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Zarcan Caldari Kandor Fleet Systems VENOM Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.13 01:52:00 - [1] Basic current system stats... 3.0ghz Intel Processor (not duo) 1gb RAM ATI X850 Vid card. 160GB Hard drive, mostly for photos and EVE. Windows XP I can only run classic graphics on this system. I'm thinking about buying a GeForce 8500 GT for $150USD. I'm having difficulty gaining up the courage though, because I bought the X850 3 years ago for Battlefield 2 for $600USD and its not easy for me to believe that a $150 GeForce with Shader 4.0 and DX10 support will actually perform faster than my X850. That, and it says the GeForce is meant to be used on Vista, which my computer isn't setup for. My question is will I have any issues running this card on XP? Will my performance actually decline perhaps? I really appreciate you're responses. Thanks so much for helping me! =D
Miss Ore Caldari Thiefs United	Posted - 2008.01.13 01:55:00 - [2] The 8500 GT will out perform by far the X850. The card will work on XP, it just won't turn DX10 on I believe.
wierchas noobhunter Cosmic Fusion When Fat Kids Attack	Posted - 2008.01.13 02:00:00 - [3] dude 3 years ago ... u can get old in that time
Letava Gallente Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.13 02:00:00 - [4] Originally by: Miss Ore The 8500 GT will out perform by far the X850. I doubt that, it's a bad card and overpriced for $150. It is capable of running premium graphics, and will work with XP, but you should be able to do better in the price range. Try looking for the Radeon X1950 Pro or Radeon HD3850. -----------------------
Zarcan Caldari Kandor Fleet Systems VENOM Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.13 02:01:00 - [5] Originally by: Miss Ore The 8500 GT will out perform by far the X850. The card will work on XP, it just won't turn DX10 on I believe. I'm runnin' DX10 on my X850... is it possible that the GeForce wont but my X850 will? DX10 is the only thing my card can do. I am a noob. Eat me.
Letava Gallente Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.13 02:03:00 - [6] Originally by: Zarcan Originally by: Miss Ore The 8500 GT will out perform by far the X850. The card will work on XP, it just won't turn DX10 on I believe. I'm runnin' DX10 on my X850... is it possible that the GeForce wont but my X850 will? DX10 is the only thing my card can do. You are not running DX10 on that card. I don't know how you got that idea, but you aren't. -----------------------
Miss Ore Caldari Thiefs United	Posted - 2008.01.13 02:03:00 - [7] Originally by: Zarcan Originally by: Miss Ore The 8500 GT will out perform by far the X850. The card will work on XP, it just won't turn DX10 on I believe. I'm runnin' DX10 on my X850... is it possible that the GeForce wont but my X850 will? DX10 is the only thing my card can do. X850 can't on earth run the DX10. Only nvidia 8000s series and ATI HDs series can do that.
Zarcan Caldari Kandor Fleet Systems VENOM Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.13 02:06:00 - [8] Originally by: Letava Originally by: Zarcan Originally by: Miss Ore The 8500 GT will out perform by far the X850. The card will work on XP, it just won't turn DX10 on I believe. I'm runnin' DX10 on my X850... is it possible that the GeForce wont but my X850 will? DX10 is the only thing my card can do. Alright maybe I read something wrong. The X1950 has shader 4.0 and the X1950 has 3.0, and they are the same price. Hmm. You are not running DX10 on that card. I don't know how you got that idea, but you aren't. I am a noob. Eat me.
Letava Gallente Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2008.01.13 02:09:00 - [9] You messed up your quoting there, so I'm not sure what you meant. But the HD3850 is better than the X1950, if that's what you're asking -----------------------
Shinnen Caldari Northern Intelligence The Reckoning.	Posted - 2008.01.13 02:18:00 - [10] Linkage go there for comparison of gfx cards. -- Banned since 2005, back by popular demand! They said it wouldn't happen!!
Flamewave Contempt.	Posted - 2008.01.13 02:51:00 - [11] You'd be much better off getting an HD3850. __________
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.01.13 02:57:00 - [12] Edited by: Zeba on 13/01/2008 02:58:34 Or some flavor of the x1950 if your on a budget. Just make sure it has 512mb gddr3 as the price difference between the 256mb and 512mb version is only a few $. I bought the 512mb and it was only $109 US 2 months ago. Have no idea how cheap they are now. Originally by: Richard Phallus Come live with the common idiot, it's more fun down here. I did and got banned.
Jasahl Toruken Amarr Open Concepts	Posted - 2008.01.13 03:00:00 - [13] There is no possibility to run anything on DX10 if you're running XP DX10 is Vista only
Ix Forres Vanguard Frontiers Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.01.13 03:05:00 - [14] Edited by: Ix Forres on 13/01/2008 03:05:57 Originally by: Letava Originally by: Miss Ore The 8500 GT will out perform by far the X850. I doubt that, it's a bad card and overpriced for $150. It is capable of running premium graphics, and will work with XP, but you should be able to do better in the price range. Try looking for the Radeon X1950 Pro or Radeon HD3850. For much less than the cost of a HD3850 you could get a 7-series nVidia card which would outperform it. No, really. 8800GT would be a good card if you don't mind moving your budget up a bit. DX10 is useless- nobody's going to be using it any time soon. That said, most new cards have it anyway, but the requirement of Vista means you'd have to completely **** your system over to run DX10 apps. Blog
Akkrillo	Posted - 2008.01.13 03:18:00 - [15] i recently got a gts 8600 and it was running premium content pretty well up until a few days ago...my monitor is no longer accepting video signal from it and goes to power save mode. im sure its not the card and i just need to change some settings.
Fenderson Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2008.01.13 03:22:00 - [16] if its similar to the 8600 gt (which is what i use) you will be fine. i run XP and have no problem running premium graphics. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Oh dear, how about we all calm down a bit instead?
Zarcan Caldari Kandor Fleet Systems VENOM Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.13 04:24:00 - [17] Originally by: Fenderson if its similar to the 8600 gt (which is what i use) you will be fine. i run XP and have no problem running premium graphics. Good deal. Question real quick, guys... I have a feeling I'll get flak for this. I have AGP. I just looked into it and i realized it's not too easy to find with Nvidia. So looks like I'm going ATI. Hows the x1600? I am a noob. Eat me.
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.13 04:37:00 - [18] Originally by: Fenderson if its similar to the 8600 gt (which is what i use) you will be fine. i run XP and have no problem running premium graphics. Oh sure, real close, only less than half the speed (half the pipelines, nearly half the memory speed, lower core clock) As for the x1600 its a bit weak really, you should be able to find the HD 2600pro quite cheap and its acceptable with a bit of overclocking, though the 8600GT is faster. I would try and find an x1900pro/x1950GT AGP for the best bang for the buck. If its US or UK let me know and I can point you to them. --------------------------------- Oh noes!
Zarcan Caldari Kandor Fleet Systems VENOM Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.13 05:02:00 - [19] Originally by: Arana Tellen Originally by: Fenderson if its similar to the 8600 gt (which is what i use) you will be fine. i run XP and have no problem running premium graphics. Oh sure, real close, only less than half the speed (half the pipelines, nearly half the memory speed, lower core clock) As for the x1600 its a bit weak really, you should be able to find the HD 2600pro quite cheap and its acceptable with a bit of overclocking, though the 8600GT is faster. I would try and find an x1900pro/x1950GT AGP for the best bang for the buck. If its US or UK let me know and I can point you to them. Thanks a bunch man, you're a life saver. I've decided on the HD2600 pro. It supports everything for EVE premium, correct? I didn't bother to look up shaders, just it's more technical specs. It outperforms the 8500 gt nicely as well, and its AGP. This is US, and I intend on going to Fry's Electronics soon and finding their prices. Is there a non- Diamond verson of that card? I've had bad experiences with Diamond. If you could point me at the rights sites I'd really appreciate it! =) I am a noob. Eat me.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Cult of Rawr	Posted - 2008.01.13 05:18:00 - [20] 8500GT is a horrible, horrible card. If you really don't want to spend much at all on a videocard - get a 7600GT (which actually outperforms the 8500 by a large margain irrc except when dealing with shaders)
Gojyu Ever Flow Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.13 05:21:00 - [21] Originally by: Rawr Cristina 8500GT is a horrible, horrible card. If you really don't want to spend much at all on a videocard - get a 7600GT (which actually outperforms the 8500 by a large margain irrc except when dealing with shaders) I'm running a 7600GT and say go for it. The 7600 is a fantastic card, runs eve like a dream and is cheap as chips to boot Now accepting signature commissions, contact me in-game for pricing
Kryttos Caldari Hard Corp	Posted - 2008.01.13 23:55:00 - [22] hell im running a 6800 XT and its still a nice card.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.01.14 00:07:00 - [23] Edited by: Akita T on 14/01/2008 00:11:15 I have a 8500GT (512 MB), built a new system for my girlfriend with a 7300GT (256 MB), and even if her CPU is at 2.2 (mine is at a puny 1.6, same family, same everything), everything else that might matter is almost identical too (even the difference in price was minimal, however I bought mine about 3 months ago, hers last week), yet her system gets roughly DOUBLE the FPS in EVE premium. Yes, DOUBLE (mine, around 40 usually, hers, around 80 usually). I wouldn't believe it myself at first either. Get a 7300GT. It's barely 60-70$. And will almost certainly outperform the 150$ 8500GT in practice, even if "on paper" it definetely shouldn't. And anyway, it would run DX10 stuff crappy (and you'd have to get Vista in the first place, the horror), so it's not a good choice IMHO. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2008.01.14 00:30:00 - [24] DX 10 with Vista does work with non DX 10 cards you just dont get all the new features. ----------------------------------------------- My new years resolution is to give up nonconstructive posting
Daelorn State War Academy	Posted - 2008.01.14 01:05:00 - [25] Ack get a 8800GT!... And a new mobo, and new ram, and a dual core processor... Just get a whole new computer!
Calshim Monty Python's Ministry of Stupidity	Posted - 2008.01.14 01:22:00 - [26] I'm running premium perfectly well on a 7600GS 256mb. Runs perfectly well without issues. ----------------------------------------------- Welcome to EvE, where the School of Hard Knocks comes for (it's) Education.
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.14 01:33:00 - [27] Originally by: Paulo Damarr DX 10 with Vista does work with non DX 10 cards you just dont get all the new features. Actually DX10 is not compatable at all with lower cards, vista comes with DX9L which it uses untill you put a new video card in and it will use DX10 --------------------------------- Oh noes!
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.14 01:40:00 - [28] Edited by: Arana Tellen on 14/01/2008 01:45:53 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102718 --------------------------------- Oh noes!
xavier69	Posted - 2008.01.14 02:06:00 - [29] Edited by: xavier69 on 14/01/2008 02:13:08 The card you are talking about an 8500GT EVGA 149.99 12.8 GB/s Memory Bandwidth. The card you should put forth the extra 40 bucks for it almost doubles its performance the GT model cards are for workstations and the GTS cards are for gaming they reversed the call letters for the 8000 series models this has caused a lot of confusion, i.e. comparing a 7600GT Vs 8600GT is comparing a budget gamer card vs. a workstation card The 8600 GTS EVGA 189.99 22.4 GB/s Memory Bandwidth So for 40 bucks more you get 9.6GB/s memory bandwidth, you will not be happy with the GT for more than 2-3 days, its intended purpose is not gaming which is glaring obvious by the amount of memory bandwidth it has. 8800GTS EVGA 359.99 62.1 GB/s Memory Bandwidth as you can see this card smokes them both I run one of these and there isnÆt a game I canÆt run on max settings smoothly, you will need at least a 550W power supply to support it I know this isnÆt in everyoneÆs budget But if your trying to max out enjoyment while saving money go the 8600GTS that is the best move the 8500GT is a deluxe workstation video card, 8400GT is a base workstation card. Nether of which will handle eve in premium graphics max out well. Also if you move on to any new titles in the store you will quickly realize eve new engine is already pretty outdated similar to the low requirements for playing wow. Its good business to allow a larger player base by lowering reqs but it will madding when you go to the store and try to buy crysis or bioshock or C&C3 or hell gate London. The 8600GTS can play those all just not uberly. The 8500GT will be hard pressed to play anything current other than eve and wow. Who am I? Your friendly +A essentials certified remote pc technician, Know my stuff well X
Rawr Cristina Caldari Cult of Rawr	Posted - 2008.01.14 02:08:00 - [30] Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 14/01/2008 02:11:12 Originally by: Akita T Get a 7300GT. It's barely 60-70$. And will almost certainly outperform the 150$ 8500GT in practice, even if "on paper" it definetely shouldn't. And anyway, it would run DX10 stuff crappy (and you'd have to get Vista in the first place, the horror), so it's not a good choice IMHO. I would never personally ever buy a low-tier card from any Geforce series since the numbers are misleading at first. The GF6600gt will outperform the 7300, the 7600gt will outperform the 8500, etc... in other words, getting a high-end card from an earlier series (6800) is usually much better than a low-end card from a newer series (8500) of the same price, at least as far as Nvidia go. Quote: The card you should put forth the extra 40 bucks for it almost doubles its performance the GT model cards are for workstations and the GTS cards are for gaming they reversed the call letters for the 8000 series models this has caused a lot of confusion, i.e. comparing a 7600GT Vs 8600GT is comparing a budget gamer card vs. a workstation card The 8600 GTS EVGA 189.99 22.4 GB/s Memory Bandwidth didn't know this. was wondering why my 8600GTM dosen't seem very good WTS Moros
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.01.14 02:29:00 - [31] Edited by: Akita T on 14/01/2008 02:30:55 Originally by: Rawr Cristina I would never personally ever buy a low-tier card from any Geforce series since the numbers are misleading at first. The GF6600gt will outperform the 7300, the 7600gt will outperform the 8500, etc... in other words, getting a high-end card from an earlier series (6800) is usually much better than a low-end card from a newer series (8500) of the same price, at least as far as Nvidia go. Except that a decent 7600GT is around 150$, and a 6600GT around 130$ too, about the same as the 8500GT the OP mentions, while the 7300GT is a measly 70$ at most, while offering quite a lot of performance (certainly more than enough for single-client EVE, that is). P.S. Of course, if you want quality/speed and money is not an issue, get a 8800GTS (around 350$ at least). 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.14 02:30:00 - [32] Edited by: Arana Tellen on 14/01/2008 02:32:22 Remember we are talking AGP here EDIT: Also remember the 8600GT is only 10-20% faster than the 7600GT. --------------------------------- Oh noes!
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.01.14 02:33:00 - [33] if it's AGP the best you can get is indeed the x1950. just make sure you have a PSU powerfull enough to feed the monster. --- planetary interaction idea!
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.01.14 02:42:00 - [34] Edited by: Akita T on 14/01/2008 02:44:12 Might as well throw out the MoBo and proc too then, and get new ones This is the machine I built for my GF (relevant parts only): CPU Intel Core 2 Duo E4500, 2200 MHz : 132.62 USD MB Gigabyte GA-P31-DS3L : 81.17 USD More or less generic PC-6400 memory, 2x1 GB kit (4-4-4-12) : 61.43 USD VC Asus EN7300GT-Silent/HTD/256M, GF 7300 GT, 256Mb 128-bit: 62.90 USD = 338.12 USD (+ taxes = aprox 400 USD) Everything else (or even the RAM too), you should be able to re-use from your old machine... I suppose you have at least a 450W PSU ? P.S. Runs silent as a mouse too. She hates the noise of computer fans, so I got her the quietest ones I could find too. Heck, the vidcard is completely fanless, it only has a HUGE heatsink (and I do mean huge). 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Steve Hawkings	Posted - 2008.01.14 03:09:00 - [35] bummer i only got 7300gt and i can play premium
Stabr0s	Posted - 2008.01.14 06:22:00 - [36] Edited by: Stabr0s on 14/01/2008 06:22:38 .
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.01.14 06:25:00 - [37] Originally by: Grimpak if it's AGP the best you can get is indeed the x1950. just make sure you have a PSU powerfull enough to feed the monster. Yes. But don't be intimidated by the 30amp 12v rail specs. I run mine off an 18amp setup and its stable as can be. Originally by: Richard Phallus Come live with the common idiot, it's more fun down here. I did and got banned.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Cult of Rawr	Posted - 2008.01.14 06:26:00 - [38] Originally by: Akita T Except that a decent 7600GT is around 150$, and a 6600GT around 130$ too, about the same as the 8500GT the OP mentions, while the 7300GT is a measly 70$ at most, while offering quite a lot of performance (certainly more than enough for single-client EVE, that is). P.S. Of course, if you want quality/speed and money is not an issue, get a 8800GTS (around 350$ at least). Your prices are very different to ones here in the UK then. a 7600GT is roughly ú50, whereas a 7300GT ú35 - that ú15 is absolutely nothing considered the fact the 7600 is twice as good. It just wouldn't make any sense to get any less WTS Moros
Dave White Beagle Corp	Posted - 2008.01.14 06:45:00 - [39] In that price range, definately go for a HD3850. If you have a bit more to spare, go for a HD3870 or 8800GT or 8800GTS (as long as they're 512MB) Originally by: Illyria Ambri Goonie posts are like coke... sure its entertaining in the beginning.. but the more you get the lower your IQ becomes.
KISOGOKU	Posted - 2008.01.14 06:59:00 - [40] Edited by: KISOGOKU on 14/01/2008 07:03:26 3850 is best vga card for agp ,wait some if you cant put yopur hand now or go for 1950pro/xt if you need now http://www.firingsquad.com/news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=19023 Btw ,akita are these prices real ?7600GT is 80$ and 8600gt is 120$-140$ in my country and and my country is generally 20% expensive than us and rest of europe .They are robbing you edit:prices without VAT
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.14 08:08:00 - [41] Edited by: Andrue on 14/01/2008 08:08:54 Originally by: Zarcan Basic current system stats... 3.0ghz Intel Processor (not duo) 1gb RAM ATI X850 Vid card. 160GB Hard drive, mostly for photos and EVE. Windows XP I can only run classic graphics on this system. I'm thinking about buying a GeForce 8500 GT for $150USD. I'm having difficulty gaining up the courage though, because I bought the X850 3 years ago for Battlefield 2 for $600USD and its not easy for me to believe that a $150 GeForce with Shader 4.0 and DX10 support will actually perform faster than my X850. That, and it says the GeForce is meant to be used on Vista, which my computer isn't setup for. My question is will I have any issues running this card on XP? Will my performance actually decline perhaps? I really appreciate you're responses. Thanks so much for helping me! =D I suspect it's the CPU holding you back and/or the RAM. I have an AMDx2 64 4000 with 4GB of DDR2x800 RAM and an NVidia 7900GS. It runs the premium client just fine. The only time framerate drops below 50 is on those environmental clouds. -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
RiotRick Black-Sun Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.01.14 08:54:00 - [42] Originally by: Zarcan I'm thinking about buying a GeForce 8500 GT for $150USD. How come you have to pay $150 for a 8500GT. I recently bought a 8600GT 512MB for EUR 99,- (about $135). With this card I can run premium graphics fine @ 1440x900, 2xAA, no HDR, no shadows. Enabling HDR seems to cut the framerate in half, so that's a no-go for me.
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.14 23:53:00 - [43] Originally by: RiotRick Originally by: Zarcan I'm thinking about buying a GeForce 8500 GT for $150USD. How come you have to pay $150 for a 8500GT. I recently bought a 8600GT 512MB for EUR 99,- (about $135). With this card I can run premium graphics fine @ 1440x900, 2xAA, no HDR, no shadows. Enabling HDR seems to cut the framerate in half, so that's a no-go for me. A..................G.................P --------------------------------- Oh noes!
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2008.01.14 23:57:00 - [44] In my experience AGP just doesn't cut it, period. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.01.15 00:05:00 - [45] Originally by: Frug In my experience AGP just doesn't cut it, period. actually in terms of data transferring, AGP 8x = PCI-e 8x think that where PCI-e excels more is the latency stuff due to being basically a very high speed pci version and increased power, while AGP doesn't support that much voltage and operated through a miniport method or smth. but in terms of raw data transfer speed, if there was an AGP 16x, it would be equivalent to PCI-e 16x --- planetary interaction idea!
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.15 00:14:00 - [46] Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 14/01/2008 00:11:15 I have a 8500GT (512 MB), built a new system for my girlfriend with a 7300GT (256 MB), and even if her CPU is at 2.2 (mine is at a puny 1.6, same family, same everything), everything else that might matter is almost identical too (even the difference in price was minimal, however I bought mine about 3 months ago, hers last week), yet her system gets roughly DOUBLE the FPS in EVE premium. Yes, DOUBLE (mine, around 40 usually, hers, around 80 usually). I wouldn't believe it myself at first either. Get a 7300GT. It's barely 60-70$. And will almost certainly outperform the 150$ 8500GT in practice, even if "on paper" it definetely shouldn't. And anyway, it would run DX10 stuff crappy (and you'd have to get Vista in the first place, the horror), so it's not a good choice IMHO. The 7300 GT is what I have. I can confirm it's a good card.
Metaller Ocean Dynamics Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.15 07:01:00 - [47] im running a 3 year old intel 3Ghz too and have a 7600GT in it for 1 year and 1GB ram too. IF youre only running one account then this system will run fine, but it gets into trouble when running 2 accounts at same time. Then fps drops to like 15 to 25. And if your are alone at a well fitted pos fps drops also to like 20 when running 1 account. But in my opinion CPU is more the problem there than the graphic card. So if your not going to buy a new cpu a 7600GT will do in my opinion.
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.15 10:09:00 - [48] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Frug In my experience AGP just doesn't cut it, period. actually in terms of data transferring, AGP 8x = PCI-e 8x think that where PCI-e excels more is the latency stuff due to being basically a very high speed pci version and increased power, while AGP doesn't support that much voltage and operated through a miniport method or smth. but in terms of raw data transfer speed, if there was an AGP 16x, it would be equivalent to PCI-e 16x not quite, AGP can only transfere in one direction so PCI express 8x is bi-directional AGP 8x bandwidth. Also it can deliver more power to cards along with the latency benefits you mentioned and better access to the memory. --------------------------------- Oh noes!
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.01.15 12:25:00 - [49] Originally by: Arana Tellen Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Frug In my experience AGP just doesn't cut it, period. actually in terms of data transferring, AGP 8x = PCI-e 8x think that where PCI-e excels more is the latency stuff due to being basically a very high speed pci version and increased power, while AGP doesn't support that much voltage and operated through a miniport method or smth. but in terms of raw data transfer speed, if there was an AGP 16x, it would be equivalent to PCI-e 16x not quite, AGP can only transfere in one direction so PCI express 8x is bi-directional AGP 8x bandwidth. Also it can deliver more power to cards along with the latency benefits you mentioned and better access to the memory. in terms of transfering data in one direction however, it's the same as pci-e tho. but yes, you're right in the rest. --- planetary interaction idea!
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.15 17:58:00 - [50] Edited by: Arana Tellen on 15/01/2008 17:59:11 Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Arana Tellen Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Frug In my experience AGP just doesn't cut it, period. actually in terms of data transferring, AGP 8x = PCI-e 8x think that where PCI-e excels more is the latency stuff due to being basically a very high speed pci version and increased power, while AGP doesn't support that much voltage and operated through a miniport method or smth. but in terms of raw data transfer speed, if there was an AGP 16x, it would be equivalent to PCI-e 16x not quite, AGP can only transfere in one direction so PCI express 8x is bi-directional AGP 8x bandwidth. Also it can deliver more power to cards along with the latency benefits you mentioned and better access to the memory. in terms of transfering data in one direction however, it's the same as pci-e tho. but yes, you're right in the rest. As a bus involving high speed memory writes/reads being bi-directional is a HUGE improvement. Usually switching a one way bus takes a long time (eg An AMD Phenom stores up writes untill a critical mass and then bursts them all at once). --------------------------------- Oh noes!

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