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![Joana Darklight Joana Darklight](https://images.evetech.net/characters/185001556/portrait?size=64)
Joana Darklight
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Posted - 2008.01.12 11:58:00 -
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There one of the best races, there only drawback is it takes alot of skills, probably the most skill intesive race to fly, but when you fully setup in T2/faction gear they pwn, most people forget to tank there EM and in most pvp setups its the weaker of resists on most peoples ships.
I just dont understand all the whining, people just wont be happy till they ruin eve.
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![Stakhanov Stakhanov](https://images.evetech.net/characters/448803936/portrait?size=64)
Stakhanov
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.01.12 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Joana Darklight most people forget to tank there EM and in most pvp setups its the weaker of resists on most peoples ships.
*cough*
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane... if you know a way to solo a decent fitted cane in a harbinger , you tell me.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal Thread now lacks an OP but the memories will live on.
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![Xanos Blackpaw Xanos Blackpaw](https://images.evetech.net/characters/183514531/portrait?size=64)
Xanos Blackpaw
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2008.01.12 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Joana Darklight There one of the best races, there only drawback is it takes alot of skills, probably the most skill intesive race to fly, but when you fully setup in T2/faction gear they pwn, most people forget to tank there EM and in most pvp setups its the weaker of resists on most peoples ships.
I just dont understand all the whining, people just wont be happy till they ruin eve.
...so we should have to get faction and officer modules just to get as good as other people is with T2?
Playing minmatar is "like going down a flight of stairs in a office chair firing an Uzi". |
![Estephania Estephania](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1108409716/portrait?size=64)
Estephania
Independent Political Analysts
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Posted - 2008.01.12 12:05:00 -
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What many ppl forget is that if they compare highly specialized performance between Amarr and other races, Amarr are still inferior. Of course if you compare Amarr pro with Caldari n00b, Amarr look good, but what' the point in that?
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![Joana Darklight Joana Darklight](https://images.evetech.net/characters/185001556/portrait?size=64)
Joana Darklight
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Posted - 2008.01.12 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Stakhanov
Originally by: Joana Darklight most people forget to tank there EM and in most pvp setups its the weaker of resists on most peoples ships.
*cough*
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane... if you know a way to solo a decent fitted cane in a harbinger , you tell me.
why must people think every ship should be able to omgwtfbbq pwn whatever they want, its called ballance sure its not always as good againt 1 ship as another, but thats what eve is about, I pvp'd in a harbinger a bunch and with only T1 named pulses it rocked they cap was awesome i could tank and shoot all day, and with great tracking and great range i could out fly other ships to, either way people just wanna *****.
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![Antonia Frak Antonia Frak](https://images.evetech.net/characters/680528553/portrait?size=64)
Antonia Frak
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Posted - 2008.01.12 12:15:00 -
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Amarr complains because they can't pwn basically armor ships (EM resistance is high) but they don't tend to say publicly that they indeed pwn shield tanked ships like no other can do. I understand fleet engagements are mainly done with armor tanked ships but in those situations being called primary means death in 5 seconds regardless you're shield or armor tanking. BTW Amarr dps and alpha strike is the highest in the game.
Amarr ships have their pros and their cons as every other race, tend to excell against some ships and tend to loose against others.
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![Siigari Kitawa Siigari Kitawa](https://images.evetech.net/characters/871435767/portrait?size=64)
Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol The Fifth Race
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Posted - 2008.01.12 12:23:00 -
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In before JoJo _________________ Burn. |
![Akita T Akita T](https://images.evetech.net/characters/776304952/portrait?size=64)
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.01.12 12:30:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 12/01/2008 12:32:59
Originally by: Antonia Frak BTW Amarr dps and alpha strike is the highest in the game.
Err, wouldn't that be * MINMATAR turret alpha is highest in game * CALDARI torp alpha is highest in game * CALDARI extreme-range DPS is the highest in game * GALLENTE short-range DPS is highest in game
If you want anything, it's "Amarr has the best MEDIUM-RANGE alpha/DPS in the game"... in a game where nearly no fight is medium range to begin with. Wait, nevermind, strike that... most gatecamps (or any other "camps") get medium-range combat usually... that's where Amarr truly shine.
Amarr boats : best at CAMPING !
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![Valan Valan](https://images.evetech.net/characters/268048596/portrait?size=64)
Valan
The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.01.12 12:34:00 -
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Not all Amarr ships are bad.
A guy asked three of us what our favourite ship was at the London pub meet. Every single favourite was Amarrian and for PvP reasons. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig |
![Jonny JoJo Jonny JoJo](https://images.evetech.net/characters/593834726/portrait?size=64)
Jonny JoJo
Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.12 12:39:00 -
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Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 12/01/2008 12:39:37
Originally by: Valan Not all Amarr ships are bad.
A guy asked three of us what our favourite ship was at the London pub meet. Every single favourite was Amarrian and for PvP reasons.
I see. I never knew that everybody loved the Avatar Titan so much. I hear Chowdown uses PROJECTILE's in his going by his killboard Record - LOL
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![Valan Valan](https://images.evetech.net/characters/268048596/portrait?size=64)
Valan
The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.01.12 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 12/01/2008 12:39:37
Originally by: Valan Not all Amarr ships are bad.
A guy asked three of us what our favourite ship was at the London pub meet. Every single favourite was Amarrian and for PvP reasons.
I see. I never knew that everybody loved the Avatar Titan so much. I hear Chowdown uses PROJECTILE's in his going by his killboard Record - LOL
That was wasted on me no idea what that meant take little notice of EVE events and celebs. Went straight over my head sorry.
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![Rodj Blake Rodj Blake](https://images.evetech.net/characters/383783955/portrait?size=64)
Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.01.12 12:57:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 12/01/2008 12:57:09
People are still complaining about Amarr because a long time ago the devs accepted that they were lacking oomph, and they said that they would be working on stuff to get that fixed.
Then, when the Khanid mkII ships came in, they again said that the rest of the Amarr ships still needed some oomph, and that they were looking into it.
Likewise with the modest boost to pulse lasers a little while ago - they said that this wasn't the promised oomph change.
Since then, nothing.
So the issue isn't whether or not Amarr ships need boosting, because the devs have said in the past that they do need some oomph.
The issue is that the devs seemingly don't know how to give us that oomph.
Unless of course when they say "oomph" they're referring to the sound that you make when you're being kicked in the ribs...
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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![Deva Blackfire Deva Blackfire](https://images.evetech.net/characters/167537438/portrait?size=64)
Deva Blackfire
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.01.12 13:07:00 -
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Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 12/01/2008 13:07:37
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Unless of course when they say "oomph" they're referring to the sound that you make when you're being kicked in the ribs...
Its no problem tbh. After another 15 tracking boosts for lasers CCP will see that pulses hitway too often and will cut their range/damage on crystals.
(tracking boosts im reffering to are: laser one recently and tracking bonus for t2 BS before we forced to change one to damage on paladin)
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![Jonny JoJo Jonny JoJo](https://images.evetech.net/characters/593834726/portrait?size=64)
Jonny JoJo
Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.12 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 12/01/2008 13:07:37
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Unless of course when they say "oomph" they're referring to the sound that you make when you're being kicked in the ribs...
Its no problem tbh. After another 15 tracking boosts for lasers CCP will see that pulses hitway too often and will cut their range/damage on crystals.
(tracking boosts im reffering to are: laser one recently and tracking bonus for t2 BS before we forced to change one to damage on paladin)
Tracking is quite important. A Megapulse + Conflag ship would miss 60% of shots on a minmatar typhoon orbiting it at 1km, with the typhoon webbed to 20/s.
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![Akita T Akita T](https://images.evetech.net/characters/776304952/portrait?size=64)
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.01.12 13:26:00 -
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The Paladin is a meh-ok ship, but the dev's compulsion to make all marauders "similar" hurt the Paladin. It could have used the tracking bonus, but for targets VERY close, indeed, a web bonus is better. The capacitor capacity bonus was inherited from the base ship, and as such it was kind of unavoidable. The tanking bonus was unavoidable too. The Paladin needed the damage bonus, or else it would have fallen badly compared to the alternatives.
So the only bonus up for debate right now is the web bonus. The problem with the web bonus is that under normal circumstances, it only applies to targets CLOSER as 10km... and when your OPTIMAL with high-damage crystal on your SHORT range weapons is almost 15km, I can bet 10km is not a range you WANT to be in to begin with. Changing it to a tracking bonus would help hit targets at all ranges, especially those farther away. Changing it to a 10% web RANGE bonus would mean a HUGE improvement in the 10-15km ranges, which is exactly where Paladin really needed the help.
So my simple suggestion on how to make the Paladin better while not completely overpowering it is to simply switch the web strength bonus into (at least) a +10% web range bonus.
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![Lyria Skydancer Lyria Skydancer](https://images.evetech.net/characters/113476832/portrait?size=64)
Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.01.12 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Joana Darklight There one of the best races, there only drawback is it takes alot of skills, probably the most skill intesive race to fly, but when you fully setup in T2/faction gear they pwn, most people forget to tank there EM and in most pvp setups its the weaker of resists on most peoples ships.
I just dont understand all the whining, people just wont be happy till they ruin eve.
This is pretty much not true. Go back and play your caldari or gallente main mate. ---------------------------------------------
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![Antonia Frak Antonia Frak](https://images.evetech.net/characters/680528553/portrait?size=64)
Antonia Frak
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Posted - 2008.01.12 13:30:00 -
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Edited by: Antonia Frak on 12/01/2008 13:35:36
Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 12/01/2008 12:32:59
Originally by: Antonia Frak BTW Amarr dps and alpha strike is the highest in the game.
Err, wouldn't that be * MINMATAR turret alpha is highest in game * CALDARI torp alpha is highest in game * CALDARI extreme-range DPS is the highest in game * GALLENTE short-range DPS is highest in game
If you want anything, it's "Amarr has the best MEDIUM-RANGE alpha/DPS in the game"... in a game where nearly no fight is medium range to begin with. Wait, nevermind, strike that... most gatecamps (or any other "camps") get medium-range combat usually... that's where Amarr truly shine.
Amarr boats : best at CAMPING !
No no I was talking absolute values. Amaarr is highest alpha and dps in game. Obiously it is at determined ranges, but there are not highest numerical values of alpha/dps in game as far as I know. Obviously a rokh will have more dps at 220km than any other but that doesen't mean it is the highest absolute value.
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![Rua Rua](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1021112998/portrait?size=64)
Rua
Temples of Boom
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Posted - 2008.01.12 13:34:00 -
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Amarr ships just lack a little something. Everyone has there own ideas but generally they are not too bad, in fact the amarr BS are very strong.
At cruiser level they seem to be lacking, more to the point the laser boats at cruiser level are lacking. I guess a lot more people fly in this ship class than fly in the BS ship class.
Hence whines.
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![Laboratus Laboratus](https://images.evetech.net/characters/856423319/portrait?size=64)
Laboratus
Gallente BGG Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.01.12 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Jonny JoJo
Tracking is quite important. A Megapulse + Conflag ship would miss 60% of shots on a minmatar typhoon orbiting it at 1km, with the typhoon webbed to 20/s.
T2 short range ammo is crap, use navy crystals instead. ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats |
![Jonny JoJo Jonny JoJo](https://images.evetech.net/characters/593834726/portrait?size=64)
Jonny JoJo
Amarr The Imperial Guards Darkness Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.12 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Laboratus
Originally by: Jonny JoJo
Tracking is quite important. A Megapulse + Conflag ship would miss 60% of shots on a minmatar typhoon orbiting it at 1km, with the typhoon webbed to 20/s.
T2 short range ammo is crap, use navy crystals instead.
So you admiting that Amarr t2 is crap?
Well, thats why we want it fixed!
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![Shadowsword Shadowsword](https://images.evetech.net/characters/765655996/portrait?size=64)
Shadowsword
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.01.12 13:40:00 -
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There's an average 600 EANM II sold in jita every day. Add those sold elsewhere, and those invented, and there's only one conclusion: Anyone saying EANMs II aren't used in most pvp ships who don't speed tank is talking crap. ------------------------------------------
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![Graisse Graisse](https://images.evetech.net/characters/841959769/portrait?size=64)
Graisse
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Posted - 2008.01.12 13:42:00 -
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Edited by: Graisse on 12/01/2008 13:41:56
Originally by: Jonny JoJo
Originally by: Laboratus
Originally by: Jonny JoJo
Tracking is quite important. A Megapulse + Conflag ship would miss 60% of shots on a minmatar typhoon orbiting it at 1km, with the typhoon webbed to 20/s.
T2 short range ammo is crap, use navy crystals instead.
So you admiting that Amarr t2 is crap?
Well, thats why we want it fixed!
I think he means almost every other T2 low range ammo being not much used, not just amar ones.
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![Laboratus Laboratus](https://images.evetech.net/characters/856423319/portrait?size=64)
Laboratus
Gallente BGG Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.01.12 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Jonny JoJo
So you admiting that Amarr t2 is crap?
Well, thats why we want it fixed!
All T2 short range ammo is crap, use faction instead. Cheaper, easier to find and much much much better. ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats |
![Akita T Akita T](https://images.evetech.net/characters/776304952/portrait?size=64)
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.01.12 13:48:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 12/01/2008 13:48:48
Originally by: Antonia Frak No no I was talking absolute values. Amaarr is highest turret alpha and dps in game. Obiously it is at determined ranges, but there are not highest numerical values of alpha/dps in game as far as I know. Obviously a rokh will have more dps at 200km than any other but that doesen't mean it is the highest absolute value.
Kronos all L5, neutrons/void, ogre II, 3 MFS2 : 1274 DPS, 4700 gun alpha Maelstrom all L5, 1400s/quake, ogre II, 3 Gyro2 : 918 DPS, 6486 gun alpha Golem all L5, rage torps, ogre II, 3 BCS2 : 1180 DPS, 7507 torp alpha Abaddon or Paladin all L5, megapulse/colflag, ogre II, 3 HS2 : 1119 DPS, 4029 gun alpha Abaddon or Paladin all L5, tach/gleam (17km optimal), ogre II, 3 HS2 : 1068 DPS, 6043 gun alpha Abaddon or Paladin all L5, tach/aurora (119km optimal), no drones, 3 HS2 : 502 DPS, 3453 gun alpha etc
Got better suggestions ? I mean, other INSTEAD of just saying "use faction ammo". I know T2 ammo is crap. But I used it equally on all of the above. I meant fitting suggestions. 1|2|3|4|5. |
![Grimpak Grimpak](https://images.evetech.net/characters/730676275/portrait?size=64)
Grimpak
Gallente Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2008.01.12 13:52:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 12/01/2008 13:52:46
Originally by: Jonny JoJo
Originally by: Laboratus
Originally by: Jonny JoJo
Tracking is quite important. A Megapulse + Conflag ship would miss 60% of shots on a minmatar typhoon orbiting it at 1km, with the typhoon webbed to 20/s.
T2 short range ammo is crap, use navy crystals instead.
So you admiting that Amarr t2 is crap?
Well, thats why we want it fixed!
ALL T2 short range ammo is crap, not just amarr's![Razz](/images/icon_razz.gif)
Originally by: Joana Darklight There one of the best races, there only drawback is it takes alot of skills, probably the most skill intesive race to fly, but when you fully setup in T2/faction gear they pwn, most people forget to tank there EM and in most pvp setups its the weaker of resists on most peoples ships.
I just dont understand all the whining, people just wont be happy till they ruin eve.
while Amarr is not in that much bad state as some people say, it is wrong to say that they are "ok". ---
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![Cyberbully Cyberbully](https://images.evetech.net/characters/391389935/portrait?size=64)
Cyberbully
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Posted - 2008.01.12 13:56:00 -
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amarr sucks gallente sucks caldari sucks minmatar sucks
Nerf ORE
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![Sniggerdly Hater Sniggerdly Hater](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1967992047/portrait?size=64)
Sniggerdly Hater
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Posted - 2008.01.12 13:56:00 -
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Edited by: S******dly Hater on 12/01/2008 13:56:40
Originally by: Joana Darklight
I just dont understand all the whining
I hear it's part of the Oath that the Amarrian Whine Squad members undertake when they join.
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![Lyria Skydancer Lyria Skydancer](https://images.evetech.net/characters/113476832/portrait?size=64)
Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.01.12 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: S******dly Hater Edited by: S******dly Hater on 12/01/2008 13:56:40
Originally by: Joana Darklight
I just dont understand all the whining
I hear it's part of the Oath that the Amarrian Whine Squad members undertake when they join.
You do know its not amarr that where the first whiners of eve. All the other races whined the crap out of the forums and THAT nerfed amarr to what it is today. ---------------------------------------------
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![Siletto Zu Siletto Zu](https://images.evetech.net/characters/2038873170/portrait?size=64)
Siletto Zu
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Posted - 2008.01.12 15:16:00 -
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Come on, we still got the Absolution
400~ DPS with amazing tanking, all ressists up to 80~ :D only t2 fitting
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![Jenny Spitfire Jenny Spitfire](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1346324202/portrait?size=64)
Jenny Spitfire
Caldari SIVAKASI
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Posted - 2008.01.12 15:30:00 -
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Actually I am training Amarr right now. Is it still a bad choice or should I continue training Minmatar battleship 5? --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
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