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Fredfredbug4
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Posted - 2012.02.09 23:23:00 -
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Will relations be improved with the alleged end to slavery coming along? After all much of why the Republic despises the Empire is because of Slavery. Of course the Empire can never be forgiven for what they've done, but surely taking off the shackles would improve relations, wouldn't it?
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Fredfredbug4
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Posted - 2012.02.09 23:37:00 -
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Lyrka Bloodberry wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:Will relations be improved with the alleged end to slavery coming along? After all much of why the Republic despises the Empire is because of Slavery. Of course the Empire can never be forgiven for what they've done, but surely taking off the shackles would improve relations, wouldn't it?
I do not believe in this "end of slavery" before the last Slave is freed and savely arrives in the Republic.
I see, so for the general Minmatar populace freeing the slaves is not enough and the slaves must also be able to move to the Republic? |
Fredfredbug4
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Posted - 2012.02.12 01:50:00 -
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My personal opinions....
The Empress seems to have been a more progressive person, probably in all of Amarrian history. Even before she became Empress she has shown to not be one to accept traditional values, for example she avoided death during the competition despite actually losing said competition. It is very possible that her future plans for emancipation seem genuine.
I feel a little more conflicted when it comes to Minmatar views on the issue. While the Amarrians did mistreat them, there are many slaves within the Empire that are very happy. One could even go as far as saying that some would PREFER being under the control of their masters. However after emancipation the former slaves should have the right to go where they please, most will probably go to Minmatar space to avoid the inevitable remains of racism that will exist in the Empire for a few decades.
I personally feel that the Federation and the Empire will remain at peace unless the Caldari decide to take part in these events. Right now the Federation is mostly worried about the recent Caldari victories and the Empire is taking precautions to prevent further Minmatar incursions. The Federation is already heavily involved given their close relations with the Republic. However if the State decides to help the Empire, the two superpowers may be forced to slug it out in direct confrontations. |
Fredfredbug4
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Posted - 2012.02.12 12:59:00 -
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I would also add that there is a lot more racism in the Republic, to my opinion. It suffice to see how different people are treated in the Republic, or how each tribe hold severe grudges against some other tribes.
Also, the Empire and the Federation are already at war, at least in a proxy war as much as the Republic and the Empire are.
Really then? In which case I would imagine many slaves just staying in the Empire and slowly working their way up, generation at a time to the social status that True Amarr have, or at least close to it.
And wouldn't say we are at war. The Urium Kador attacks were unsanctioned and the Empire has apologized for it. But we probably would of launched a counter-attack were it not for the Caldari invasion. |
Fredfredbug4
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Posted - 2012.02.13 22:50:00 -
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Ston Momaki wrote:The slave culture in Amarr is just as much in need of Matriculation to free society as the rescued slave or recently emancipated slave. Until there is a humbling of the slave holder's heart and an admission that the Amarr faith should be spread not through slavery but through genuine living and benefiting all humankind, there will be no improvement of transnational relations.
Slavery was built over millennia; injustice was executed over milennia. Should the slave holder be impatient with a process of reconciliation that takes a long time? The perpetrator of injustice needs to be patient with the process of righting that wrong. Improvement will come when the those who once enslaved others build credibility over time and show over time that they can be trusted. There must first be an admission that slavery is not, nor ever was, of God. There must be an admission that slavery is and has always been ungodly to the core. The slave holder's repentance must not just be toward those enslaved but also towards the God who's name you have dragged into slavery as your justification.
The missing ingredient is humility, that most difficult of qualities that requires the bravest in spirit to realize.
I think you were pretty spot on here. But do you feel that there is a way for the Amarrian government to be able to make these people feel ashamed of owning slaves other than manipulating the words of God?
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Fredfredbug4
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Posted - 2012.02.17 20:25:00 -
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Payens De'Molay wrote:WHY would these so called "relations" improve?
We of the TRUE Amarr are simply the superior race and the Minmatar are our slaves - it is that simple.
However, do not be fooled thinking it is only the "rugged mixed genepool of a race" who are of the lesser races.
Racial superiority is a rather poor argument for anything these days. Especially considering us capsuleers can genetically modify ourselves to take on somewhat different appearances.
Plus recent history shows that the Minmatar can definitely take on the Amarr in a frontal assault. Gallente intervention would be enough to overwhelm the empire.
Which brings me back to my point, the Caldari are the only people stopping the Republic and the Federation from out right teaming up on the Empire.
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Fredfredbug4
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Posted - 2012.02.18 17:58:00 -
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Payens De'Molay wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Racial superiority is a rather poor argument for anything these days. Especially considering us capsuleers can genetically modify ourselves to take on somewhat different appearances.
Poor Argument? Just because YOU think your powers are equal to that of God does not make it so. It is a simple fact, we ARE the chosen of God and thus superiour in every way.
I agree, you are the Chosen of God. The children of God even. Do you know what properties a child has?
- Ignorance
- Impatience
- Helplessness
- Laziness
- and Unrealistic views on the world
God has realized that you people are worthless and insignificant on your own and because God is kind he has decided to help you out a bit. But like any parent when their children start to get older, the parent gets fed up that the kids are still leeching off of their success and as a result the Empire has been slowly, but surely losing it's ancient glory. It is apparent to anyone who has visited the Empire or are among the lower classes within it but like a child, True Amarr don't understand what is happening and merely think that nothing is wrong.
Your wealth and power? A birthright coupled with the blood sweat and tears of millions of hard working people.
I'll even use my nation's enemies, the Caldari State as an example. While they may have wayward views, their determination, and hard work has brought them up to become one of the most powerful, if not the most powerful nation in all of New Eden. They did the work themselves. I feel that God has chosen people like the Caldari in another, way. As a people that God knows will work hard so he guarantees their success.
God has given the my Federation the ability of free will and reason. The ability to feel and act how we want paired with the ability to think our way though every situation has got us to the position of power and success we enjoy today.
The Republic has been bestowed with cunning and reliability. They have been known to come up with great ways to get a job done and make sure it actually gets done.
And back to the Empire. What has he given them? Luck, to make up for the Empire's inability to act and think on it's own.
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