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Lady Valory
Caldari Caldari Strike Force Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.01.12 11:15:00 -
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With so much slant one way or the other about the war in these last 2 months I've decided to just look at the killboards once a day.
What I notice about the BoB killboard is they hi-lite battleships killed, and every day the ratio is something amazingly extreme such as BoB kills 50 battleships for losing about 5-10 BS.
So, my question is this: is this really true that day after day BoB kills 5-10 times more bs than their enemies?
Also when BoB lost so many regions, were there battles that crushed them with huge losses or did they just pull back and abandon territory without losing mass amounts of ships?
I know this COAD forum has degenerated pretty low this last 2 months, and I'm not trying to bring this lower. This is not a propaganda thread but a search for information and comments on the current war.
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Queen Hopy
Your Friendly Booster Company
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Posted - 2008.01.12 11:20:00 -
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I dont think BoB has received massive losses in any battless in the war so far. I might not be right since I haven't paid too much attention to it.. but in most of the fights BoB has killed more than it has lost..
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Endeva
Caldari Most Wanted INC
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Posted - 2008.01.12 11:20:00 -
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in eve
blob > skills
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umop 3pisdn
Minmatar Fnck the blob.
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Posted - 2008.01.12 11:22:00 -
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THIS IS A GREAT THREAD GUYS
BoB win fleet battles because they wont engage unless they will win, which is fair enough.
BoB also have very professional fleets and FCs
K/D ratio is what wins eve btw
All their pets are dead and bob is back to relying on DD spamming to stay ahead of the pack
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Evil Thug
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.01.12 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Endeva in eve
blob > skills
Thats why bob came to catch to fight with us + RA (2.5k member total), and bring MC and 7+ pet alliances
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ImMeGaLoN
Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.01.12 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: Endeva in eve
blob > skills
Thats why bob came to catch to fight with us + RA (2.5k member total), and bring MC and 7+ pet alliances
You dare to talk about blobbing? lol
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Endeva
Caldari Most Wanted INC
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Posted - 2008.01.12 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: Endeva in eve
blob > skills
Thats why bob came to catch to fight with us + RA (2.5k member total), and bring MC and 7+ pet alliances
this leads to bad things on forum et, someone will quote you and said we had more/you had more and smack begins:P and constantly who was on your side and who was on their
but average bob in 8/10 fleets had less numbers
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wierchas noobhunter
Cosmic Fusion When Fat Kids Attack
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Posted - 2008.01.12 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: ImMeGaLoN
Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: Endeva in eve
blob > skills
Thats why bob came to catch to fight with us + RA (2.5k member total), and bring MC and 7+ pet alliances
You dare to talk about blobbing? lol
u dare talk to et ?
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King Hopy
Beasts of Burden YouWhat
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Posted - 2008.01.12 11:33:00 -
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I have flown with BOB in the south and I remember engaging enemy fleets far bigger than ours.. You can go browse the BoB killboard for fleet fights and you can see that even with equal numbers they win 90% of the time. And yeah, EVE is not won by winning fleet battles but by POS warfare. Time will tell what will happen in delve.
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Seldarine
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.01.12 11:33:00 -
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wow didnt take long for this thread to become derailed.
In answer to the posted topic, yes, the BS kill/deaths posted on the bob killboard are accurate but obviously dont take into account any Bob allies killed in any battles.
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Mitch Taylor
Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.01.12 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: wierchas noobhunter
Originally by: ImMeGaLoN
Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: Endeva in eve
blob > skills
Thats why bob came to catch to fight with us + RA (2.5k member total), and bring MC and 7+ pet alliances
You dare to talk about blobbing? lol
u dare talk to et ?
Being in cosmic fusion now doesnt make you as cool as the original members wierchas, punch at your own weight and stay out of this one.
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Lemptie
Gallente Glass House
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Posted - 2008.01.12 11:38:00 -
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Only thing they do is ,sit with 150 in a system,with 30 carries.And when they spot a bigfleet coming, the launch all fighters and the lag starts.Evry one that jumps in will die,when you dead you don`t know it.Then you go to BOB killboard and you see that you are dead. Then you go ratting for your next fittings. Then you gona tell yes i play eve,but i never fight,i die without firing one shot.
EvE a SPACE pvp game.
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Omega Man
The Geddy Foundation
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Posted - 2008.01.12 11:40:00 -
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Edited by: Omega Man on 12/01/2008 11:40:34 What the hell is the coalition playing at?
With most of Eve against BOB they are still "blobbing" you.
Coalition get rid of your farmers, forum *****s and afkers clearly the coalition has many many thousands of very useless pilots.
Certainly the coalition has not the pvp skills or tactical ability of BOB, but I really imagined they were capable of outblobbing BOB, seems they cannot even do that. -
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William DeMeo
Gallente the united
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Posted - 2008.01.12 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: Endeva in eve
blob > skills
Thats why bob came to catch to fight with us + RA (2.5k member total), and bring MC and 7+ pet alliances
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Jonny JoJo
Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.12 11:49:00 -
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Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 12/01/2008 11:52:07
Originally by: Lemptie
Only thing they do is ,sit with 150 in a system,with 30 carries.And when they spot a bigfleet coming, the launch all fighters and the lag starts.Evry one that jumps in will die,when you dead you don`t know it.Then you go to BOB killboard and you see that you are dead. Then you go ratting for your next fittings. Then you gona tell yes i play eve,but i never fight,i die without firing one shot.
EvE a SPACE pvp game.
One thing that we northerns are aware of is that bob use far too many gallente ships. This means that when we amarr pilots attack them, we need to outnumber bob at least 3-1 to have any chance of victory.
Though bob does fight seriously outnumbered, I will be honest in saying that most coalation alliances run or log unless they outnumber bob 2-1, leading to a perception that bob squashed a fly. we all need to work together because, lets face it, none of us want to risk out capitals to seige delve, because bob are the best capital killers ingame. And none of us trust our fleets as they usually are poorly outfitted with ratting setups.
I think the problem is too many of us vs bob. So we all take a cheaper ship as we assume that we ill be loosing it.
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torN Deception
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.12 11:50:00 -
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Edited by: torN Deception on 12/01/2008 11:52:08 BoB's got a hard-on for k/d and they measure that by battlships, which is perhaps why BoB almost never flies battleships. They fly(and lose) far more expensive HACs and command ships so they can jerk off to their great BS k/d ratio.
As as people have mentioned, BoB will go log off or hide in a POS if they can't get a fight in their favor. While goons will happily throw away entire fleets in situations where the exact same thing has happened a dozen times before. |
Jonny JoJo
Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.12 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: torN Deception Edited by: torN Deception on 12/01/2008 11:52:08 BoB's got a hard-on for k/d and they measure that by battlships, which is perhaps why BoB almost never flies battleships. They fly(and lose) far more expensive HACs and command ships so they can jerk off to their great BS k/d ratio..
Hmm. If bob never flys battleships, then why cant our battleships massacre their fleet?
I am being honest here. But I have noticed that bob keeps battleships alive as they fly around in navy megas, fleet temptests and nightmares, which I think are supertank traps to soak up enemy fire, while the rest of their pilots attack freely. I think we take too much ineffective ships such as Amarr pilots to fight bob, and we just cannot compete with them on a equal number basis.
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Maksiim
Doom and Gloom
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Posted - 2008.01.12 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: torN Deception Edited by: torN Deception on 12/01/2008 11:52:08 BoB's got a hard-on for k/d and they measure that by battlships, which is perhaps why BoB almost never flies battleships. They fly(and lose) far more expensive HACs and command ships so they can jerk off to their great BS k/d ratio.
As as people have mentioned, BoB will go log off or hide in a POS if they can't get a fight in their favor. While goons will happily throw away entire fleets in situations where the exact same thing has happened a dozen times before.
Quoted for prosperity.
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Maksiim
Doom and Gloom
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Posted - 2008.01.12 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Jonny JoJo
Hmm. If bob never flys battleships, then why cant our battleships massacre their fleet?
I am being honest here. But I have noticed that bob keeps battleships alive as they fly around in navy megas, fleet temptests and nightmares, which I think are supertank traps to soak up enemy fire, while the rest of their pilots attack freely. I think we take too much ineffective ships such as Amarr pilots to fight bob, and we just cannot compete with them on a equal number basis.
This one is almost as funny.
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CamMan
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.01.12 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Valory With so much slant one way or the other about the war in these last 2 months I've decided to just look at the killboards once a day.
What I notice about the BoB killboard is they hi-lite battleships killed, and every day the ratio is something amazingly extreme such as BoB kills 50 battleships for losing about 5-10 BS.
So, my question is this: is this really true that day after day BoB kills 5-10 times more bs than their enemies?
Also when BoB lost so many regions, were there battles that crushed them with huge losses or did they just pull back and abandon territory without losing mass amounts of ships?
I know this COAD forum has degenerated pretty low this last 2 months, and I'm not trying to bring this lower. This is not a propaganda thread but a search for information and comments on the current war.
This seems like a reasonable question, so i will give you a reasonable answer.
first, yes the bob killboard is extremely accurate, but in any bob fleet around 10-15% is made up from friendly alliances/corps, you can get an indication of this fro looking at fleet compositions in the fleet battles feature on the bob killboard.
BoB have lost many regions [Fountain, Omist, Feyth, Eso, Querious (most of), Period Basis (most of), Tenerifis (a station or two)], most of those reasons were the logisitcs to fight on multiple fronts over so many regions were to great adnw e couldnt keep up with them, they spread our fleet thin and we did have the numbers or the firepower to take the fight to the hostile forces. BoB then withdrew back to its main stonghold. Then at least 10 alliances from the north took fountain pretty much without a fight (until Y-2 which is still being contested), a few factors decided this, mainly logistics and i will not go into the rest on a public forum. MC then turned on the agreement they had with BoB and decided to take period basis for themselves (fighting is still continuing in TPAR). ragoons, IAC, AAA (insert at least 10 other alliances in here) then took most of querious, again mostly unchallenged (a few big fights in FAT ans 25s), in the end they were surrended without a concluding battle.
that is the vague history, currently BoB have been holding quite well and getting massive battles everyday. There has been a lot of lag, it is easy to blame lag for a loss, and over the last few weeks bob really hasnt lost a major battle so you will hear some of the coalition blaming fleet loses on lag, but we both have to fight in lag, sure the advantage is for the defender, but the numbers most times are at least 2:1 in favour of the coalition, and as Terra showed up north yesterday the attacking force should be able to easily outgun a defending force when the attacking force has 2:1 numbers. So tactics, logistics and skill plays a big part in fleet battles.
i have ranted on for way too long.
hope i answered your question though
Cheers Cam
Originally by: Bender Interesting, no the other one ... tedious
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sakana
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.01.12 12:12:00 -
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Edited by: sakana on 12/01/2008 12:14:06 Its highly possible after a fleet battle like the BoB vs smashkill and co fight the other day, that bob did get amazing bs stats.
Another possibility is that bob use the API key to auto post losses, which everyone knows is bugged to ****.
Another possibility is that, according to BoB rules, you must post your loss within 24hrs, so perhaps people wait til that 24hrs is almost up before they post their loss, so that the losses only show up for a few minutes before the new day begins.
I can't say if any of these are true, but their all possible/plausible.
Also...LOL at mitch taylor saying who is and isnt cool
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ciapek
Amarr Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2008.01.12 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: umop 3pisdn THIS IS A GREAT THREAD GUYS
BoB win fleet battles because they wont engage unless they will win, which is fair enough.
BoB also have very professional fleets and FCs
K/D ratio is what wins eve btw
All their pets are dead and bob is back to relying on DD spamming to stay ahead of the pack
o rly ?
its great to have own knowledge to bad its based on caod and goons intel.
go to KB and just look at battles and then talk, lot of times outnumebered and still having wipe hostiles, and i dont c bob bringing 50 noobships into fleet like others do so just dont **** ppl arround wioith your somethingaful ideas and thought pls, just get some facts
and post wit your main cause lack of info maybe one thing but lack of balls .........
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Jonny JoJo
Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.12 12:19:00 -
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Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 12/01/2008 12:20:31
Originally by: sakana Edited by: sakana on 12/01/2008 12:14:06 Its highly possible after a fleet battle like the BoB vs smashkill and co fight the other day, that bob did get amazing bs stats.
Another possibility is that bob use the API key to auto post losses, which everyone knows is bugged to ****.
Another possibility is that, according to BoB rules, you must post your loss within 24hrs, so perhaps people wait til that 24hrs is almost up before they post their loss, so that the losses only show up for a few minutes before the new day begins.
I can't say if any of these are true, but their all possible/plausible.
Also...LOL at mitch taylor saying who is and isnt cool
yeah but the OP was refereing to battles over 24 hours ago. I dont think bob's KB is wrong, i think it is because we use too many ineffective ships. I mean, I saw 10+ carriers on screenshots and no way are you going to kill many bs's with carriers repping them. We should have brought out our dreads to grank the carriers but then we would have lost dreads so I guess it does not matter much. its fine loosing dreads as long as it is some other alliances's dread, so we just let someone else risk their stuff.
Bob just have too many Gallente players currently and there is no way us Amarr are going to be able to compete with them
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Valan
The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.01.12 12:20:00 -
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Depends on objectives.
Some care about k/d ratios other don't. Some care about POS kills and space others don't.
2 sides with completely opposite but complimentary objectives means fun all round.
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Endeva
Caldari Most Wanted INC
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Posted - 2008.01.12 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: sakana Edited by: sakana on 12/01/2008 12:14:06 Its highly possible after a fleet battle like the BoB vs smashkill and co fight the other day, that bob did get amazing bs stats.
Another possibility is that bob use the API key to auto post losses, which everyone knows is bugged to ****.
Another possibility is that, according to BoB rules, you must post your loss within 24hrs, so perhaps people wait til that 24hrs is almost up before they post their loss, so that the losses only show up for a few minutes before the new day begins.
I can't say if any of these are true, but their all possible/plausible.
Also...LOL at mitch taylor saying who is and isnt cool
dont tell you actually believe in this:P?
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Chaomos Skynard
Altera Odyssea Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.01.12 12:24:00 -
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From my experience the BoB kb is one of the more reliable boards out there (but def. not perfect). The k/d bs ratio is pretty accurate as far as I can tell.
BoB def have some of the best pvp abilities in game for a larger less specialised organisation (like Outbreak etc...). I have nothing but respect for that skill.
Having said that, their Diplomacy stinks and this is what has backfired on them (as well as past arrogance). One of my alts have seen first hand their diplo bully tactics and they worked quite well, but people build up grievances and now for many it has become pay back time.
Basicaly what I am saying, is yes BoB great at pvp, but at the moment they are not great at Eve.
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Jonny JoJo
Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.12 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Endeva
Originally by: sakana Edited by: sakana on 12/01/2008 12:14:06 Its highly possible after a fleet battle like the BoB vs smashkill and co fight the other day, that bob did get amazing bs stats.
Another possibility is that bob use the API key to auto post losses, which everyone knows is bugged to ****.
Another possibility is that, according to BoB rules, you must post your loss within 24hrs, so perhaps people wait til that 24hrs is almost up before they post their loss, so that the losses only show up for a few minutes before the new day begins.
I can't say if any of these are true, but their all possible/plausible.
Also...LOL at mitch taylor saying who is and isnt cool
dont tell you actually believe in this:P?
I dont beleive this because I use coalation killboard to track bob losses and they are pretty much all there, minus the odd capsule or Amarr noobship
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Tzrailasa
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.01.12 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Jonny JoJo Though bob does fight seriously outnumbered, I will be honest in saying that most coalation alliances run or log unless they outnumber bob 2-1
In reality, for most of our enemies we've found that the magic number is 3-1. MC might engage at 2-1 and the northerners too, and there's been an instance of TCF engaging at 1-1 a couple of days ago. Respect to TCF for that btw., you didn't take 2 hours to decide to jump in as most others do. Lag was absolutely horrendous for all involved, with 5-10 minute module lag for me. Slo-mo fight.... I read a quarter of a book while it was on
Most of our hostiles however seem to think that 'PvP' means 'Player vs. POS when BoB is busy 20 jumps away'
I'm also amazed at the cryalition sense of logic and math (or lack thereof).... We've got most of 0.0 attacking us, and still we are the ones blobbing??? Really, get your school money back...
To the OP. Our glorious leader has already given you the reason the KB look as it does
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Dr Smythe
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.01.12 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: sakana Edited by: sakana on 12/01/2008 12:14:06 Its highly possible after a fleet battle like the BoB vs smashkill and co fight the other day, that bob did get amazing bs stats.
Another possibility is that bob use the API key to auto post losses, which everyone knows is bugged to ****.
Another possibility is that, according to BoB rules, you must post your loss within 24hrs, so perhaps people wait til that 24hrs is almost up before they post their loss, so that the losses only show up for a few minutes before the new day begins.
I can't say if any of these are true, but their all possible/plausible.
Also...LOL at mitch taylor saying who is and isnt cool
Of course they are all possible plausible. It is also possible plausible to say the following 1. Their is intelligent life beyond earth 2. Their is a God 3. One can travel faster than the speed of light.
Just because it is possible or plausible doesn't mean it is true. Stick to facts please.
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Doddy
Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.01.12 12:25:00 -
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Bobs killboard is generally accurate, but you have to remember allied losses are not included. We never make up more than about 10-20% of BoB fleets though so it would rarely add significantly to the losses in a fleet fight. There are of course exceptions to this, for example on the boxing day assault frig op i personally lost 5 ships over 2 character. To the goon saying BoB never fly bs just lol.
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