Because supers being everywhere is such a problem, I propose that we add in more supers, each more broken than the ones we already have.

Yeah, no, supers need a nerf, we don't need even more of the buggers running all over (especially not in the even-more-op state that you've proposed).

How about making titans modular and customizable like tech 3 cruisers?

Titans should stay in the game when the pilot logs off, left floating in space inside POS shields.

I don't see a problem with a ship with many roles. It is after all a titan, a capital of capitals, flagship of the armada.
What is wrong with multiple roles with a 50 billion ship?

Easy way to balance Titans is to remove their turrets.

Dreads have turrets for Capital and POS bashing and the Titan will still have it's DD for the near instapopping of other capitals.

Will solve the Titan problem and make Dreads useful again.

Titans may need fine tuning but the problem is that many more are being made than destroyed. What needs balancing is how to ensure that the growth in *numbers* of titans that can be fielded in combat is limited. A proposal for a mechanic to enable this was made in this post.

Counter proposal:

(1) Admit Titans were a huge mistake, even though they sounded :awesome: at the time

I fully support expanding capitals and super capital hull ranges.

But I flat out reject this proposal.

Titans are not broken. They were designed to be giant dicks and they are working exactly as intended.

Blobbing Rifter pilots crying about blobbing supers and...........

Titan balancing has been an issue for some time, and from reading the recent CSM meeting notes with CCP, it seems that there still isn't a good resolution in sight. I have a suggestion that may help with that, but I want to make a few observations first.


#1 Just fixing the Titan tracking problem will not fix Titans as a whole.

#2 Each ship has a role that it was designed for/excels at, with the exception of the Titan and Tech 3 cruisers.

#3 The Titan currently has the capabilities to perform up to 4 different roles: Logistics(Bridging/Clone Vat), Combat(Capital Weapons), Command(Gang Links/Titan Fleet Bonus), and Super-weapon platform.


My proposal to the the CSM is that the Titan be broken down into 3 different ships, each flying away with some of the capabilities of the original ship.

The Titan would retain its super-weapon, and the fleet bonuses. (Titan mkII)

The first new hull would get the clone vat bay and bridging capabilities. (Mothership)

That leaves the combat capabilities for the last new hull. (Superdreadnought)

Each of these hulls would need a little fleshing out to make them fully realized as a ship of their own, but this breakdown puts us well on the way towards that goal. The Superdreadnaught could have 6 gun slots, the ability to siege, plus some/all of the titan's bonus to capital weapon damage. The Mothership could have bi-directional bridging to a cyno in addition to its clone vat bay, but force it to deploy or enter a "triage" like mode to use its bridges. The Titan mkII would probably require a rework of the super-weapon. Possibly something along the lines of a focused beam weapon that ramps up the damage based on the time spent firing at a single target. And while I think that it shouldn't be able to fire at sub caps, I do think that ships that make the mistake of flying through the path of a beam in progress should be affected in some way shape of form. The amount of havoc that the doomsday causes on the target ship should also cause some kind of warp scrambling effect or energy neutralization as well. (This may also solve the current lack of a dedicated capital class heavy tackler)

In all, this would bring us to having:
Carriers, Dreads, Supercarriers, Superdreads, and Titan mkII's for combat.
Freighters, Jump Freighters, Rorquals, and Motherships for logistics and industry.

The biggest drawback to this plan that I can see is figuring out what would happen to current titan pilot's ships, and getting the new ships out there to be used without much downtime. I have a few ideas for resolving this, but it would turn this post into more of a wall O' text than it is already.

Let me know what you think, and I can go into more detail as needed.

I would add to motherships that they do not have drones (fighters, or fighter bombers) but have a huge ship maintenance array that can hold a large number of sub caps including battleship hulls. like a super super carrier only without the drones. the drones would be the other pilots ships docking in the maintenance array.

This could even be expanded where players can actually dock inside the mothership and sit in a pilots lounge while the mothership jumps to the staging area. so they go with there ship for the ride rather than the current mechanics of docking your ship and being left outside in your pod.

Giant, unstoppable, pwnmobiles are not fun. Turn Titans into something resembling mobile outposts, and remove the bulk of their combat capabilities entirely. The OP's idea is terrible.

This is not really possible, as we would effectively removing a ship that some people have invested a lot of time and money to train into. We need to find a way to adjust, change, and re-balance them, without making them not worth flying, otherwise we might as well just remove them from the game, at which point we would still have a lot of upset titan pilots.

Supercarriers - giant corp hangars, capable of replacing losses on the fly.

Need to change from your T3 fleet to your BS fleet on the fly?

Titans - Jump bridges and doomsdays. Buff the doomsdays up to be a reasonable counter to the new style of supercarrier. Remove the turrets.

And get rid of the EWar immunity on both.

This goes beyond the scope of my proposal as it would affect fights between subcap fleets more than capitals.
(Either way, I am not sure I like the implications of this idea.)

I always thought the objective should be more about fleet synergy, versus; 1k bs's vs. 300 caps, 500hacs, vs. 100 titans or some other random as number / fleet combo. Shouldn't the objective be giving every ship a role to fit the perfect fleet? Utilizing different race techniques to give variations and changes of, instead of MOAR DEEPS! or MOAR EHP! speed etc etc. shouldn't we be encouraging 'flanking' with say gallente ships, holding the line with amarr ships, coming around and firing cars up their asses with minmatar, while providing ewar, ranged support via caldari?

I would honestly like to see some kind of diminishing return for having a shitload of the same exact ship in a fleet engagement. Instead of giving bs's / caps or whatever ship a myriad of roles draw it down a bit. Hell a rock paper scissors balance should be in order. I kind of hope that weird random general discussion thread about diminishing returns on focus firing is added, give some ship list, give a job description institute officers, change channel priority and turn this into all those awsome fleet fights we see on the videos, hell that empyrean banner on the website was a nice rendition of what i would love to see. Can we work this way?