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Algorithmic
Amarr
Metalworks
THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2008.01.13 22:12:00 -
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3 - To many issues to sort out once you actually buy your ship to get it working effectively.
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Zainy
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Posted - 2008.01.13 22:54:00 -
[32]
2
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Cpt Constantinus
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.01.13 23:08:00 -
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3.
Those are the ships which realy need some help
- Maller and Omen need some serious help ( more cpu/grid for both of em )and the Augoror...well, its a flying cap injector...perhaps for new cruiser pilots which want to help their Abaddon buddies?
- Prophecy is a bit uninspired, but not realy worse than the Ferox/Cyclone. I think all of em need some kind of small boost.
- Zealot is a relativly good ship and i enjoy flying it but it needs a small dronebay for at least 5 small drones or a 5. turret ( + grid, cpu and cap for it, the dronebay is prolly easier to balance )
- Apocalypse, the ship is currently best used as fleetsniper or with obscure neut setups which is a bit weak
imo.
- Pilgrim, its e-war is probably the worst and it needs to get close which is, together with its low dps and weak tank, suboptimal.
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Ione Hunt
0utbreak
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Posted - 2008.01.13 23:12:00 -
[34]
 Originally by: Orgos Khenn
In before Jonny JoJo.
JoJo's in COAD telling the nice people there how much Amarr ships suck 
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McDonALTs
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Posted - 2008.01.13 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: Ione Hunt
Originally by: Orgos Khenn
In before Jonny JoJo.
JoJo's in COAD telling the nice people there how much Amarr ships suck
I see he changed his sigs now.
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.01.13 23:46:00 -
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3
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Merii Kha'sen
Amarr
Metal Machine
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Posted - 2008.01.14 00:26:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Niffetin
4 pure sex
Pretty much.
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Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation
Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.01.14 02:37:00 -
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Originally by: "Shevar"
A bunch of biased points based.
16 points for Minmatar
14.5 points for caldari
8 points for gallente
7.5 points amarr
Much more like:
Frigates: Rifter, Punisher (1.5, 1.5)
Destroyers: Thrasher, Catalyst (2, 1)
Cruisers: Thorax, Vexor, Rupture (1, 1, 1)
Tier 1 BC: Brutix, Cyclone (2, 1)
Tier 2 BC: Drake, Hurricane (2, 1)
Battleship: Raven, Megathron (1.5, 1.5)
AF: Ishkur, Jaguar (1.5, 1.5)
HACs: Ishtar, Sacrilege (1.5, 1.5)
Field Command: Astarte, Sleipnir (1.5, 1.5)
Logistics: Guardian, Basilisk (2, 1)
Fleet Command: Damnation, Vulture (2, 1)
Stealth Bomber: Manticore, Purifier (2, 1)
Covops: Cheetah, Buzzard (1.5, 1.5)
EAS: Hyena, Sentinel (1.5, 1.5)
Combat Recon: Curse, Rook (1.5, 1.5)
Force Recon: Falcon, Rapier (2, 1)
Interceptors: Crow, Malediction (2, 1)
Interdictors: Sabre, Heretic (2, 1)
HIC: Onyx, Devoter (2, 1)
Marauder: Golem, Paladin (1.5, 1.5)
Dreadnoughts: Revelation, Moros (2, 1)
Carrier: Thanatos, Archon (2, 1)
Amarr: 18.5
Caldari: 17
Minmatar: 12.5
Gallente: 12
My vote, however, is 3. They're "average" - good at some things, and truly stupendously horrible at others. (Of course, all lists of this nature are ridiculously biased and stupid, but I thought I'd offer one of many corrections to yours).
-Liang
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Originally by: "QProQ"
When they said to put 'stabs on your 'cane, they meant GYROSTABS!
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.01.14 03:49:00 -
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3
although a few ships could use some love, and we could use a nice sniper battleship, fitting mods + cap rigs + cap power relays = no fun
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Insidi Us
Amarr
Suicidal Mercenaries
Pure.
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Posted - 2008.01.14 05:36:00 -
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I'd say 3. Apoc needs a role change, beams cost too much to fit, and the recons need a NOS range bonus (maybe split 50/50 range/amount). Other than that I find Amarr to be pretty slick, and look the best by far. I took out my Curse, flew it around for a bit, then took out my Rapier...my gawd you never realize how much looks count when you follow it up with something Minmatar.
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Si Delane
Sector 7
Visions of Warfare
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Posted - 2008.01.14 06:04:00 -
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3
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Weeka
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2008.01.14 06:20:00 -
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Giving the absolution the 4th med slot would make all the difference to me ^.^
So 3
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Cult of Rawr
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Posted - 2008.01.14 06:36:00 -
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1
some very good ships imo, some not so great ones too. a very powerful race in the right hands.
in before JoJo
and Lyria too
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Dark-Rising
The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.01.14 07:42:00 -
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Originally by: Weeka
Giving the absolution the 4th med slot would make all the difference to me ^.^
So 3
QFT. Give my 4th abso mid plx.
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Shevar
Minmatar
A.W.M
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2008.01.14 09:08:00 -
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Edited by: Shevar on 14/01/2008 09:09:17
Originally by: Liang Nuren
HACs: Ishtar, Sacrilege (1.5, 1.5)
Combat Recon: Curse, Rook (1.5, 1.5)
HIC: Onyx, Devoter (2, 1)
-Liang
I think you forgot about the vagabond, huginn and broadsword?
The other changes are more subjected to personal preference, but quite frankly those listed above are just silly.
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burek
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.01.14 09:15:00 -
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I wish people would not post "best ships" lists lol. Best for what? Best in whose hands? Best in a blob? Best solo? Best for mining? Best for whatever....
just don't
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Deathnail
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Posted - 2008.01.14 09:35:00 -
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Average(ish)
List guy . . .a little negative bias but you are right to break things down.
Amarr has great:
HAC: Sac is one of the best atm. SO versatile and great damage beyond web range (unlike vaga).
BS: 2 good battleships for sure. Raven may be best atm in that it excells at PvP and ratting/missions. Gallente have 3 good battleships in that if you have ever seen what a nos/neut post trinity DOmi can do you will not doubt all 3 gallente BS are great.
So Amarr is very competitive in BS area if arguably number 2 or 3.
Cruisers: Maller and Arbi are good.
Frigates: yah they work fine
Interceptor: I think Malediction/crusader are 2 of the best at the moment.
COmmand: Damnation = damn good.
Recon: ok feeling a bit gimped here but a curse in gang is still the thing I fear the most when flying my mini huggin character. Pilgrim: there;s a reson they are cheap now lol.
Carrier: Archon is great.
BC: Harbinger is good; prophecy is . . meh. But I would take a drake or a even a post Trin Myrm over these.
Biggest issue is cap use of course and fitting on some ships.
A little cap love on the laser boats and some sort of oomph to the pilgrim are still called for.
Call me crazy but the game feels relatively balanced for me atm. I do think Caldari have the "total win" overall atm only because in each category I find a particularly appealing ship.
BS - Raven - (supra)
BC- Drake - arguably the best BC?
Recon - ECM anyone? works great
Command - maybe not dishing out a ton of damage but boy can they take hits.
etc.
ANd frankly even though they feel overall the best, I am just not into calling for any nerfs . . .hate whining lol.
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kessah
Blood Corsair's
Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.01.14 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Pelleon
1
Make the Apoc useful, that's my only concern.
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Spaced Skunk
9omH
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Posted - 2008.01.14 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: Insidi Us
I'd say 3. Apoc needs a role change, beams cost too much to fit, and the recons need a NOS range bonus (maybe split 50/50 range/amount). Other than that I find Amarr to be pretty slick, and look the best by far. I took out my Curse, flew it around for a bit, then took out my Rapier...my gawd you never realize how much looks count when you follow it up with something Minmatar.
The Curse has a NOS/neut range bonus, are you on about the Pilgrim?
To Spawny, a great guy, a great laugh. Rest in peace buddy.
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Jonny MoJo
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.01.14 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: Spaced Skunk
Originally by: Insidi Us
I'd say 3. Apoc needs a role change, beams cost too much to fit, and the recons need a NOS range bonus (maybe split 50/50 range/amount). Other than that I find Amarr to be pretty slick, and look the best by far. I took out my Curse, flew it around for a bit, then took out my Rapier...my gawd you never realize how much looks count when you follow it up with something Minmatar.
The Curse has a NOS/neut range bonus, are you on about the Pilgrim?
Pilgrim is an excellent hauler. It blockades better than blockade runner. I hope CCP move pilgrim to a class of its own
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Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2008.01.14 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: Jonny MoJo
Pilgrim is an excellent hauler. It blockades better than blockade runner. I hope CCP move pilgrim to a class of its own
Little Jonny JoJo has an alt ;)
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Wardeneo
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.01.14 10:26:00 -
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some people forgot interceptors :)... crusader can kill claw easy (yes it depends on pilot and setup) and malidiction is the new crow imho, and as to the comments on the pilgrim i think it needs the same range bonus's as the curse because ships like the rapier, falcon and arazu still have long web/scram/jamming range HOWEVER the pilgrim is still a good ship
as to amarr i give em 3 - there average just like every other race, they have some good ships and some bad 1s, some need boosting (pilgrim) some dont - JUST liek every other race, and all of this is personal preference and thus some ppl that fly certain ships are "biased" as it were...
well thats my 2 cents
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adriaans
Amarr
Advanced Capital Ship Designs
Hephaestus Rising
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Posted - 2008.01.14 10:34:00 -
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Originally by: Twilight Mourning
I think some of them could use a little love, like everything below BCs. Harbinger and the BS are great though.
3
i support this.
-sig-
Support the introduction of Blaze M crystals for Amarr! (Or make Amarr the only race able to deal EM damage from turrets).
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Olavane Riftsnake
Clan Shadow Wolf
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.14 11:00:00 -
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3
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wierchas noobhunter
Cosmic Fusion
When Fat Kids Attack
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Posted - 2008.01.14 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Shevar
Edited by: Shevar on 13/01/2008 20:40:05
Amarr are the worst race for the following reason:
Every ship class which has a distinct role is listed below and what I consider the best 2 in their ship lines mostly in terms of PvP;
Best 2 assault frigates Ishkur - Jaguar (2 points gallente 1 point minmatar)
Best 2 battlecruisers hurricane - drake (2 points minmatar 1 point caldari)
Best 2 battleships, depends on role so no comment
Best 2 black ops ? No clue, I would assume the sin is best...
Best 2 carriers Thanatos - Archon (2 points gallente 1 point amarr)
Best 2 command ships damnation - Sleipnir (2 points amarr 1 point minmatar)
Best 2 covert ops Buzzard - Cheetah (2 points caldari 1 point minmatar)
Best 2 stealthbombers all equally boring
Best 2 cruisers, as battleships to many different uses for cruisers
Best 2 destroyers, Trashers - Cormorant (2 points minmatar 1 point caldari)
Best 2 dreadnoughts Moros - Phoenix/revalation (2 points gallente 1/2 point caldari/amarr)
Best 2 EAS Cheetah - Keres (2 points minmatar 1 point gallente)
Best 2 frigates Rifter - Kestrel (2 points minmatar 1 point caldari)
Best 2 HAC's Vagabond - Ishtar/Sacrelege (2 points minmatar 1/2 point gallente/amarr)
Best 2 HIC's Broadsword - Onyx (2 points minmatar 1 point caldari)
Best 2 interceptors Crow - ares/malediction (2 points caldari 1/2 point gallente/amarr)
Best 2 Interdictors sabre - flycatcher (2 points minmatar 1 point caldari)
Best 2 Logistic cruisers guardian - basilisk (2 points amarr 1 point caldari)
Best 2 marauders Golem - Paladin (2 points caldari 1 point amarr)
Best 2 recons rook - huginn (2 points caldari 1 point minmatar)
16 points for Minmatar
14.5 points for caldari
8 points for gallente
7.5 points amarr
Basically if gallente wasn't hit quite hard with the nerf bat (myrm/recons) they would be significantly ahead in the list above.
Also this doesn't take into account the far better t1 cruiser/battleship lineup gallente has compared to amarr. But quite frankly I can't be arsed to make a decent list with points given for certain roles to demonstrate that.
Now have fun flaming my list [IMAGE REMOVED] .
so u realy dont have a clue about ships right ? [IMAGE REMOVED] [IMAGE REMOVED]
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Shevar
Minmatar
A.W.M
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2008.01.14 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: wierchas noobhunter
so u realy dont have a clue about ships right ? 
NO U!!!!oneone!eleven
And looking at your posting history that is probably the only thing that you do understand, and probably around as constructive as your average post.
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