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Recon Three
181st Legion
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Posted - 2008.01.12 17:38:00 -
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So my current setup on my Crow is as follows:
3x Arbalest ColdGas Arcjet, Gistii MWD (In 23 hours :( ) 2x Hull Overdrive Injector System II, 1x Inertia Stabilizer II ___
I just installed a polycarbon engine housing on my ship last night and I haven't noticed any difference in speed, whether I'm using my AB or not. Is this normal or did I make a 50M mistake? My max speed with AB on is 1793 KM/s. I read through a Crow thread and people are saying that they can reach speeds of up to 11KM/s?
Should I just wait until I can equip my MWD and see what happens then? Any help would be appreciated. __________
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Last Wolf
Templars of Space
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Posted - 2008.01.12 17:51:00 -
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Try it again once you have the MWD... you will be going plenty fast.
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Ogron
Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.01.12 17:53:00 -
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Edited by: Ogron on 12/01/2008 17:54:57 Edited by: Ogron on 12/01/2008 17:53:52 First of all if you planning on using this for PvP you should 100% of the time fitting an MWD. A crow running at 1700 m/s is going to die, very quickly, and probably not be able to do it's job of actually tackling anything.
Second, if you can't fit an MWD yet and already have bought a Gistii MWD you have too much money. Same goes for 50m rigs.
Third, unless you actually know how to fly a rigged/Gistii MWD crow in PvP you are still going to die. Very quickly.
As an interceptor pilot you will probably die, often. These things happen. Your there to tackle targets to make sure they don't get away and until the cavalry arrive. As such they will try to kill you, as quickly as possible.
First impressions are that you are going to lose this ship and then cry about it. Mainly because you spent loads and loads of money on a paperthin ship that will get popped the first time a drone even looks at it. Second impressions are that even if you managed to survive long enough to tackle something your skills are so low that running MWD and a point will cap you out in about 15 seconds. At which point you will die.
Once you have about 1m SP in Navigation you are getting towards being a good Ceptor pilot. Then add on to that the minimum requirments and benifits of Long Range Targeting, Signal Aquisition and Propulsion Jamming you are starting to get there.
My serious advice would be to shelve your rigged Crow. Seriously. Dont take it out of the hanger. Buy another Crow (you obviously have the cash from somewhere) and just fit it all Tech 2. Simple, cheap, effective. Does what it says on the tin. Once you have lost a few dozen of these THEN you can maybe think about starting to fly your rigged Gistii Crow.
My 0.02 Isk.
Edit: btw, recently fought against a Crow pilot that was running at about 22 km/s. he can push that above 35 km/s with mindlinks and gang bonuses. ---
[Reacz]Morsus Mihi - Sit on their throne sucking the the sweet teet of plex running so I'm told |
VB Sarge
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.01.12 23:18:00 -
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Big reason why buying isk is bad, or, shoveling isk into a pvp ship thinking that you will win because of it. Can you hook me up with a fully fitted and rigged Stiletto if you have too much isk? hehe
Anyways... your highs are good, but your mids are crap. Put the MWD and a Warp Disruptor II in and you'll be good to go. The polycarbs only make a difference when your MWD is turned on. In an Interceptors case, it should basically never be turned off.
As far as 1mil in Navigation and being good, apologies if I misread it, but I consider myself pretty crappy and I have 1.2mil SP into Navigation. You also need really good capacitor skills and MWD skills up to be able to perma run your set up. It's very bad if you can't, and not worth flying.
In the Crow, if you can't warp scramble your target, they are going to laugh at you as soon as they realize they can fly away. And with decent skills and that set up, you should be looking at 7km/sec pretty easily, maybe even a little higher. I think a rigged crow will hit around 9k/sec without implants. That's also with really good skills. www.the-bastards.com Ask me about recruiting options |
sh4rp ov3rvolt
Hikage Corporation Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.01.12 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: Ogron Edited by: Ogron on 12/01/2008 17:54:57 Edited by: Ogron on 12/01/2008 17:53:52 First of all if you planning on using this for PvP you should 100% of the time fitting an MWD. A crow running at 1700 m/s is going to die, very quickly, and probably not be able to do it's job of actually tackling anything.
Second, if you can't fit an MWD yet and already have bought a Gistii MWD you have too much money. Same goes for 50m rigs.
Third, unless you actually know how to fly a rigged/Gistii MWD crow in PvP you are still going to die. Very quickly.
As an interceptor pilot you will probably die, often. These things happen. Your there to tackle targets to make sure they don't get away and until the cavalry arrive. As such they will try to kill you, as quickly as possible.
First impressions are that you are going to lose this ship and then cry about it. Mainly because you spent loads and loads of money on a paperthin ship that will get popped the first time a drone even looks at it. Second impressions are that even if you managed to survive long enough to tackle something your skills are so low that running MWD and a point will cap you out in about 15 seconds. At which point you will die.
Once you have about 1m SP in Navigation you are getting towards being a good Ceptor pilot. Then add on to that the minimum requirments and benifits of Long Range Targeting, Signal Aquisition and Propulsion Jamming you are starting to get there.
My serious advice would be to shelve your rigged Crow. Seriously. Dont take it out of the hanger. Buy another Crow (you obviously have the cash from somewhere) and just fit it all Tech 2. Simple, cheap, effective. Does what it says on the tin. Once you have lost a few dozen of these THEN you can maybe think about starting to fly your rigged Gistii Crow.
My 0.02 Isk.
Edit: btw, recently fought against a Crow pilot that was running at about 22 km/s. he can push that above 35 km/s with mindlinks and gang bonuses.
every word of this...
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Ogron
Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.01.13 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: VB Sarge As far as 1mil in Navigation and being good, apologies if I misread it, but I consider myself pretty crappy and I have 1.2mil SP into Navigation.
1m SPs in Navigation will get you lvl 4 in everything you need, plus lvl 5 in Evasive Maneuvering which is needed for the Inties anyway. At low levels training up anything more than that is probably not of huge benifit until his cap and support skills are up to par as well. ---
[Reacz]Morsus Mihi - Sit on their throne sucking the the sweet teet of plex running so I'm told |
Acoco Osiris
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.01.13 15:24:00 -
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This is all very, very good advice. Anyways, this would probably be your standard setup. Requires Engineering V and Advanced Weapon Upgrades V to fit, and is roughly cap-stable with supporting cap skills (like propulsion jamming) at V and the cap skills themselves at IV.
3x standard missile launcher IIs. Will need to drop some to named SMs if you don't have AWU V OR 3x rocket launcher II (with Javelins, this is a higher DPS but slower option)
1MN MWD II Warp disruptor II (24km) Cap recharger II 2x Overdrive II Nanofiber II ------------------- I nerfed my own sig To amuse you, here is my Retriever ever since its first Trinity deployment. RIP. * * * * ** * * * ** * * * * * *** * ** ** |
CptEav1s
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.01.13 17:37:00 -
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Yea, I've been fooling around on EFT and just like to point out that I don't see what all the hype is about. With all skills at 5 the 2 fastest intys will be the Claw and the Ares.
The Crow's only nice point is that she can fit missiles to fire and run away.
But, to get 11km/s out of a crow you need to have #1 a Gistii type-A 1mn MWD, alot of skills to 5, faction items, and plenty of isk, also you'd need someone with gang speed bonuses / warfare links.
With Acceleration Control 5, Navigation 5, 2x Polycarbon Rig's (t1), a Gistii type-A MWD, 3x Domination Overdrives, no gang bonuses I can get a Crow to go about 10.6km/s
Still great speed but hardly the best. I prefer my Ares with the same stuff she'll go 11.3km/s
Cheers - CptEav1s Sarge "Hey, Grif chupathingy how bout it? I like it got a ring to it"
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Acoco Osiris
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.01.13 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: CptEav1s Yea, I've been fooling around on EFT and just like to point out that I don't see what all the hype is about.
The hype about the Crow is that it can orbit at WTF speeds and spam missiles all day. Other interceptors have to slow down to have a chance in hell of hitting anything smaller than a battleship. ------------------- I nerfed my own sig To amuse you, here is my Retriever ever since its first Trinity deployment. RIP. * * * * ** * * * ** * * * * * *** * ** ** |
Chi Quan
DEFCON. Phoenix Allianz
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Posted - 2008.01.13 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: Ogron btw, recently fought against a Crow pilot that was running at about 22 km/s. he can push that above 35 km/s with mindlinks and gang bonuses.
i doubt this, i know that eft has it's quirks, but the max i put together get is 23kms, and that is with all 5s, ganged, cybered and full faction. where do the other 10kms come from?
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Maeltstome
Minmatar D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.01.14 00:28:00 -
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Originally by: VB Sarge Can you hook me up with a fully fitted and rigged Stiletto if you have too much isk? hehe
Someone who appreciates my favourite ceptor :) (other than the new malediction)
Huzzah! -------
[12:07] w33Daz: a trained 1 skill fur 24 mins n it took 2 days aff drones lvl 5 [12:07] w33Daz: A WIS LIKE WTF |
Maeltstome
Minmatar D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.01.14 00:30:00 -
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Originally by: Chi Quan
Originally by: Ogron btw, recently fought against a Crow pilot that was running at about 22 km/s. he can push that above 35 km/s with mindlinks and gang bonuses.
i doubt this, i know that eft has it's quirks, but the max i put together get is 23kms, and that is with all 5s, ganged, cybered and full faction. where do the other 10kms come from?
Nano has been nerfed! Cept i've seen a vagabond move at over 50k/s, tanking its cap permanently. Think deadspace :) -------
[12:07] w33Daz: a trained 1 skill fur 24 mins n it took 2 days aff drones lvl 5 [12:07] w33Daz: A WIS LIKE WTF |
Elmicker
The Phoenix Rising FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2008.01.14 01:16:00 -
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Originally by: Chi Quan i doubt this, i know that eft has it's quirks, but the max i put together get is 23kms, and that is with all 5s, ganged, cybered and full faction. where do the other 10kms come from?
49.4km/s
Boosters give something like an extra 30% for 64.22km/s.
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Ogron
Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.01.14 01:25:00 -
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Originally by: Chi Quan
Originally by: Ogron btw, recently fought against a Crow pilot that was running at about 22 km/s. he can push that above 35 km/s with mindlinks and gang bonuses.
i doubt this, i know that eft has it's quirks, but the max i put together get is 23kms, and that is with all 5s, ganged, cybered and full faction. where do the other 10kms come from?
I spent a long time speaking to this pilot about this. Believe me, he popped through the gate into a 200 strong gang. As soon as he de-cloaked command was given to engage (obviously) and within the blink of an eye he was 50-60 km's away. He was regularly orbiting our gang at a steady 22 km/s and scouting for a hostile fleet. He was running this without having a gang in local to provide ganglinks or gang bonuses.
http://traffic.darkphiber.info/files/clawfitting.jpg
His claw btw. And he also sent me a picture of his Vaga doing 99 km/s. ---
[Reacz]Morsus Mihi - Sit on their throne sucking the the sweet teet of plex running so I'm told |
Lucian Stratos
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Posted - 2008.01.14 05:22:00 -
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Originally by: Ogron Edited by: Ogron on 12/01/2008 17:54:57 Edited by: Ogron on 12/01/2008 17:53:52 First of all if you planning on using this for PvP you should 100% of the time fitting an MWD. A crow running at 1700 m/s is going to die, very quickly, and probably not be able to do it's job of actually tackling anything.
Second, if you can't fit an MWD yet and already have bought a Gistii MWD you have too much money. Same goes for 50m rigs.
Third, unless you actually know how to fly a rigged/Gistii MWD crow in PvP you are still going to die. Very quickly.
As an interceptor pilot you will probably die, often. These things happen. Your there to tackle targets to make sure they don't get away and until the cavalry arrive. As such they will try to kill you, as quickly as possible.
First impressions are that you are going to lose this ship and then cry about it. Mainly because you spent loads and loads of money on a paperthin ship that will get popped the first time a drone even looks at it. Second impressions are that even if you managed to survive long enough to tackle something your skills are so low that running MWD and a point will cap you out in about 15 seconds. At which point you will die.
Once you have about 1m SP in Navigation you are getting towards being a good Ceptor pilot. Then add on to that the minimum requirments and benifits of Long Range Targeting, Signal Aquisition and Propulsion Jamming you are starting to get there.
My serious advice would be to shelve your rigged Crow. Seriously. Dont take it out of the hanger. Buy another Crow (you obviously have the cash from somewhere) and just fit it all Tech 2. Simple, cheap, effective. Does what it says on the tin. Once you have lost a few dozen of these THEN you can maybe think about starting to fly your rigged Gistii Crow.
My 0.02 Isk.
Edit: btw, recently fought against a Crow pilot that was running at about 22 km/s. he can push that above 35 km/s with mindlinks and gang bonuses.
I Aggree with ALL of the above
I have flown the crow for some time now with good sucsess both solo and in a gang the times i have lost a crow it was 1./ Drones 2./ Webed thease two things are the bane of a ceptor pilots life!!!
You seem to have ISK so if you want to try my set-up it is as follows
HIGH SLOTS 3 X Standard Missile Launcher`s
MEDIUM SLOTS 1 X MWD 1 X Warp Scram 1 X Cap Recharger
LOW SLOTS 2 X Overdrives 1 X Cap Power Relay
RIGS 2 X Aux Thrusters
All except the rigs are T2
this ain`t the fastest crow in eve but it dose the job and it is easily replacable coz as the ceptor pilot you WILL get targeted until the gang arrives as for soloing with this setup stick to T1 frigs and maybe cruisers as long as it aint a gallente one
as for putting expensive Gistii kit on a ceptor why?? it just aint worth it all you will be doing is giving someone some verry nice loot
Fly safe Kill Lot`s
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Ralara
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Posted - 2008.01.14 08:33:00 -
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Originally by: Recon Three So my current setup on my Crow is as follows:
3x Arbalest ColdGas Arcjet, Gistii MWD (In 23 hours :( ) 2x Hull Overdrive Injector System II, 1x Inertia Stabilizer II ___
I just installed a polycarbon engine housing on my ship last night and I haven't noticed any difference in speed, whether I'm using my AB or not. Is this normal or did I make a 50M mistake? My max speed with AB on is 1793 KM/s. I read through a Crow thread and people are saying that they can reach speeds of up to 11KM/s?
Should I just wait until I can equip my MWD and see what happens then? Any help would be appreciated.
As said the polys will only help when a MWD is turned on.
I would also suggest trying a tech 2 fit for a while, whilst you get used to it.
My standard fit for a crow is this:
3x missile launcher I 1x prototype cloak*
1x 1mn MWD II 1x Warp Disruptor II 1x Cap recharger II
3x Overdrive Injector II
Occasionally some rigs.
* the cloak is usually turned off so it doesn't affect lock time, but it's useful if I'm scouting rather than tackling
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Wardeneo
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.01.14 10:59:00 -
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this probably isnt very constructive - i appologise, but train for a malidiction, its much better imho but i suppose its peronal preference
wardeneo Support the introduction of Blaze M crystals for Amarr! (Or make Amarr the only race able to deal EM damage from turrets). |
Number 17
Caldari COLD-Wing The Fourth District
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Posted - 2008.01.14 13:32:00 -
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Bring your faction fitted crow to a dogfight with my t2 crow, no polycarbs and hey i can even go without using implants.
If you put a decent fight i might teach you some tricks of the trade.
my resume shows 47 kills with a crow on the last 3 months. http://coldwing.griefwatch.net/index.php?p=kills&iname=Number%2017&itype=Crow
One more thing, if you plan on using that gistii, ppl will open up your info, see that you are 3 month old, flying a 250 mill ship, and primary will be smeared all over local with your blood. a good sabre/hugin/ceptor pilot can smell a gistii mwd 5 jumps away.
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Ralara
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Posted - 2008.01.14 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Number 17 Bring your faction fitted crow to a dogfight with my t2 crow, no polycarbs and hey i can even go without using implants.
If you put a decent fight i might teach you some tricks of the trade.
my resume shows 47 kills with a crow on the last 3 months. http://coldwing.griefwatch.net/index.php?p=kills&iname=Number%2017&itype=Crow
One more thing, if you plan on using that gistii, ppl will open up your info, see that you are 3 month old, flying a 250 mill ship, and primary will be smeared all over local with your blood. a good sabre/hugin/ceptor pilot can smell a gistii mwd 5 jumps away.
heh come dogfight me, over 60 kills in a crow in the last week ;)
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Number 17
Caldari COLD-Wing The Fourth District
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Posted - 2008.01.14 17:33:00 -
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Lies!
BTW, crow is best interceptor by far.
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Ralara
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Posted - 2008.01.14 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Number 17 Edited by: Number 17 on 14/01/2008 17:38:44 Lies! IBIS DONT COUNT !
BTW, crow is best interceptor by far.
EDIT: i checked killboard and your setup sucks. big time. a cloak?a cap recharger? GG.
Originally by: Number 17 Edited by: Number 17 on 14/01/2008 17:38:44 Lies! IBIS DONT COUNT !
BTW, crow is best interceptor by far.
EDIT: i checked killboard and your setup sucks. big time. a cloak?a cap recharger? GG.
And some reapers! :p
As I said in my other post, the cloak is generally not online - I use it when scouting or checking out gate camps. It's more handy than you think :)
What's wrong with a cap recharger anyway?
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Ogron
Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.01.14 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ralara And some reapers! :p
As I said in my other post, the cloak is generally not online - I use it when scouting or checking out gate camps. It's more handy than you think :)
What's wrong with a cap recharger anyway?
Offlined cloak for scouting when there's not a Cov Ops pilot about, yeah that's fair enough.
Cap Recharger? fit that last mid with something useful. Perhaps a webber for example. Since your their to tackle. If your having to fit a cap recharger as a mid slot filler it probably means your Cap Skills need work. Mine are average and I can run a point and my MWD for well over 2 minutes flat. No pulsing. MWD runs for over 5 minutes solo. If your having to run your mods for that long then either you or your gang is doing something wrong.
Get your cap skills up to scratch and fit something useful to your gang. Your the pilot responsible for trying to catch all those Nano'd pilots and try and pin em down. No point being able to run a point for 10 minutes if he's just going to fly out of range in 2 seconds. ---
[Reacz] Morsus Mihi - Sit on their thrones sucking the sweet teet of plex running so I've heard. |
Boondok
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Posted - 2008.01.15 04:43:00 -
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Originally by: Ogron Edited by: Ogron on 12/01/2008 17:54:57 Edited by: Ogron on 12/01/2008 17:53:52 Edit: btw, recently fought against a Crow pilot that was running at about 22 km/s. he can push that above 35 km/s with mindlinks and gang bonuses.
35 km/s crow, meet my 50 km ranged dual webbers. Then eat my arties.
Enjoy losing a 400 million isk ship to a ship that popped outta nowhere. Priceless.
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Von Blue
Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.01.15 06:07:00 -
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3 arbies
1mn mwd t2 1 warp dis t2 1 cap recharger 2
1 overdrive t2 2 cap power relay t2
YaRRR...Take what you can, give nothing back!
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Sauromugue
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Posted - 2008.01.15 06:24:00 -
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Originally by: Boondok
Originally by: Ogron Edited by: Ogron on 12/01/2008 17:54:57 Edited by: Ogron on 12/01/2008 17:53:52 Edit: btw, recently fought against a Crow pilot that was running at about 22 km/s. he can push that above 35 km/s with mindlinks and gang bonuses.
35 km/s crow, meet my 50 km ranged dual webbers. Then eat my arties.
Enjoy losing a 400 million isk ship to a ship that popped outta nowhere. Priceless.
LOL he'll coast out of your webber range with inertia in like 2 seconds genius. Have you tried this? Yeah, it doesn't work.
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Boondok
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Posted - 2008.01.15 08:20:00 -
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Originally by: Sauromugue
Originally by: Boondok
Originally by: Ogron Edited by: Ogron on 12/01/2008 17:54:57 Edited by: Ogron on 12/01/2008 17:53:52 Edit: btw, recently fought against a Crow pilot that was running at about 22 km/s. he can push that above 35 km/s with mindlinks and gang bonuses.
35 km/s crow, meet my 50 km ranged dual webbers. Then eat my arties.
Enjoy losing a 400 million isk ship to a ship that popped outta nowhere. Priceless.
LOL he'll coast out of your webber range with inertia in like 2 seconds genius. Have you tried this? Yeah, it doesn't work.
Depends on where you uncloak at honestly. If you uncloak 10k under him, and you web him, along with MWDing after him, you should be able to easily get him down to a controllable speed.
Might not work for you if you're a terrible pilot, but these things happen.
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Ralara
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Posted - 2008.01.15 08:27:00 -
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Originally by: Ogron
Originally by: Ralara And some reapers! :p
As I said in my other post, the cloak is generally not online - I use it when scouting or checking out gate camps. It's more handy than you think :)
What's wrong with a cap recharger anyway?
Offlined cloak for scouting when there's not a Cov Ops pilot about, yeah that's fair enough.
Cap Recharger? fit that last mid with something useful. Perhaps a webber for example. Since your their to tackle. If your having to fit a cap recharger as a mid slot filler it probably means your Cap Skills need work. Mine are average and I can run a point and my MWD for well over 2 minutes flat. No pulsing. MWD runs for over 5 minutes solo. If your having to run your mods for that long then either you or your gang is doing something wrong.
Get your cap skills up to scratch and fit something useful to your gang. Your the pilot responsible for trying to catch all those Nano'd pilots and try and pin em down. No point being able to run a point for 10 minutes if he's just going to fly out of range in 2 seconds.
Right, you and me, handbags at dawn!
My setup works for me. Unless requested to, I don't fit a webber. The way I see it, I can web them, they can web me. And I don't like being webbed
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Elitia
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Posted - 2008.01.15 15:03:00 -
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I don't get how some of you need to fit more than one cap module... I only have high speed maneuvring 3 and I can fly a mwd and disruptor for 10+ minutes with a Cap Recharger II.
On another note, I have tried various fits in the lows, but my conclusion so far is that 3x Overdrive Injectors t2 will give me better speed than a nano and two overdrives. If you do put a nano and overdrives together, the poly rigs will be nerfed, because of penalty. Also, two auxiliary rigs are nerfed to death with overdrives in lows because of penalty. That is why nano rigs are so much more expensive than aux rigs.
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Ogron
Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.01.15 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Ralara Right, you and me, handbags at dawn!
My setup works for me. Unless requested to, I don't fit a webber. The way I see it, I can web them, they can web me. And I don't like being webbed
I'm not saying your fit doesn't work for you at all. You wouldn't use it if it didn't. Im just pointing out that you could bring a lot more versatility to a gang by fitting a webber over a cap recharger.
I'd like you to tell me the number of times that you have had to run a point and your MWD for over 5 minutes? Then I'd like you to tell me the number of times you've tried to solo tackle a nano'd HAC or another Inty and he's gotten away due to being faster than you.
And to poster above. If you are running a pure inty speed tank you should need no Cap mods at all. You have no reppers which is the biggest drain on your Cap.
For non rigged inties, 2 OD II's and a Nanofiber II is usually the best option. For Speed rigs run Nanofibers and for Mass rigs run Overdrives. ---
[Reacz] Morsus Mihi - Sit on their thrones sucking the sweet teet of plex running so I've heard. |
FuzzBuzz
Caldari North Face Force
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Posted - 2008.01.15 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: VB Sarge Big reason why buying isk is bad, or, shoveling isk into a pvp ship thinking that you will win because of it. Can you hook me up with a fully fitted and rigged Stiletto if you have too much isk? hehe
making money in eve isnt hard, if your 100% carebear do you buy isk? (not saying this guy is),.. but noobs having lots of isk these days doesnt equate to buying isk. ----- In this game, what becomes popular becomes overpowered, what becomes overpowered gets nerfed. NEXT! endless cycle. |
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