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Zorbaen	Posted - 2008.01.13 17:15:00 - [1] Ok I have now gotten really fed up with this damn system. CCP you have got to start looking into a way to fix this. The way to fight now is to outblob the other one so they dont dare to attack due to lag. Is there ways to go against this or not? obviosly this is the biggest problem in EvE atm, Personally I would recommend that we do some SERIOUSE graphics change when you enter a system with loads of ppl and the system is getting to be a LAG fest. Not sure at all how to do it, but I could see a chanse of a "black" screen, get the environment to "dissapear" take all the graphics of your ship and other ships. Start limiting the data that is creating lag. Really to create more or less a damn <DOS> program if that is what is needed. Atm the game is NOT playable when these big fights are going on. What we are doing atm are attacking a BOB system and when ever the POSs comes out of reinforced there is LAG that you cant dream of, making the game unplayable. I can personally take a complete graphics kill for situations for this or is there any other way to fix this? Best regards Zorbaen
Zephyr Rengate Racketeers Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.01.13 17:18:00 - [2]
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.13 17:26:00 - [3] While it is true that the server struggles with 600+ in system, it's always funny when the blob'ers complain over lag CCP has tried to do something about lag since EVE started. It's not going to get better than it is now (barring some complete technical breakthrough on CCP's part) except gradual increases as CPU speed increases. The problem is that CPU usage is exponential with number of players in the fight. That means that even a relative large increase in server capabilities will only allow a relative small number of extra players in battle without going lag-out again. Thus we're stuck with what we have now (barring that technological breakthrough). My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
LADY ore	Posted - 2008.01.13 17:38:00 - [4] yeah do something about it ffs, i mean i don't care if you give us only overview, but this is like 3rd day in a row i don't see a **** in whole fleet fight.
Twin blade Minmatar The Triangle Exa Nation	Posted - 2008.01.13 17:39:00 - [5] Edited by: Twin blade on 13/01/2008 17:40:20 Why do people whine about this when its us making the problem in the first place ccp make's it ok for 300to fight simi laggy and then players will only take double that and want lag free fight's. If they was to make it look like pong and able to cope with 1000 player's at once the people would only overload it by trying to get 2000+. Death is great rember where all dying to get there.
LADY ore	Posted - 2008.01.13 17:40:00 - [6] Originally by: Twin blade Why do people whine about this when its us making the problem in the first place ccp make's it ok for 300to fight simi laggy and then players will only take double that and want lag free fight's. THERE'S LAG WITH 10v10!!!
Twin blade Minmatar The Triangle Exa Nation	Posted - 2008.01.13 17:41:00 - [7] Originally by: LADY ore Originally by: Twin blade Why do people whine about this when its us making the problem in the first place ccp make's it ok for 300to fight simi laggy and then players will only take double that and want lag free fight's. THERE'S LAG WITH 10v10!!! I know but its not insane i can't play lag like when you want to load more than what the systerm was ment to take. Death is great rember where all dying to get there.
Maraude Fury Minmatar Shadow Of The Light	Posted - 2008.01.13 17:44:00 - [8] CCP IS doing something about it. They are supposedly working on a whole new server, which from what they've said, will allow for true distributed computeing on the server end. So no more one node per system max. They'll be able to on the fly put as many nodes to work on a given system as they need. this is supposed to be comeing in 2008, so look for it an hour before midnight on new years eve 2008... Maraude Fury CEO: Shadow Of The Light .SOL. ]
LADY ore	Posted - 2008.01.13 17:45:00 - [9] Originally by: Twin blade Originally by: LADY ore Originally by: Twin blade Why do people whine about this when its us making the problem in the first place ccp make's it ok for 300to fight simi laggy and then players will only take double that and want lag free fight's. THERE'S LAG WITH 10v10!!! I know but its not insane i can't play lag like when you want to load more than what the systerm was ment to take. well I don't know ccp should fix server code asap and upgrade servers, i mean they want more players to play this game, there will be more and more big battles, if you like it or not.. Plus how cool would it be 500vs500 players in fleet battles OMG! :)
GateScout	Posted - 2008.01.13 17:45:00 - [10] The lag caused by large numbers of people in (or more specifically an EVE node), is NOT a 'graphics' issue. If EVE reverted to the most basic form of graphics (think: asteroids 1980), you would still have lag. Lag in these large fights is due to the computational complexity of passing information to all of the other people in the system and calculating various interaction items (i.e. weapon fire, hit percentage, collisions, etc.). It's a non-trivial problem. CCP may be able to partially brute force it by adding more hardware, but that will only go so far.
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.13 17:51:00 - [11] Originally by: Maraude Fury CCP IS doing something about it. They are supposedly working on a whole new server, which from what they've said, will allow for true distributed computeing on the server end. So no more one node per system max. They'll be able to on the fly put as many nodes to work on a given system as they need. this is supposed to be comeing in 2008, so look for it an hour before midnight on new years eve 2008... The one thing about this though is that we don't only need more than one node per system... We need more than one node per GRID! No information has (afaik) come from CCP as to the specifics on that.... If it's only multiple nodes per system, then it'll help Jita and mission systems where people are spread out, but not large-scale PvP. If it IS per node (and I have my doubts about how thats even technically possible), EVE will become even more epic. My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:11:00 - [12] Originally by: LADY ore well I don't know ccp should fix server code asap and upgrade servers, i mean they want more players to play this game, there will be more and more big battles, if you like it or not.. Plus how cool would it be 500vs500 players in fleet battles OMG! :) So what should they upgrade them TO, exactly? Please provide hardware available to civilians that CCP could use for this "upgrade." ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:12:00 - [13] Edited by: Sokratesz on 13/01/2008 18:12:45 Recently the lag has been getting crazy. Smaller engagements that were fine previously now yields omgwtf amounts of aggravation. 'Siege Launcher II is already useMissiles' 'Please wait while we attempt to turn on that module' Originally by: ISD Cortes You're at liberty to use the rolling sig you had, as long as there's no chimeras covering the nether regions of voluptuous females.
Drachenlord Amarr Port Royal Independent Kontractors Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:24:00 - [14] Ya wanna know the funny part? can't log on in Fade because of you bastards either ----- While the Enemies of the Emperor still draw breath there can be no peace
LADY ore	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:27:00 - [15] Edited by: LADY ore on 13/01/2008 18:28:47 Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: LADY ore well I don't know ccp should fix server code asap and upgrade servers, i mean they want more players to play this game, there will be more and more big battles, if you like it or not.. Plus how cool would it be 500vs500 players in fleet battles OMG! :) So what should they upgrade them TO, exactly? Please provide hardware available to civilians that CCP could use for this "upgrade." first format c:, and throw that damn windows server away? Then buy some super comp and build unix server, for start? then make server somehow more dynamic? i mean they have enough money that if they don't know how to do it, they can pay someone to do it for them.
Cadela Fria Amarr Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:30:00 - [16] Originally by: LADY ore Edited by: LADY ore on 13/01/2008 18:28:47 Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: LADY ore well I don't know ccp should fix server code asap and upgrade servers, i mean they want more players to play this game, there will be more and more big battles, if you like it or not.. Plus how cool would it be 500vs500 players in fleet battles OMG! :) So what should they upgrade them TO, exactly? Please provide hardware available to civilians that CCP could use for this "upgrade." first format c:, and throw that damn windows server away? Then buy some super comp and build unix server, for start? then make server somehow more dynamic? i mean they have enough money that if they don't know how to do it, they can pay someone to do it for them. Could you get a little more technical than that please? Why Unix over windows server? What super computer? Hardware details my good man! Price? Performance? etc etc...come come now.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:33:00 - [17] Originally by: LADY ore Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: LADY ore well I don't know ccp should fix server code asap and upgrade servers, i mean they want more players to play this game, there will be more and more big battles, if you like it or not.. Plus how cool would it be 500vs500 players in fleet battles OMG! :) So what should they upgrade them TO, exactly? Please provide hardware available to civilians that CCP could use for this "upgrade." first format c:, and throw that damn windows server away? Then buy some super comp and build unix server, for start? So how would they go about familiarizing themselves with the workings of said unix server? How long would it take for them to hire and train employees who can use it well? Would there be professional-level support for it? How compatible is their server software with it? Does it support a subset of SQL designed to optimize the database queries common in EVE? You say it like it's as simple as plugging in a mouse. Realistically, if CCP were to change their entire server architecture it would take close to a year. Interestingly enough, they're working with IBM to build an entire new supercomputer just for EVE and have been for the past six months. But hey, let's not let facts get in the way of this here argument, amirite? ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2
LADY ore	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:34:00 - [18] Originally by: Cadela Fria Originally by: LADY ore Edited by: LADY ore on 13/01/2008 18:28:47 Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: LADY ore well I don't know ccp should fix server code asap and upgrade servers, i mean they want more players to play this game, there will be more and more big battles, if you like it or not.. Plus how cool would it be 500vs500 players in fleet battles OMG! :) So what should they upgrade them TO, exactly? Please provide hardware available to civilians that CCP could use for this "upgrade." first format c:, and throw that damn windows server away? Then buy some super comp and build unix server, for start? then make server somehow more dynamic? i mean they have enough money that if they don't know how to do it, they can pay someone to do it for them. Could you get a little more technical than that please? Why Unix over windows server? What super computer? Hardware details my good man! Price? Performance? etc etc...come come now. Why should we care for that? They should know, they get paid to keep servers up and playable. But in last 3 years they didn't improve anything with lag and gameplay. And that's my last post regarding anything, if you don't agree that's your problem.
Cadela Fria Amarr Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:38:00 - [19] Edited by: Cadela Fria on 13/01/2008 18:38:56 Originally by: LADY ore Originally by: Cadela Fria Originally by: LADY ore Edited by: LADY ore on 13/01/2008 18:28:47 Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: LADY ore well I don't know ccp should fix server code asap and upgrade servers, i mean they want more players to play this game, there will be more and more big battles, if you like it or not.. Plus how cool would it be 500vs500 players in fleet battles OMG! :) So what should they upgrade them TO, exactly? Please provide hardware available to civilians that CCP could use for this "upgrade." first format c:, and throw that damn windows server away? Then buy some super comp and build unix server, for start? then make server somehow more dynamic? i mean they have enough money that if they don't know how to do it, they can pay someone to do it for them. Could you get a little more technical than that please? Why Unix over windows server? What super computer? Hardware details my good man! Price? Performance? etc etc...come come now. Why should we care for that? They should know, they get paid to keep servers up and playable. But in last 3 years they didn't improve anything with lag and gameplay. And that's my last post regarding anything, if you don't agree that's your problem. In other words you don't have a single clue about what you're saying, and such you're just spewing ignorant nonsense out your "fecal matter discharge hole".
Mavrix Able Black Avatar Hexad	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:40:00 - [20] Ignorance is bliss. -NWS/Mav
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:45:00 - [21] Originally by: LADY ore Why should we care for that? They should know, they get paid to keep servers up and playable. But in last 3 years they didn't improve anything with lag and gameplay. And that's my last post regarding anything, if you don't agree that's your problem. In other words, you've backed yourself into a logical corner and are going to withdraw from the debate to save face. Also, your statement is somewhat akin to saying "why should we care about the laws of physics? I just want my flying cars now! We pay car manufacturers for a fun drive without traffic jams, and they obviously haven't improved anything." ---------------- Tarminic - 31 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.78.2
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:47:00 - [22] Edited by: Tzrailasa on 13/01/2008 18:47:23 Originally by: Cadela Fria Originally by: LADY ore Originally by: Cadela Fria Originally by: LADY ore first format c:, and throw that damn windows server away? Then buy some super comp and build unix server, for start? then make server somehow more dynamic? i mean they have enough money that if they don't know how to do it, they can pay someone to do it for them. Could you get a little more technical than that please? Why Unix over windows server? What super computer? Hardware details my good man! Price? Performance? etc etc...come come now. Why should we care for that? They should know, they get paid to keep servers up and playable. But in last 3 years they didn't improve anything with lag and gameplay. And that's my last post regarding anything, if you don't agree that's your problem. In other words you don't have a single clue about what you're saying, and such you're just spewing ignorant nonsense out your "fecal matter discharge hole". Sums up LADY's arguments pretty well. In addition, the "This is my last post.." remark is usually a sign that the poster realises he's made an beep of himself. While I don't like Microsoft products at all either, the DB is pretty immaterial to this problem. Most data will be cached on the node, and it's the nodes performance that's lagging things out. My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Flamewave Contempt.	Posted - 2008.01.13 18:58:00 - [23] Originally by: LADY ore Edited by: LADY ore on 13/01/2008 18:28:47 first format c:, and throw that damn windows server away? Then buy some super comp and build unix server, for start? then make server somehow more dynamic? i mean they have enough money that if they don't know how to do it, they can pay someone to do it for them. You heard it here first, folks. Our lag issues are solved. "Super comp" and the power of "somehow". __________
Cailais Amarr VITOC	Posted - 2008.01.13 19:02:00 - [24] The OP could quit - then it would only be 599 in local, a small step I know: but its a start! C. Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Dehumanisation - griefers are cool and if you are not a griefer, you do not belong here.
speedek Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.13 19:02:00 - [25] Put hamsters on drugs!
tiewan	Posted - 2008.01.13 19:08:00 - [26] Originally by: LADY ore Why should we care for that? They should know, they get paid to keep servers up and playable. But in last 3 years they didn't improve anything with lag and gameplay. And that's my last post regarding anything, if you don't agree that's your problem. I've been playing for 2 years and the lag has improved A LOT. so you don't know what you are talking about.
Tido Maliyu Condottieri Industries The Economy	Posted - 2008.01.13 19:11:00 - [27] Originally by: Flamewave Originally by: LADY ore Edited by: LADY ore on 13/01/2008 18:28:47 first format c:, and throw that damn windows server away? Then buy some super comp and build unix server, for start? then make server somehow more dynamic? i mean they have enough money that if they don't know how to do it, they can pay someone to do it for them. You heard it here first, folks. Our lag issues are solved. "Super comp" and the power of "somehow". Compelling argument tbh... could make me drink bleach like that!
Dark Shikari Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.13 19:17:00 - [28] We just had a massive, massive bit of both desync and repeated client reloads in TPAR-G... everyone was basically forced to log in and out to clear out the lag, and there were hardly 100 people in local!
Tido Maliyu Condottieri Industries The Economy	Posted - 2008.01.13 19:17:00 - [29] So uhm, yea gais, i'm logging into jita since recently...
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.13 19:57:00 - [30] Lag will kill this game in its current form. Originally by: ISD Cortes You're at liberty to use the rolling sig you had, as long as there's no chimeras covering the nether regions of voluptuous females.

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