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Lprezidente
Minmatar Personal Vendetta
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Posted - 2008.01.11 15:30:00 -
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Edited by: Lprezidente on 11/01/2008 15:31:14 A more than adequate set up is ** Use T2 where you can, otherwise best named**
H 6 x arby cruise launchers 1 x TB 1 x empty, put something else here, (i fly CNR so i do not have an empty slot due to the xtra launcher)
M 1 x X-Large shield booster 1 x shield boost amp 4 x race shield hardeners (check eve survival guide for mission rats and damage dealt and received)
L 3 x ballistic control units 2 x power diagnostic units
RIGS
3 x capacitor control circuits
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.01.11 16:00:00 -
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Quote: My Raven was equipped with the following:
HIGH 06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I 01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1 01 x SALVAGER I
MEDIUM 04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS 01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM 01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER
LOW 01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL 01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I 01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I 02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I
DRONES 02 x WARRIOR I DRONES 03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES
UPGRADES 01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I 01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I 01 x HYDRAULIC BAY THRUSTER I
No offense, but that's a terrible, terrible, terrible fit. I don't know if you could complete L3's in that thing.
Your hi slots are fine, every single other module needs to be replaced.
The best advice I can give is to go to the Ships and Modules forum, look for the "Ships setup index" sticky at the top and spend several hours reading all the different caldari battleship setup threads to get an idea what 'normal' fittings are. There are many different combinations you can use to successfully run L4 missions.
Your set up is not one of them.
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Sandeep
Raptus Regaliter
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Posted - 2008.01.11 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Artryder Sorry guys for the repeated post. I assure you it was not done on purpose. I left my computer momentarily, and my son decided to have some fun.
Thanks for all the advice. I appreciate it.
1. Edit all of your duplicate posts and just blank the content out
2a. Lprezidente's setup suggestion sounds good. However, I would not start using Arbalest yet because they are about 15 mil a piece. Use Malkuth first so your next loss won't hurt too badly.
2b. Swap a BCS for PDS. It helps cap a bit more, and is not penalized for stacking.
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Traska Gannel
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Posted - 2008.01.11 16:30:00 -
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Edited by: Traska Gannel on 11/01/2008 16:33:26 Edited by: Traska Gannel on 11/01/2008 16:32:06 Hi there,
I think the main problem is in the fitting you have chosen. A Raven is not a drake and does not passive tank well - it does not have resistance bonuses. An earlier poster put up what I consider the "standard" fitting for a Raven without explaining it - so I'll add a little explanation.
Originally by: Artryder My Raven was equipped with the following:
HIGH 06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I 01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1 01 x SALVAGER I
MEDIUM 04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS 01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM 01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER
LOW 01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL 01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I 01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I 02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I
DRONES 02 x WARRIOR I DRONES 03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES
UPGRADES 01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I 01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I
"Standard" Raven fitting:
HIGH: 6x Cruise missile launcher (best you can fit/buy) 2 other modules - I like to use 1 x Drone Link Augmentor which extends the maximum drone range by 20km and either 1 x Heavy NOS (best usable) or 1 x turret just for a little extra damage A tractor and salvager are ok if you want to loot and salvage as the mission progresses but I come back with a dedicated loot/salvage ship when the mission is complete.
MID:
A raven is usually considered a shield tank ship because a) It has more shields than armour b) It has more mid slots than low slots
You need reasonable shield skills. Also, since the Raven has no innate shield resistances it needs shield hardeners to help. Shield extenders offer additional shield but a 50% resistance effectively doubles the entire shield hit points vs the specific damage type. You can find out what damage to expect in any mission using the in game browser and www.eve-survival.org - kill mission survival guide. Also the mission description tells you the type of pirates. The typical damage done by those pirates is something every mission runner needs to know.
Standard mid slots:
1 XL shield booster 1 shield boost amplifier 2 pirate specific primary damage active hardeners (T2 or better preferred) 1 pirate specific secondary damage active hardener 1 invulnerability field (useful in missions doing multiple damage types)
The invulnerability field could be swapped out for an afterburner, sensor booster or other situation dependent module - depending on the mission.
LOWS:
In a Raven the low slots are usually used to augment the damage and tank.
2 or 3 x BCS - Ballistic control systems - these improve BOTH damage and rate of fire for launchers giving a big boost to damage. Even with stacking penalties the 3rd BCS still gives at least a 10% cumulative increase to total damage from launchers.
2 or 3 x PDS - power diagnostic systems - these increase total shield, cap and shield and cap regeneration as well as overall powergrid. They are just generally useful for a shield tanking, cap intensive setup.
RIGS:
The "standard" rigs could be considered CCC's - capacitor control circuits - each increasing the cap regen. Cap is used for both the booster and the active hardeners and the shield tank is heavily capacitor reliant - so anything that increases the capacitor capability is good. Other choices will work too.
Finally, some general comments, never fit ECM modules for mission running - pirates aren't affected the same way as players. Don't use armour hardeners on a shield tank - if you are worried fit a damage control unit instead - much more effective and helps the shield a little (remember to turn it on!). Don't fit a Warp core stabilizer it cuts range by 50% and greatly increases lock time. Choose drones for a mission that do the appropriate damage for the pirates. Choose missiles that match the weakness of the pirates. A medium shield booster is too small for the amount of damage dealt in level 4 missions.
Hope that helps!
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Greenwing
SuX ltd. Rare Faction
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Posted - 2008.01.11 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Andrue Edited by: Andrue on 11/01/2008 15:11:59 Anyway as regards running L4 solo - sure. It's very possible. Loads of people do it all the time. You need T2 equipment as a minimum and you need to know what you're doing.
With standard T1 equipment you can also do any mission, it's the last part of your sentence which is most important, know what you are doing. As long as you don't know that you will loose a ship once in a while.
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Zo5o
Gallente Longcat is Long
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Posted - 2008.01.11 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Artryder My Raven was equipped with the following:
HIGH 06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I 01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1 01 x SALVAGER I
MEDIUM 04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS 01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM 01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER
LOW 01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL 01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I 01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I 02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I
DRONES 02 x WARRIOR I DRONES 03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES
UPGRADES 01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I 01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I
This is now copypasta.
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Yuleth Gix
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Posted - 2008.01.11 19:19:00 -
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Edited by: Yuleth Gix on 11/01/2008 19:19:12
Originally by: Sandeep
Originally by: Artryder Sorry guys for the repeated post. I assure you it was not done on purpose. I left my computer momentarily, and my son decided to have some fun.
Thanks for all the advice. I appreciate it.
1. Edit all of your duplicate posts and just blank the content out
2a. Lprezidente's setup suggestion sounds good. However, I would not start using Arbalest yet because they are about 15 mil a piece. Use Malkuth first so your next loss won't hurt too badly.
2b. Swap a BCS for PDS. It helps cap a bit more, and is not penalized for stacking.
Rebuttal
1. NO NO NO why would you have him edit out all those wondeful posts. I almost choked laughing at them :)
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Checkis Khan
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Posted - 2008.01.11 21:12:00 -
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May I suggest to you (and to all other new players out there) to not go directly to a level 4 mission, "just" because you got what you thought was a better ship.
If you were doing L3 missions in a Drake, why would you then have assumed that you could do a L4 mission, "just" because you got a Raven?
It would be wiser to have taken some L3 missions in your raven, to get to know it, to test the differences from what you were used to.
Targetting takes longer in a bigger ship Ship turns slower You take more damage from large missiles in a bigger ship Your resistances were for sure different Your drake most likely had better gear than this raven
All in all, many reasons to try things out slowly, ... in your case, actually 190 million reasons.
FYI - A Raven does not mean you are safer in missions than your Drake You "might" be able to deal more damage, (were your cruise skills as high as your heavies were?)
I have tried a small variety of Battleships on L4 missions, but none seems for me to work as well as my Drake setup. I have still not been in a L4 mission I can't solo in my Drake. (I have ~24M SP, and have sone L4 for over a year now)
Hint on Recon (1 of 3) is to approach the gate, and as soon as you spawn the first wave, align to a station, with a more-or-less clear field for rats, and get ready to warp if you feel in trouble. Always get rid of the little buggers (webber/scrambler-frigs) - not only do they die in a single salvo or two, they are also dps as long as they live. (So are all rats)
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Checkis Khan
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Posted - 2008.01.11 21:15:00 -
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Also, a suggestion to surviving missions, would be using sites such as http://www.eveinfo.com/ (I grant you, "Recon" is not on this DB list - but it is discussed in the forums there)
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Daanika
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Posted - 2008.01.11 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: Iluminat Two warp core stabilizers equipped? You need to fit your ship to kill Not to run away you Punk. Feel lucky
Quote of the Week!
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Vikarion
Caldari United Heavens
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Posted - 2008.01.12 00:44:00 -
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As a person new to EvE, and to level 4s in particular, I think I have a unique viewpoint on this...
First, what others said about your fitting is correct. You do need to fit a proper shield tank.
Skill-wise, it is very possible to run level 4s at low skill point amounts, I myself only have 3.7 million, and I can run most L4s with no trouble. I have no special talent, however: I simply prepare well.
Before I ran a single level 4 mission, I read many, many articles about how to shield tank, I ran a truly disgusting amount of level 3 missions, made my mistakes with a much less expensive ship, and generally got to know the ins and outs of staying alive.
Every ship has a "feel" to it, which is generally how well it performs under stress. Get to know your ship before you baptize it in fire. Also, be able to afford losing it.
You need, above everything else, caution without stupidity, and a good amount of SP in both missiles and shield/cap skills. By "good", I mean a bare minimum of rank 3 in all relevant skills.
Using straight t1 modules is a no-no. Period. Named are ok, although t2 is standard and faction is sweet. (Literally! Have you ever had a faction shield booster on toast? Delicious!) But you don't NEED t2 gear...it just makes things much easier and less risky.
Run about 3-4 missions with a corp mate until you get a good idea on what you're up against. This will save your life. There is nothing like experience.
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The Djego
Minmatar FORTES FORTUNA ADIUVAT CORP. The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.01.12 13:57:00 -
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Edited by: The Djego on 12/01/2008 13:58:36 Reacon against Angels. As I done it 2 Weeks ago I was realy suprised I allmost got the style I played Missions a year ago. I managed to speedtank it with my Domi but it was still a hard one since I was unalbe to kill the spawns in time before the next ones arived.
At the beginning of Level 4 Missions you have to be very carefull with a BS and a avoid some of the harder Missins, with better skills and propper Fitting you can start give them a try, prefere to do them in a team when you run this Missions the first time.
Missions to avoid in the beginning:
- Pirate Slaugter - Worlds Collide - The Assault - Atack of the Drones(The Mission is not that hard itself but a Mistake can spawn you a untankable amout of DPS real quick) - Silence the Informat(again not that hard in general but can be preaty mean if you do something wrong like shooting the Sentrys first) - Reacon - Mordus Headhunters(also not that hard but 2. Stage can get ugly if you draw full aggro in the start) - Damsel in Distress
Also read the Mission guides and what kind of Hardners you need for the Mission. Try the Raven Fittings here, read the other Fitting threads and test a bit for finding the setup that suits you. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Originally by: Jonny JoJo
425 II In PVE? Surely hybrid users use Blaster in PvE.
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Thiefy McBackstab
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Posted - 2008.01.12 17:09:00 -
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Edited by: Thiefy McBackstab on 12/01/2008 17:12:30 Wow... When I first did l4 missions I lost my maelstrom on the third mission :( I admit I had crap skills and a terrible build but I've gotten better! (malestrom and raven pretty much same shield tank build) The one I am using now acually lets me tank pretty much everything afk since it's cap stable.
However, without decent skills yours won't be.
Highs: Raveny, stuff. Doesn't matter Meds: XL Best Named (unless you can use t2, but it only reps every 5seconds) Shield Amp x2 Three Rat Specific Hardeners Lows: x4 Cap Power Relays (Yes! I know this decreases shield boost, but I still get around 700-900 boost) Damage mod
Rigs CCC x3
Runs missions great, but I trained tank way before gank. Still working on that.
Hmm, oops wrong character, oh well
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marie claude
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.01.13 06:06:00 -
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hahaha recon 1/3 first two run in a shuttle get in get out get paid #3 skip it or tank up your shield pack a dc2 as well in case it gets to structure fit an ab and cap injector xl shield boost and the rest invuls t2 if u got em,lows all pdu and dc2
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Steyr Daghan
thx for all the fish Minuit.
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Posted - 2008.01.13 11:15:00 -
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Edited by: Steyr Daghan on 13/01/2008 11:15:49
Originally by: Myyona
Originally by: Artryder My Raven was equipped with the following:
HIGH 06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I 01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1 01 x SALVAGER I
MEDIUM 04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS 01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM 01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER
LOW 01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL 01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I 01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I 02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I
DRONES 02 x WARRIOR I DRONES 03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES
UPGRADES 01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I 01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I 01 x HYDRAULIC BAY THRUSTER I
What the...?
Please got to the Ships and Modules forum to get some help on a setup.
/Signed
That's possibly the worst raven mission-setup I have seen. Ever.
EDIT: Spelling only.
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Steyr Daghan
thx for all the fish Minuit.
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Posted - 2008.01.13 11:18:00 -
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No, I thought about it and I was wrong.
That was without the shadow of a doubt the worst Raven mission-seup I have ever seen or heard about. It should get some kind of award.
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Calshim
Monty Python's Ministry of Stupidity
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Posted - 2008.01.14 05:00:00 -
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That setup was a joke right ? it was wasn't it ? it HAD to be a joke ?
If it's not a joke then well I don't really know what to say it's just so wrong on so many levels.
Only 1 way to go with a Raven setup
All T2 / Faction or best named isk permitting.
Hi's 6 x Cruise Launchers 1 x Tractor ( for the go fetch and bring back missions) 1 x Empty / Whatever Loot/Salvage with another ship at the end of the mission if you must, Cormorant is ideal for this.
Mid's
1 x XL SB 1 x Shield Boost Amplifier 4 x Rat specific active hardeners
Low's
2/3 x BCU 2/3 x PDU
Switch to 2 PDU's / 3 BCU's as skills permit.
Rigs
3 x CCC
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Chantal DeWinter
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Posted - 2008.01.14 07:54:00 -
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It seems, whatever dropped and had a shade of blue or purple went into this Raven setup.
Fitting a ship in Eve needs some "reading" and "understanding" prior of "levelling up".
Besides the three-letter-name - eve has nothing to do with the Evil "W-Word"
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Gadawan
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Posted - 2008.01.14 08:56:00 -
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Edited by: Gadawan on 14/01/2008 08:58:08
Originally by: Andrue Edited by: Andrue on 11/01/2008 15:11:59 Anyway as regards running L4 solo - sure. It's very possible. Loads of people do it all the time. You need T2 equipment as a minimum and you need to know what you're doing.
I don't know about the Raven but the only T2 items on my Abaddon for lvl 4's are 4x cap recharger II's and 2x HS II's. I have no problems during the missions, my tank runs permanently even with MF crystals and I hardly ever need to warp out. (though I got killed yesterday 'cause I decided to try a new fitting on, by change, the same 'recon 1/3' mission that I had done without problems earlier the same day)
I've only got about 6,5m SP and been running these since about 4m. I have BS5. all gunnery skills at 4 (gunnery and small energy turret 5), average cap and mechanics skills.
T2 will of course make it a lot more efficient once I get there, but you don't need a T2 fit to run them well.
I just read the mission info from a site (can't remember which) and fit the correct hardeners and skip the ocasional mission against guristas/angels. (can't deal enough damage with lasers to those)
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Radix Salvilines
VENA GROUP
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Posted - 2008.01.14 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Artryder My Raven was equipped with the following:
HIGH 06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I 01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1 01 x SALVAGER I
MEDIUM 04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS 01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM 01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER
LOW 01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL 01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I 01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I 02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I
DRONES 02 x WARRIOR I DRONES 03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES
UPGRADES 01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I 01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I
LOL this post should be made a history :D OM Rotfled for the amount of same repilies :D Amd the fitting... geez... man... 4 months in EVE... uve been doing lvl3 missions... SO WTF IS THIS FITTING? go to help channel, join an empire corp and make them learn you something - will take 2 hours max. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥-☻VENA☺-♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ |
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Cdr Maverick
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Posted - 2008.01.14 13:36:00 -
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Hi Artryder,
have you had a look into this guide?
A Comprehensive New Player Guide to Tanking
Read through it and you understand what many here stated in a sometimes quite harsh manner.
- Maverick
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Ralara
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Posted - 2008.01.14 17:06:00 -
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Artryder if you've not got your drake yet, convo me in game. I have a spare drake that I'm not using that you're welcome to have.
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Jessamine
Star High Industries and Technology
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Posted - 2008.01.14 17:56:00 -
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His Raven was equipped with the following:
HIGH 06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I 01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1 01 x SALVAGER I
MEDIUM 04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS 01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM 01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER
LOW 01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL 01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I 01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I 02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I
DRONES 02 x WARRIOR I DRONES 03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES
UPGRADES 01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I 01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I |
Space Hog
NEW DAWN CO Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
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Posted - 2008.01.14 20:01:00 -
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Ok I didn't read it all. But even the LVL 4 missions can be solo'd in a Drake. It may take a tad bit extra time but the bonus on the drake is the increased speed and agility. I like the fact that I can move around a bit and pull some of the mission apart to take it down. Also the fit I normally go with gives me I think a bit over 14k shield with a 196 recharge rate. (trying to remember off the top of my head)
Try going it with the drake. Take it easy and get some speed going and take out frigs first, they normally are the ones that scram and web ya. Caution
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Karan Kaldarian
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.01.14 22:50:00 -
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I suggest you to give a look at
http://eve-survival.org/missions/
and at
http://eveinfo.com/missions/4/
(this last is not updated , but give an idea on what some missions could be and give some usefull info )
1-Always be informed on what kind of damage you are receiving and what damage you are going to deal , before accepting mission.
2-When mission has been accepted but you don¦t feel so confident if your ship (and skills) will support that kind of mission ( or room) , especially in those that are known as dangerous if something goes wrong , you can always enter in a ceptor ( or in a shuttle) and give a look . The ceptor could be fitted with a cloacking device and if the room permit to cloack ( nothing in range within 2,5 km.) you can have your idea. Ae bonus room maybe one of those . Recon 1/3 can be done in a shuttle , quick and easy. But if you go for kill , you¦ll find 6 BS of more than 1.000.000 each. It¦s not one of the æÆhard missionsÆÆ , but of course if get full damage àààyouÆll end loosing your ship.
3- Be aligned to warp out , and take care of scramblig things first , normaly drone are supposed to do this , but with care : you could end in a whole room aggro .
4-Drone are your best friends if you use in the right moment : release drone after being targeted , if a new spawn appears recall drone immediatly ( or you¦ll lose them) , if there are three or more groups , be sure to be able to warp out , or release drone only if the groups not targeting you are far away enough to let you resolve a full aggro excalation. ( 75 km away). Last of all , controll your drones, if they attack a ship close to a different group, the group will aggro. I¦ll suggest you to buy a Drake , and make some more exp on lev 4 missions. It¦s easy ti fit and do not cost a lot......and tank every level 4 mission.
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SheriffFruitfly
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.01.15 01:57:00 -
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Sounds like your fault for not using one of the jillion or so standard fits talked about incessantly on the Ships forum. There could be a lesson in there, for someone open to it.
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Alowishus
Pastry Coalition Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.01.15 03:09:00 -
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It is a horrible setup. But he's only been playing for four months. A Drake is so much easier to fit and run L3 missions. My only thought is that you should have come to the forums and got advice on the setup before you lost the ship.
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Artryder
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Posted - 2008.01.15 07:02:00 -
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Hi All
Thanks again to all of you that have been willing to offer positive criticism. I assure you all that I have learned a great deal from all your input & references.
I admit to never before looking at any forums for any kind of information. This has certainly changed. I did not realize the wealth of information contained there.
Just before I attempted the lvl 4 mission, I asked a few questions in 'local' regarding lvl 4 missions, and one answer I got was to fit 2 warp core stabilizers. Before that I had never used them. I know that wasn't my only mistake, but I have certainly learned a few things.
Thanks again ALL.
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Artryder
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Posted - 2008.01.15 09:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ralara Artryder if you've not got your drake yet, convo me in game. I have a spare drake that I'm not using that you're welcome to have.
Thanks Ralara, this is a wonderful offer, but I have managed to get a Drake again.
Much appreciated
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Alowishus
Pastry Coalition Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.01.15 13:41:00 -
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Another tip I can offer as far as warp scrambling is to turn effects on, you will be able to see precisely which ships are scrambling you so you can take them out quickly if you get into trouble. I used to use this technique when NPC hunting so I could move on to the next belt without killing off the spawn. Scrambling NPCs have evolved a bit over time. I rarely ever get scrambled anymore in missions or NPC hunting. Back in the day I remember when every NPC frig would scram and web you. That sucked.
/makes fart noise |
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