Guilliman R
Gallente Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.01.12 10:32:00 -
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Originally by: SketS Ok, but thats stupid. Lets be honest if the system isnt made faulproof it was not intended to be. If it was would CCP not just neutralise ur ship and make it unable to move till concord can pop you? As far as im concerned outflying CONCORD is not an exploit, its a skill. If it was not meant to be that way, fix it not that hard to do.
so again my question towards CCP: Is this truly an exploit and if so why??? All it means is ur dang quick in w/e ship ur in that u can outrun concord....
I think you're an ass to be perfectly honest. Your ignorance is bliss. ---sig---
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