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Ryctor
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Posted - 2004.03.23 21:33:00 -
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Quoting this from the support section of the webiste under the question " Why is stealing ore so easy?"
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The regular containers were designed to jettison unwanted items into space or to hold loot from blown up ships. They were designed so that any player could take from them because that was essential for them to function as they were intended. Players later invented the "container mining" method after noticing that the containers could hold way more than any cargohold. This use for the containers was never intended and it has the obvious flaw that any player with a reduced sense of right and wrong can come by and take everything from the container and no one can do anything about it.
So shut the **** about people jacking stuff out your trashcan.
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Dekar
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Posted - 2004.03.23 22:22:00 -
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In essence, the logic of "You jetisoned it, so it isn't yours, therefore I may take it" does not work in real life. You'd be hard pressed to explain to the cop that "She put the bag down on the table and went a littlebit away! It was owned by noone, so I came along and took it. It's mine now!"
Actually, it works that way in real life. If there's something dropped on the ground and someone else picks it up. Then that person hasn't done anything illegal at all.
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Come now, hardly practical.
Risk free. That's what we're talking about. Taking ore out of cans you didn't mine yourself is practical. Yet, you're whining about it, how come? Oh right, it doesn't count when it doesn't suit you.
And your solution would introduce a whole new level of newbie ganking. I don't even want to point out the most obvious problems that flow forth out of it. Think it through next time.
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Why would stealing not be considered a crime in high-security areas?
Because it's not considered stealing.
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Aegis Osiris
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Posted - 2004.03.23 22:43:00 -
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Come now, hardly practical.
Risk free. That's what we're talking about. Taking ore out of cans you didn't mine yourself is practical. Yet, you're whining about it, how come? Oh right, it doesn't count when it doesn't suit you.
And your solution would introduce a whole new level of newbie ganking. I don't even want to point out the most obvious problems that flow forth out of it. Think it through next time.
Dekar, before the secure cans were introduced, mining with your cargo hold only WASN'T practical. Everyone used the cans, and thieves prospered. Thats why they introduced secure cans in the first place. If you are going to quote me to make your point, please make sure you use the WHOLE quote, please.
Also, you seem to be arguing that mining without using secure cans should always be a risk, but that taking ore from someones can in 0.5 or higher space SHOULDN'T have any risk. And please, don't try to say that the time spent finding miners is a risk, we all know that is a very weak arguement.
And exactly how would incorporating a way to declare a vendetta on someone who wronged you lead to newbie ganking?? Who would bother declaring this on a noob for the sole purpose of ganking them? I'd like to see an explanation of this one.
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Why would stealing not be considered a crime in high-security areas?
Because it's not considered stealing.
Dekar, why are you so reluctant to call it what it is? If this is how you make your money, then stand up and be proud of it! Just say it Deknar, "I am and Ore Thief!" That's not so hard, is it? 
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Stratosfear
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Posted - 2004.03.23 23:38:00 -
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Sigh... it wouldn't be so bad if Sec Cans weren't so small that they cannot support the capacity of ore I generate per hour
For goodness sakes, if you generate so much ore per hour then get some indy to pick it up for you and pay them.
What a whiner. Actually I see the corp of yours a perfect candidate for an empire war. This kind of carebear holier-than-thou boobs like yourself make me want to say yarr!
If I see you mining anywhere I will blow up your can, I promise.
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Zelota > my hands are the best
Zelota > and i can kill every ship in this game on my own in a rupture
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Skelator
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Posted - 2004.03.23 23:54:00 -
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Edited by: Kalhan on 23/03/2004 17:56:31
Hi guys,
I''m Back. I know you all missed me while I was on vacation. If you wish me to hunt ore thiefs give me a msg.
Ok lets make it interesting for the little guy..
1 mill for Tenaj's corpe plus screens shots of His/Her indy blowing up
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Eisha
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Posted - 2004.03.24 00:05:00 -
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Can we get this thread locked or something? ITs booooring....
"There is a ***** in everything,
thats how the light gets in." -Lenord Cohen |
Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2004.03.24 00:26:00 -
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Edited by: Talon SilverHawk on 24/03/2004 00:29:40
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Ore thieves = Scum
Doesn't matter what lame excuse you come up with you are scum. Someone else works hard (boring mining) and you think you have the right to steal it. Scum
Tal
Grow up Talon.
If people are too greedy to use sec cans in 0.5 and above they deserve all they get.
I see a lot of people who mine into secure cans. They cost money, they are a pain in the *rse to deploy and have to frequently be emptied BUT the owners have no problems with thieves. People like you feel you have a god given right not to put yourelf to that inconvenience. You need to take a reality check.
Everyone who mines into a jet can in 0.5 and above knows the risks, sometimes it pays off and sometimes the likes of me find them. When I do you have no right to whine. You give the finger to all those around you who invest in secure cans then complain when you get robbed.
Go play the sims with Adrianna
Tenaj
xxxxxx
Grow up well thanks for that bit of advice I'll sleep on it. In the mean time a thief is still SCUM what ever crap excuse you come up with to try and justify your pathetic actions.
"oh it was lying there and if I take in in this sec space there is nothing they can do about it I'm so cool"
Nighty night
Tal
What goes around comes around...
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Clain Matta
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Posted - 2004.03.24 01:31:00 -
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Name .2-.4 systems where 2-3 cruisers spawn at once.
Spawns have been severely nerfed over the last 2 weeks, no cruisers to be seen.
You can mine all you want in these systems with heavy drones helping out.
Avair, Sibot, Old Man Star, Valmu
Want me to figure out any more,
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Stratosfear
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Posted - 2004.03.24 04:16:00 -
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Avair, Sibot, Old Man Star, Valmu
That's not the point, point is that there's plenty WITHOUT cruiser spawns.
And I was asking that particular guy actually, wondering if he explored and knew for sure.
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Zelota > my hands are the best
Zelota > and i can kill every ship in this game on my own in a rupture
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Dekar
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Posted - 2004.03.24 06:44:00 -
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Edited by: Dekar on 24/03/2004 06:49:43
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Dekar, before the secure cans were introduced, mining with your cargo hold only WASN'T practical. Everyone used the cans, and thieves prospered. Thats why they introduced secure cans in the first place. If you are going to quote me to make your point, please make sure you use the WHOLE quote, please.
What are you talking about? This entire conversation was never about practical or not. Like what that other person said, I'd refer you to mining in 0.0, Much more practical to mine there than above space.
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Also, you seem to be arguing that mining without using secure cans should always be a risk, but that taking ore from someones can in 0.5 or higher space SHOULDN'T have any risk. And please, don't try to say that the time spent finding miners is a risk, we all know that is a very weak arguement.
You may find that a weak argument, but I can't see how it's not true. People who have their ore stolen are either unlucky, lazy, dumb or all 3. And you can vastly reduce the odds of the first reason. I've never had my ore stolen, why do you think that is? And I'm not even using secure cans. I've explained several options already. Like I said, if you don't want your ore stolen, either use your brain or use secure cans.
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Who would bother declaring this on a noob for the sole purpose of ganking them? I'd like to see an explanation of this one.
The hell do you think gatecamping is? Tanking? "Pirates" do ANYTHING to get an advantage and gank newbies. Your solution has more holes than a SA 1000 members harem.
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Why would stealing not be considered a crime in high-security areas?
Because it's not considered stealing.
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Dekar, why are you so reluctant to call it what it is? If this is how you make your money, then stand up and be proud of it! Just say it Deknar, "I am and Ore Thief!" That's not so hard, is it?
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The regular containers were designed to jettison unwanted items into space or to hold loot from blown up ships. They were designed so that any player could take from them because that was essential for them to function as they were intended.
And why the hell would I be an ore thief? I could never make enough as an ore thief as I do now as a miner. Even when dealing with people like you (though that is certainly debatable).
PS: This is by far one of the worst coded forums I've ever seen.
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PropanElgen
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Posted - 2004.03.24 08:37:00 -
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Things you jettison aren't yours. End of the story.
They are until someone else takes them. And don't give me that "I don't see your name on it" bull**** because I do see my name on my cans.
And you're a jackass if you take someone elses stuff.
What part of jettison do you not understand?
All the angels and the puny men of god looked away...
Frightened to death by the evil that was born on that day!
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PropanElgen
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Posted - 2004.03.24 08:40:00 -
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Grow up well thanks for that bit of advice I'll sleep on it. In the mean time a thief is still SCUM what ever crap excuse you come up with to try and justify your pathetic actions.
"oh it was lying there and if I take in in this sec space there is nothing they can do about it I'm so cool"
You guys shoot down hauling indy's so how is that any different from salvaging ore from a jettisoned container?
Other than not losing their ship if someone just salvage their ore?
All the angels and the puny men of god looked away...
Frightened to death by the evil that was born on that day!
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CKOZUK
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Posted - 2004.03.24 09:09:00 -
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How about this one, seeing as people believe anything in a jet can is anybodys property:
Your corp is in a war your sat at a gate lets say in Yulai waiting for your enemy to pass thrugh. So they you are sat in your BS with all your expensive rare mods that took you a lot of time/cash to find and then your enemy turns up you and your friends open fire, enemy opens fire. Your BS gets blown and all your lovely mods are now in a jet can.
Now I jump into the system as I jump in I see your BS go BOOM and see the jet can.
Your talking to your corp mates asking one of them to pick up your stuff he/she says sure and heads towards the Jet can.
I upon seeing the can MWD in there not knowing you asked your corp mate to pick up the stuff, get to the can and empty taking all your rare mods and weapons then warp out.
end of story
Now how many of you wouldn't complain? How many of you wouldn't threaten me? How may of you would scream in local "GIVE ME BACK MY STUFF" "YOUR GOING ON MY KOS LIST".
I bet very few of you would accept that he got there first it was in a jet can so its anybodys property props to him.
Ive seen it so many times in local in corp wars when passing through: " LEAVE THE CANS" "OI THATS MY STUFF" and the above threats.
The above text is my own views which may not represent my corps views.
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Isang Relow
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Posted - 2004.03.24 09:09:00 -
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Can we please get this thread locked, it's going no-where.
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Dekar
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Posted - 2004.03.24 09:52:00 -
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Edited by: Dekar on 24/03/2004 09:57:15
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How about this one, seeing as people believe anything in a jet can is anybodys property:
Your corp is in a war your sat at a gate lets say in Yulai waiting for your enemy to pass thrugh. So they you are sat in your BS with all your expensive rare mods that took you a lot of time/cash to find and then your enemy turns up you and your friends open fire, enemy opens fire. Your BS gets blown and all your lovely mods are now in a jet can.
Now I jump into the system as I jump in I see your BS go BOOM and see the jet can.
Your talking to your corp mates asking one of them to pick up your stuff he/she says sure and heads towards the Jet can.
I upon seeing the can MWD in there not knowing you asked your corp mate to pick up the stuff, get to the can and empty taking all your rare mods and weapons then warp out.
end of story
Now how many of you wouldn't complain? How many of you wouldn't threaten me? How may of you would scream in local "GIVE ME BACK MY STUFF" "YOUR GOING ON MY KOS LIST".
I bet very few of you would accept that he got there first it was in a jet can so its anybodys property props to him.
Ive seen it so many times in local in corp wars when passing through: " LEAVE THE CANS" "OI THATS MY STUFF" and the above threats.
Learn the difference between whining about "it" and "it" being something illegal.
Nobody said you can't be ****ed off. It's your fcking life, you can be ****ed off about EVERYTHING for all I care. It does NOT make it ILLEGAL.
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They were designed so that any player could take from them because that was essential for them to function as they were intended.
Buy it, read it, bite it, chew it, swallow it and have it become part of your blood that goes through your brain. As that is the truth no matter how you whine, cry, protest or petition.
On that note, I'd prefer you not whining about something that's perfectly legal and not an exploit. In fact, the ones exploiting the cans thingy are those using it to save up the ore.
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CKOZUK
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Posted - 2004.03.24 10:02:00 -
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Edited by: CKOZUK on 24/03/2004 10:03:44
Dekar I do believe you didn't grasp the point in my post so I will write it plain and simply in words for you.
I meant by my post that the majority of people who are pro ore theives and think what they do is right and are flaming the whiners for whining about people stealing ore would no doubt whine, gripe and threaten when there precious mods get stolen. At no point did I say it should be illegal.
The above text is my own views which may not represent my corps views.
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Dekar
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Posted - 2004.03.24 10:15:00 -
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Edited by: CKOZUK on 24/03/2004 10:03:44
Dekar I do believe you didn't grasp the point in my post so I will write it plain and simply in words for you.
I meant by my post that the majority of people who are pro ore theives and think what they do is right and are flaming the whiners for whining about people stealing ore would no doubt whine, gripe and threaten when there precious mods get stolen. At no point did I say it should be illegal.
Isn't that like stating the obvious? Anyhow, sorry bout that, in flame mode it gets a bit edgy :p
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CKOZUK
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Posted - 2004.03.24 10:43:00 -
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Edited by: CKOZUK on 24/03/2004 10:03:44
Dekar I do believe you didn't grasp the point in my post so I will write it plain and simply in words for you.
I meant by my post that the majority of people who are pro ore theives and think what they do is right and are flaming the whiners for whining about people stealing ore would no doubt whine, gripe and threaten when there precious mods get stolen. At no point did I say it should be illegal.
Isn't that like stating the obvious? Anyhow, sorry bout that, in flame mode it gets a bit edgy :p
lol it is but some of them need it pointing out to them
The above text is my own views which may not represent my corps views.
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Tenaj
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Posted - 2004.03.24 16:11:00 -
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Hmmmm............Skelator offered a mill ISK for my corpse eh?
I'm flattered and feel it'd be rude of me not to repay the compliment. I will happily pay 2 mill for his, with the usual proof of ship destruction etc. by a non corp member
Channel TOOKURSTUFF, serving the Criminal community.
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.03.24 16:13:00 -
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Locked for flaming.
Getting really hot around here.
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
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